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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 10:39:38 AM   
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I read a story on ESPN where more than one team has inquired about trading for KOC. KOC addressed this and said he wanted to stay here.



Jay Glazer broke that story in the pregame. Whether or not we think KOC is upper echelon or not, he's very highly regarding in the league (nationally) already.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 10:41:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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It was mentioned and I was screaming all night long about it at my poor tv. Roll him out in the RZ ops. The dude is like 6-5 and 230lbs. If nothing else he can put his head down and make something happen. Continually dropping him back and leaving him as a sitting duck was dumb.


It wouldn't have helped though....he was just so off.



I actually think it could have. Dude is pretty elusive for his size. At least it gave him a run/pass option.

Exactly. We almost never rolled him out or called a bootleg. Was there ever a screen play called?


Yes....Jones swing passes were effective even.....no slants or screens. The swing and screen passes to Jones seem the most effective but he got hurt....

Again that isn't Sam's wheelhouse but bootlegs are effective when they expect you to go deep (which we couldn't do). Slants is one thing I didn't see which they haven't done much of.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 10:55:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

LOL. Now, the right side of my brain wants to chime in.


IF... SD isn't so God awful in the first half, and we get a few TD's when we should have, that's a totally different game.

You guys make it sound like scoring a TD was an easy task. The fourth down pass missed to Jefferson in the corner of the end zone was a rushed throw because he had someone (safety, I think) bearing down on him. The one in the back of the end zone he had to throw against his body running left, with guys bearing down on him. Neither of those are easy throws.

The two bad throws were the two misses to Hockenson, one on third-and-18 and the other on an out pattern on third and long. Those two throws were chains movers and would have kept the Detroit defense on the field.

One thing Detroit did was take away running lanes for Darnold. He's been very good at escaping rushes and picking up first downs with his legs. Those lanes were not there on Sunday. They were disciplined and kept him contained, forcing our woeful offensive line to try and protect. Given our offensive coordinator never made any adjustments and continued to run 25-30-yard patterns, we had little success.

It was a terrible job from O'Connell. Darnold was not put in a position to succeed. The Vikings were gashing the Lions with the run. O'Connell would get across midfield and go away from it. Winning in the playoffs (or big games) has to be ugly at times. Not everything is a beauty contest.

I remember watching Belichick and the Patriots run the ball close to 15 straight times in one game because the defense wasn't stopping it. That was with Tom Brady and Randy Moss on the field. Sometimes you have to take what the defense gives you and be happy with it. You think the Chiefs were disappointed in winning with Isaiah Pacheco last season?

If your offensive line can't protect and you are averaging 4-5 yards-per-carry, why would you put your offense in a position to get your quarterback sacked and put yourself in third and long every possession? And then, even worse, continue to do it over and over with no recognition that it isn't working.

You’re such a Darnold apologist.

Everybody and their mother agrees KOC called a poor game and refused to adapt to the def scheme. We all agree SD had constant people in his face, many running free.

We should all agree that they left no room for Sam to to escape forward, which he’s good at when its there. However, his molasses spin move out the back window to evade rushers, turning his back and then running in a gigantic crop circle … those things are visible from outer space. After the third or fourth time, I would have had our OL trip him before he started, take the initial sack with minimal loss of yards and less embarrassment.

All that and more … but to deny he was completely flustered, was holding the ball too long / over-throwing and-or-had bad ball placement / was not using his underneath options … is just that, denial. No play, no matter how slow developing has everybody running a slow developing route. No pass play has only one or two options.

Apparently you missed the posts within hours after the game where I said he didn't play well.

And BTW, you aren't an apologist when you are saying the obvious.

Saying Sam didn't play well is like saying the Titanic sank. That's not really putting your opinion out there.

Putting most of the iceberg's blame on the dinner menu or the housekeeping service makes you an apologist.

Sam should be blamed for his part and KOC for his. Both deserve a lion's share of the blame. (and Det a ton of credit)

It's true, I don't read all your posts. But I have read several since the Lions game ... and over the course of the season.

What is obvious is that JJM has become your new pariah (replacing Cousins) ... and that you favor Darnold ... although IMO its not beneath you to simply use Sam as a stick to poke at the team and its fans over possible heir apparent JJM.

What's really obvious is that it doesn't matter either way.

< Message edited by Tom Sykes -- 1/8/2025 11:03:10 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 11:06:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

It was mentioned and I was screaming all night long about it at my poor tv. Roll him out in the RZ ops. The dude is like 6-5 and 230lbs. If nothing else he can put his head down and make something happen. Continually dropping him back and leaving him as a sitting duck was dumb.


It wouldn't have helped though....he was just so off.



I actually think it could have. Dude is pretty elusive for his size. At least it gave him a run/pass option.


If he was 6-5 he might be considered elusive, but he's more like 6-3. He's done well with his frenzied, haphazard, Keystone Cops escape routine, but at other times he lacks awareness and takes unnecessary sacks.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 11:15:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

LOL. Now, the right side of my brain wants to chime in.


IF... SD isn't so God awful in the first half, and we get a few TD's when we should have, that's a totally different game.

You guys make it sound like scoring a TD was an easy task. The fourth down pass missed to Jefferson in the corner of the end zone was a rushed throw because he had someone (safety, I think) bearing down on him. The one in the back of the end zone he had to throw against his body running left, with guys bearing down on him. Neither of those are easy throws.

The two bad throws were the two misses to Hockenson, one on third-and-18 and the other on an out pattern on third and long. Those two throws were chains movers and would have kept the Detroit defense on the field.

One thing Detroit did was take away running lanes for Darnold. He's been very good at escaping rushes and picking up first downs with his legs. Those lanes were not there on Sunday. They were disciplined and kept him contained, forcing our woeful offensive line to try and protect. Given our offensive coordinator never made any adjustments and continued to run 25-30-yard patterns, we had little success.

It was a terrible job from O'Connell. Darnold was not put in a position to succeed. The Vikings were gashing the Lions with the run. O'Connell would get across midfield and go away from it. Winning in the playoffs (or big games) has to be ugly at times. Not everything is a beauty contest.

I remember watching Belichick and the Patriots run the ball close to 15 straight times in one game because the defense wasn't stopping it. That was with Tom Brady and Randy Moss on the field. Sometimes you have to take what the defense gives you and be happy with it. You think the Chiefs were disappointed in winning with Isaiah Pacheco last season?

If your offensive line can't protect and you are averaging 4-5 yards-per-carry, why would you put your offense in a position to get your quarterback sacked and put yourself in third and long every possession? And then, even worse, continue to do it over and over with no recognition that it isn't working.

You’re such a Darnold apologist.

Everybody and their mother agrees KOC called a poor game and refused to adapt to the def scheme. We all agree SD had constant people in his face, many running free.

We should all agree that they left no room for Sam to to escape forward, which he’s good at when its there. However, his molasses spin move out the back window to evade rushers, turning his back and then running in a gigantic crop circle … those things are visible from outer space. After the third or fourth time, I would have had our OL trip him before he started, take the initial sack with minimal loss of yards and less embarrassment.

All that and more … but to deny he was completely flustered, was holding the ball too long / over-throwing and-or-had bad ball placement / was not using his underneath options … is just that, denial. No play, no matter how slow developing has everybody running a slow developing route. No pass play has only one or two options.

Apparently you missed the posts within hours after the game where I said he didn't play well.

And BTW, you aren't an apologist when you are saying the obvious.

Saying Sam didn't play well is like saying the Titanic sank. That's not really putting your opinion out there.

Putting most of the iceberg's blame on the dinner menu or the housekeeping service makes you an apologist.

Sam should be blamed for his part and KOC for his. Both deserve a lion's share of the blame. (and Det a ton of credit)

It's true, I don't read all your posts. But I have read several since the Lions game ... and over the course of the season.

What is obvious is that JJM has become your new pariah (replacing Cousins) ... and that you favor Darnold ... although IMO its not beneath you to simply use Sam as a stick to poke at the team and its fans over possible heir apparent JJM.

What's really obvious is that it doesn't matter either way.


Great summary.

Darnold is one of his last bastions of hope from the imagined glory days of the Pac-12 or whatever the hell they were.

< Message edited by Bill Johanesen -- 1/8/2025 11:25:20 AM >
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 11:21:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: timz

I read a story on ESPN where more than one team has inquired about trading for KOC. KOC addressed this and said he wanted to stay here.



Jay Glazer broke that story in the pregame. Whether or not we think KOC is upper echelon or not, he's very highly regarding in the league (nationally) already.


Yeah, this seems kind of bananas to me. Let's remember, they blew a very winnable game vs the Giants at home 2 years ago, couldn't win must win games last year to make the playoffs, and a very good chance they lose to LA this weekend.

I'm not saying KOC is not a very good coach, and can't knock the Darnold turn around and overall W-L record thus far (albeit may not be a ton of high quality wins in that), but that just seems crazy to get that much respect so fast with possible zero playoff wins in 3 years. Could also be argued he's won with serious roster gaps for 3 years now.

A chance to change that this weekend.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 11:28:04 AM   
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Regardless of whether the Vikings keep him or not, Sam is definitely paying for his future paycheck this weekend.

Another dud,, hard to believe an astute GM would risk a huge chunk of cap space on a talented arm, but little to show in playoff wins (sounds like Cousins). With serious questions about what's between the ears.

Use cap space to fill CB, IDL and IOL, roster could be real good next year with JJ + FA spends + draft

We've been complaining about Bradbury and G's for years now! LOL
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 11:35:22 AM   
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If I could sell my dogs feety pics on the internet for what they’re worth and buy the team…

I’d trade O’Connell. Fire Kwesi. Trade Jefferson. Trade Addison. Hire Flores. Rip off the roof. Go D, run, PA with JJM like he’s used to.

Stuff like that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 11:39:46 AM   
Bill Johanesen


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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: timz

I read a story on ESPN where more than one team has inquired about trading for KOC. KOC addressed this and said he wanted to stay here.



Jay Glazer broke that story in the pregame. Whether or not we think KOC is upper echelon or not, he's very highly regarding in the league (nationally) already.


Yeah, this seems kind of bananas to me. Let's remember, they blew a very winnable game vs the Giants at home 2 years ago, couldn't win must win games last year to make the playoffs, and a very good chance they lose to LA this weekend.

I'm not saying KOC is not a very good coach, and can't knock the Darnold turn around and overall W-L record thus far (albeit may not be a ton of high quality wins in that), but that just seems crazy to get that much respect so fast with possible zero playoff wins in 3 years. Could also be argued he's won with serious roster gaps for 3 years now.

A chance to change that this weekend.


The 2022 legend grows, and people will get a lot of unwarranted mileage from it. In a nod to the Titanic analogy, it's loosely like the Seinefld episode 'The Andrea Doria' where some guy trying to get an apartment is getting sympathy by saying he was a survivor of the wreck even though 95% of the passengers survived.

Because of the short season, the NFL needs an adjusted record mechanism. You beat a team starting their backup QB? That's half a win. Josh Allen plays hot potato with the ball in the end zone? .8 win. You got smacked down 31-9? Give yourself 1.5 losses.

13-4? Nope, 9-8 adjusted. And you capped it off with a loss to the, ahem, Giants at home in the playoffs? 7-11 is the new 13-5.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 1:00:02 PM   
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"The NFL has officially issued a warning and fined Green Bay Packers head coach Matt LaFleur $20,000 for his behavior during the recent game against the Minnesota Vikings. The incident occurred after a controversial foul call involving the Vikings, during which LaFleur was heard yelling an expletive-laden remark—”f*** you”—three times at Vikings head coach Kevin O’Connell."
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 3:19:18 PM   
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Watching the local news right now as the fires ravage the LA area. I'll be surprised if the game is played at SoFi on Monday night.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 3:31:40 PM   
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Watching the local news right now as the fires ravage the LA area. I'll be surprised if the game is played at SoFi on Monday night.


Vegas seems most likely if they have to change it. Shorter drive than Glendale, AZ and easier for fans and teams to get accommodations.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 3:51:52 PM   
Jeff Jesser


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Watching the local news right now as the fires ravage the LA area. I'll be surprised if the game is played at SoFi on Monday night.


Vegas seems most likely if they have to change it. Shorter drive than Glendale, AZ and easier for fans and teams to get accommodations.



Yeah, I would agree with that. Snapdragon in SD is too small. Vegas offers the ability for enough hotel accommodations too.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 3:56:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Watching the local news right now as the fires ravage the LA area. I'll be surprised if the game is played at SoFi on Monday night.


Vegas seems most likely if they have to change it. Shorter drive than Glendale, AZ and easier for fans and teams to get accommodations.



Yeah, I would agree with that. Snapdragon in SD is too small. Vegas offers the ability for enough hotel accommodations too.


And only 275 miles from stadium to stadium.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 5:24:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

LOL. Now, the right side of my brain wants to chime in.


IF... SD isn't so God awful in the first half, and we get a few TD's when we should have, that's a totally different game.

You guys make it sound like scoring a TD was an easy task. The fourth down pass missed to Jefferson in the corner of the end zone was a rushed throw because he had someone (safety, I think) bearing down on him. The one in the back of the end zone he had to throw against his body running left, with guys bearing down on him. Neither of those are easy throws.

The two bad throws were the two misses to Hockenson, one on third-and-18 and the other on an out pattern on third and long. Those two throws were chains movers and would have kept the Detroit defense on the field.

One thing Detroit did was take away running lanes for Darnold. He's been very good at escaping rushes and picking up first downs with his legs. Those lanes were not there on Sunday. They were disciplined and kept him contained, forcing our woeful offensive line to try and protect. Given our offensive coordinator never made any adjustments and continued to run 25-30-yard patterns, we had little success.

It was a terrible job from O'Connell. Darnold was not put in a position to succeed. The Vikings were gashing the Lions with the run. O'Connell would get across midfield and go away from it. Winning in the playoffs (or big games) has to be ugly at times. Not everything is a beauty contest.

I remember watching Belichick and the Patriots run the ball close to 15 straight times in one game because the defense wasn't stopping it. That was with Tom Brady and Randy Moss on the field. Sometimes you have to take what the defense gives you and be happy with it. You think the Chiefs were disappointed in winning with Isaiah Pacheco last season?

If your offensive line can't protect and you are averaging 4-5 yards-per-carry, why would you put your offense in a position to get your quarterback sacked and put yourself in third and long every possession? And then, even worse, continue to do it over and over with no recognition that it isn't working.

You’re such a Darnold apologist.

Everybody and their mother agrees KOC called a poor game and refused to adapt to the def scheme. We all agree SD had constant people in his face, many running free.

We should all agree that they left no room for Sam to to escape forward, which he’s good at when its there. However, his molasses spin move out the back window to evade rushers, turning his back and then running in a gigantic crop circle … those things are visible from outer space. After the third or fourth time, I would have had our OL trip him before he started, take the initial sack with minimal loss of yards and less embarrassment.

All that and more … but to deny he was completely flustered, was holding the ball too long / over-throwing and-or-had bad ball placement / was not using his underneath options … is just that, denial. No play, no matter how slow developing has everybody running a slow developing route. No pass play has only one or two options.

Apparently you missed the posts within hours after the game where I said he didn't play well.

And BTW, you aren't an apologist when you are saying the obvious.

Saying Sam didn't play well is like saying the Titanic sank. That's not really putting your opinion out there.

Putting most of the iceberg's blame on the dinner menu or the housekeeping service makes you an apologist.

Sam should be blamed for his part and KOC for his. Both deserve a lion's share of the blame. (and Det a ton of credit)

It's true, I don't read all your posts. But I have read several since the Lions game ... and over the course of the season.

What is obvious is that JJM has become your new pariah (replacing Cousins) ... and that you favor Darnold ... although IMO its not beneath you to simply use Sam as a stick to poke at the team and its fans over possible heir apparent JJM.

What's really obvious is that it doesn't matter either way.

I hope JJ McCarthy wins five Super Bowls. Irregardless, I'm not replacing a guy with 14 wins and the #6 passer rating in the league with a guy that has never completed a pass in the NFL if I don't have to. That would be GM malpractice. At the very least, you franchise tag Darnold and get something for your initial investment in a trade.

The bottom line is, it is in the best interest of the franchise to have Darnold under contract because he is a commodity. I don't see them signing him to a long-term deal, nor do I think they should. A franchise tag is the best of both worlds.

Do I like McCarthy? I thought it was a bad choice when they drafted him. The guy played in a running offense and rarely had to run a two-minute offense or played from behind. IMO, the last five minutes of halves is the most important part of any game.

Giving the keys of the Lamborghini to a kid that has never completed a pass would be stupid. Especially when the current guy just had the second most wins in franchise history.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 5:28:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

It was mentioned and I was screaming all night long about it at my poor tv. Roll him out in the RZ ops. The dude is like 6-5 and 230lbs. If nothing else he can put his head down and make something happen. Continually dropping him back and leaving him as a sitting duck was dumb.


It wouldn't have helped though....he was just so off.



I actually think it could have. Dude is pretty elusive for his size. At least it gave him a run/pass option.


If he was 6-5 he might be considered elusive, but he's more like 6-3. He's done well with his frenzied, haphazard, Keystone Cops escape routine, but at other times he lacks awareness and takes unnecessary sacks.

It's either that or check down on third and 15 for an eight yard gain like our previous quarterback. I'll take the guy trying to win games over the guy padding his completion percentage.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 5:44:54 PM   
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A great QB does a combination of deeper passes and checkdowns.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 6:01:35 PM   
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If the game gets moved to Vegas to lessen LA's home field advantage, then it's pretty obvious God prefers the Vikings win the game.

How many playoff tickets will the Wilf's buy for Viking fans ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 6:05:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

LOL. Now, the right side of my brain wants to chime in.


IF... SD isn't so God awful in the first half, and we get a few TD's when we should have, that's a totally different game.

You guys make it sound like scoring a TD was an easy task. The fourth down pass missed to Jefferson in the corner of the end zone was a rushed throw because he had someone (safety, I think) bearing down on him. The one in the back of the end zone he had to throw against his body running left, with guys bearing down on him. Neither of those are easy throws.

The two bad throws were the two misses to Hockenson, one on third-and-18 and the other on an out pattern on third and long. Those two throws were chains movers and would have kept the Detroit defense on the field.

One thing Detroit did was take away running lanes for Darnold. He's been very good at escaping rushes and picking up first downs with his legs. Those lanes were not there on Sunday. They were disciplined and kept him contained, forcing our woeful offensive line to try and protect. Given our offensive coordinator never made any adjustments and continued to run 25-30-yard patterns, we had little success.

It was a terrible job from O'Connell. Darnold was not put in a position to succeed. The Vikings were gashing the Lions with the run. O'Connell would get across midfield and go away from it. Winning in the playoffs (or big games) has to be ugly at times. Not everything is a beauty contest.

I remember watching Belichick and the Patriots run the ball close to 15 straight times in one game because the defense wasn't stopping it. That was with Tom Brady and Randy Moss on the field. Sometimes you have to take what the defense gives you and be happy with it. You think the Chiefs were disappointed in winning with Isaiah Pacheco last season?

If your offensive line can't protect and you are averaging 4-5 yards-per-carry, why would you put your offense in a position to get your quarterback sacked and put yourself in third and long every possession? And then, even worse, continue to do it over and over with no recognition that it isn't working.

You’re such a Darnold apologist.

Everybody and their mother agrees KOC called a poor game and refused to adapt to the def scheme. We all agree SD had constant people in his face, many running free.

We should all agree that they left no room for Sam to to escape forward, which he’s good at when its there. However, his molasses spin move out the back window to evade rushers, turning his back and then running in a gigantic crop circle … those things are visible from outer space. After the third or fourth time, I would have had our OL trip him before he started, take the initial sack with minimal loss of yards and less embarrassment.

All that and more … but to deny he was completely flustered, was holding the ball too long / over-throwing and-or-had bad ball placement / was not using his underneath options … is just that, denial. No play, no matter how slow developing has everybody running a slow developing route. No pass play has only one or two options.

Apparently you missed the posts within hours after the game where I said he didn't play well.

And BTW, you aren't an apologist when you are saying the obvious.

Saying Sam didn't play well is like saying the Titanic sank. That's not really putting your opinion out there.

Putting most of the iceberg's blame on the dinner menu or the housekeeping service makes you an apologist.

Sam should be blamed for his part and KOC for his. Both deserve a lion's share of the blame. (and Det a ton of credit)

It's true, I don't read all your posts. But I have read several since the Lions game ... and over the course of the season.

What is obvious is that JJM has become your new pariah (replacing Cousins) ... and that you favor Darnold ... although IMO its not beneath you to simply use Sam as a stick to poke at the team and its fans over possible heir apparent JJM.

What's really obvious is that it doesn't matter either way.

I hope JJ McCarthy wins five Super Bowls. Irregardless, I'm not replacing a guy with 14 wins and the #6 passer rating in the league with a guy that has never completed a pass in the NFL if I don't have to. That would be GM malpractice. At the very least, you franchise tag Darnold and get something for your initial investment in a trade.

The bottom line is, it is in the best interest of the franchise to have Darnold under contract because he is a commodity. I don't see them signing him to a long-term deal, nor do I think they should. A franchise tag is the best of both worlds.

Do I like McCarthy? I thought it was a bad choice when they drafted him. The guy played in a running offense and rarely had to run a two-minute offense or played from behind. IMO, the last five minutes of halves is the most important part of any game.

Giving the keys of the Lamborghini to a kid that has never completed a pass would be stupid. Especially when the current guy just had the second most wins in franchise history.

Obviously the current regime doesn't agree with your assessment of JJM or they wouldn't have drafted him. With a definite plan at some point to give the kid the keys to the Lamborghini.

Another case of, what's obvious to you is whatever is opposite the team.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 6:16:03 PM   
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Watching the local news right now as the fires ravage the LA area. I'll be surprised if the game is played at SoFi on Monday night.


The news suggests LA is an inferno. Yet even yesterday people were walking around PCH while fires jumped the highway.

Air quality will be the only issue.

In just the past 5 hours the air quality in LA county has improved tremendously. Winds are dying out which helps with fires and the direction is pushing the smoke offshore. Smoke from any fires in the hills to the north and east will be the consideration for moving the game, and specifically the prognosis for wind direction.

Basing that on being in the area for a while, albeit to the south, watching the news, and internet info.

Due to logistics for seating, etc they no doubt are planning options. I think the powers to be will want to keep the game in Inglewood. Sort of a Katrina-Saints scenario (worst fires ever and you're taking away our playoff game?). Ticket holders can't just magically show up in Vegas or wherever, especially on a Monday.

Conversely, if smoke chokes out the place and the game can't be played then the NFL has a problem. Knowing the NFL, they'll say F it play in Vegas on Wednesday and deal with it. J/K, but that's what they'd want to do. At the heart of it, they are conservative. But just from 20 years of flying and viewing the media, my gut says the game will go on as planned!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 6:39:22 PM   
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Ian Rapoport:
If Monday’s game can no longer be played in Los Angeles, it will be played on Monday night at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona, home of the Arizona Cardinals.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 6:40:57 PM   
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Somebody brought up an excellent point. I can’t remember who it was but they astutely noted that JJM has never attempted a pass in the NFL.

Kinda says it all.

Case closed.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 6:47:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Ian Rapoport:
If Monday’s game can no longer be played in Los Angeles, it will be played on Monday night at State Farm Stadium in Glendale, Arizona, home of the Arizona Cardinals.


I would love to be in the room where pros/cons to move the game is made, hearing the rationale for options. Insight into the NFL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 7:09:04 PM   
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On Ford field that night
Darnold choked away the game
Now all hope is lost
The pattern keeps repeating
Happiness an illusion

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 1/8/2025 7:37:27 PM   
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Let's just call a spade a spade.

Darnold choked
O'Connell choked

The defense kept us in the game for 2.5 qtrs but wore down. (AVG did choke dropping a pick 6)

We all have to just face the facts. This franchise has choked consistently throughout its existence.

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