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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Still with a huge sour taste in my mouth. Can’t bear to watch a second of NFLN.


I still can’t believe Sam’s #’s. For a month the Lions let in scores and yards like it was nothing. They weren’t healthier by the time we got them and lost a starting CB in game.

I guess I should believe it. Very Vikingesque for ‘The story of the year’ to implode like that when Sam should have feasted. Sam is THE Choker right now.

I've been trying to console myself in the brightside is that they won't dare waste $50 mil a year they don't have on Darnold.

Look, the guy proved me wrong all season, and I became a believer, but I think it would be a terrible decision to sign him long term. Get out while his stock is high, he will only go down from here.

The talking heads in the media keep talking how it would be crazy to not resign him. Of course, they have no idea, the team basically has no CBs going into next year, the IOL is still not great, and the D line is being held together with fringe NFL players.

For as much as I despise Kwesi's drafts, he's done a great job in cap space and FA. Don't waste it now on a guy who likely has hit his peak, we will be in Cousins 2.0 all over again.

The team has a chance to get some qualify FAs next year. They are very lean on draft picks next year. Don't blow it.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

Don't get in the way of the posters that flip quicker than a coin Trekkie.....

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

What balls did JJ have ‘trouble catching’? Sam was wildly inaccurate. There were no drops like the one against Chicago.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

What balls did JJ have ‘trouble catching’? Sam was wildly inaccurate. There were no drops like the one against Chicago.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

Don't get in the way of the posters that flip quicker than a coin Trekkie.....

Just the one game. A historical shitting of the bed that costs us so much. We might be out instead of resting so don’t give me this one game BS.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

No other game was close in significance.

Can you carry this weight Sam or not?

That could have been answered in any number of ways with gradations and variables and qualifiers … but it is what it is.

On to the next. Everybody has a bad day at the office being panicked and overthrowing superstar WRs against seriously undermanned and hobbled defenses.

I get it, the Lions game may be the outlier … we may get a different Sam. Its our great hope.

But no reason NOT to call it for what it was.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

Don't get in the way of the posters that flip quicker than a coin Trekkie.....

Just the one game. A historical shitting of the bed that costs us so much. We might be out instead of resting so don’t give me this one game BS.

A road game against probably a top 4 team in the league.....they have beaten everyone they should have beaten during the season.

Like I said I would rather lose game 18 then a playoff game.....game 18 didn't end our season.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

No other game was close in significance.

Can you carry this weight Sam or not?

That could have been answered in any number of ways with gradations and variables and qualifiers … but it is what it is.

On to the next. Everybody has a bad day at the office being panicked and overthrowing superstar WRs against seriously undermanned and hobbled defenses.

I get it, the Lions game may be the outlier … we may get a different Sam. Its our great hope.

But no reason NOT to call it for what it was.

It isn't season over until it is (that is what they called it).

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

No other game was close in significance.

Can you carry this weight Sam or not?

That could have been answered in any number of ways with gradations and variables and qualifiers … but it is what it is.

On to the next. Everybody has a bad day at the office being panicked and overthrowing superstar WRs against seriously undermanned and hobbled defenses.

I get it, the Lions game may be the outlier … we may get a different Sam. Its our great hope.

But no reason NOT to call it for what it was.

It isn't season over until it is (that is what they called it).

That doesnt even make sense.

Nobody has said that, that the season is over or that the Rams game is less significant than the Lions game.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Win or lose, an ok performance against a pretty lousy Rams passing defense wouldn't be enough to bring him back as there is no way he could be counted on in the biggest games.

Now if he puts the offense on his back to the end (win or lose), its worth taking notice. String two of those games together and the conversation reverts to what it was before the Lions game. Which included setting up a sneaky-pete trade tied to franchising him. A 2nd round pick sounds like incredible value right about now.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Darnold explained his "I'm seeing ghosts" comment to the coaches. Said he has to see the field better. Says he has to learn from his mistakes.

That was in 2019. Pre-COVID.

He certainly has learned. All the passes into tight windows. The downfield throws. The TDs.

Then the bright lights came on in one of the most important games to the franchise this quarter century. And he channeled his inner Josh Freeman. Workers are still finding footballs in the bleacher seats. Nothing to do with physical ability or seeing the field.

So now we wait.

But as of now, no way does that choke artist belong on the team next year. We just had a big time choker and was able to get rid of him!

That was the biggest game of his life so far......is it a one game choke or not. He doesn't have a history yet...

It’s not just that we lost it’s the 5 and 30 year lows for RZ success rate. One game or not this defines choking.

There's no way to sugar coat it. It was a choking masterpiece. 9 points to one of the leagues worst defenses the last 8 weeks? No TDs? Choking clinic.

This was, by Darnold, KOC, even Bflo. JJ had trouble catching balls.

But it was THIS game. They were NOT chokers for the PREVIOUS 9 weeks.

It was ONE game.

No other game was close in significance.

Can you carry this weight Sam or not?

That could have been answered in any number of ways with gradations and variables and qualifiers … but it is what it is.

On to the next. Everybody has a bad day at the office being panicked and overthrowing superstar WRs against seriously undermanned and hobbled defenses.

I get it, the Lions game may be the outlier … we may get a different Sam. Its our great hope.

But no reason NOT to call it for what it was.

It isn't season over until it is (that is what they called it).

That doesnt even make sense.

Nobody has said that, that the season is over or that the Rams game is less significant than the Lions game.

Really? You haven't read the overreaction the last 10 pages?
One game didn't create an overreaction versus his 13 games over 100 rating?

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Win or lose, an ok performance against a pretty lousy Rams passing defense wouldn't be enough to bring him back as there is no way he could be counted on in the biggest games.

Now if he puts the offense on his back to the end (win or lose), its worth taking notice. String two of those games together and the conversation reverts to what it was before the Lions game. Which included setting up a sneaky-pete trade tied to franchising him. A 2nd round pick sounds like incredible value right about now.

You know as well as I, if Sam has an ok game - not even a good game just not a disaster - the edward g robinsons in here will continue to stoke their Sam-for-five-year-contract orgies right here, under the sniffer of Mt. Sinaiwinterpark.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

What balls did JJ have ‘trouble catching’? Sam was wildly inaccurate. There were no drops like the one against Chicago.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

What balls did JJ have ‘trouble catching’? Sam was wildly inaccurate. There were no drops like the one against Chicago.

I think he had a drop in the 3rd quarter. But that's the only one I remember.

You could argue that it was possible to catch the TD in the back of the EZ, but with how high that ball was and how far (and fast) it was pulling him OOB, I don't know if even prime Cris Carter would've been able to get his feet down.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

What balls did JJ have ‘trouble catching’? Sam was wildly inaccurate. There were no drops like the one against Chicago.

I think he had a drop in the 3rd quarter. But that's the only one I remember.

You could argue that it was possible to catch the TD in the back of the EZ, but with how high that ball was and how far (and fast) it was pulling him OOB, I don't know if even prime Cris Carter would've been able to get his feet down.

I think JJ would be the first one to say he should have caught that clean. Without the bobble, there is no doubt in my mind that's a TD.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Win or lose, an ok performance against a pretty lousy Rams passing defense wouldn't be enough to bring him back as there is no way he could be counted on in the biggest games.

Now if he puts the offense on his back to the end (win or lose), its worth taking notice. String two of those games together and the conversation reverts to what it was before the Lions game. Which included setting up a sneaky-pete trade tied to franchising him. A 2nd round pick sounds like incredible value right about now.

You know as well as I, if Sam has an ok game - not even a good game just not a disaster - the edward g robinsons in here will continue to stoke their Sam-for-five-year-contract orgies right here, under the sniffer of Mt. Sinaiwinterpark.

Who has said anything other than franchise tag? Maybe one or 2 posters. At most a Baker contract was talked about.....but most thought it was the playoffs that would decide $$$ not regular season week 18....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Win or lose, an ok performance against a pretty lousy Rams passing defense wouldn't be enough to bring him back as there is no way he could be counted on in the biggest games.

Now if he puts the offense on his back to the end (win or lose), its worth taking notice. String two of those games together and the conversation reverts to what it was before the Lions game. Which included setting up a sneaky-pete trade tied to franchising him. A 2nd round pick sounds like incredible value right about now.

You know as well as I, if Sam has an ok game - not even a good game just not a disaster - the edward g robinsons in here will continue to stoke their Sam-for-five-year-contract orgies right here, under the sniffer of Mt. Sinaiwinterpark.

Who has said anything other than franchise tag? Maybe one or 2 posters. At most a Baker contract was talked about.....but most thought it was the playoffs that would decide $$$ not regular season week 18....