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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2025 9:35:00 AM

Tom Sykes

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Yeah the backup... general expectations are he can step in and keep things afloat for 4 games or so. Anything more is unrealistic because they are backups for a reason. Maybe they try to keep Jones, but he's more likely to want to start and will want some assurances up front.

That's fair.

I agree Jones, unlike the other FAs I mentioned above has only fizzled in NY ... so probably still expects a genuine starter opportunity. And I'm sure his agent won't have it any other way. ("This is the guy that beat you in the playoffs ... how many have you won?!")

So our choice is not from the "give me a real shot" pool, but from the 'I got no shot, how can I help" jacuzzi.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2025 9:53:40 AM

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Yeah the backup... general expectations are he can step in and keep things afloat for 4 games or so. Anything more is unrealistic because they are backups for a reason. Maybe they try to keep Jones, but he's more likely to want to start and will want some assurances up front.

That's fair.

I agree Jones, unlike the other FAs I mentioned above has only fizzled in NY ... so probably still expects a genuine starter opportunity. And I'm sure his agent won't have it any other way. ("This is the guy that beat you in the playoffs ... how many have you won?!")

So our choice is not from the "give me a real shot" pool, but from the 'I got no shot, how can I help" jacuzzi.

In the words of Ty Webb spoken to Carl Speckler when asked if he had a pool over here, "We got a pond in the back... we have a pool and a pond, pond would be good for you. Natural spring."

The backup gets the pond!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2025 11:30:54 AM

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Yeah, to me Jones is the real wild card. My guess is they want to try and bring him in as the backup ala Darnold. 10-12 mill range. If he takes that there's some risk to it. If JJM stays healthy and plays well enough, he won't see the field. Does he risk losing another year and the perception that he's now 'just a backup'?

Darnold was a bit different. All signs were pointing to he would, at least, start the year. He would be able to get some tape out there. Jones may not get the chance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2025 12:17:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah the backup... general expectations are he can step in and keep things afloat for 4 games or so. Anything more is unrealistic because they are backups for a reason. Maybe they try to keep Jones, but he's more likely to want to start and will want some assurances up front.

That's fair.

I agree Jones, unlike the other FAs I mentioned above has only fizzled in NY ... so probably still expects a genuine starter opportunity. And I'm sure his agent won't have it any other way. ("This is the guy that beat you in the playoffs ... how many have you won?!")

So our choice is not from the "give me a real shot" pool, but from the 'I got no shot, how can I help" jacuzzi.

In the words of Ty Webb spoken to Carl Speckler when asked if he had a pool over here, "We got a pond in the back... we have a pool and a pond, pond would be good for you. Natural spring."

The backup gets the pond!

LOL. That's what we need, a cinderella boy to come out of nowhere.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2025 2:48:34 PM

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Yeah, to me Jones is the real wild card. My guess is they want to try and bring him in as the backup ala Darnold. 10-12 mill range. If he takes that there's some risk to it. If JJM stays healthy and plays well enough, he won't see the field. Does he risk losing another year and the perception that he's now 'just a backup'?

Darnold was a bit different. All signs were pointing to he would, at least, start the year. He would be able to get some tape out there. Jones may not get the chance.

For some reason I like Garropolo better than Jones (as a backup).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/25/2025 10:51:33 PM

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One has gotten to the Super Bowl, and was in it for 3 quarters, while the other won a playoff game over an historically bad defensive coordinator, but got pummeled the next week in his only season of making the playoffs.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2025 12:27:42 AM

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One has gotten to the Super Bowl, and was in it for 3 quarters, while the other won a playoff game over an historically bad defensive coordinator, but got pummeled the next week in his only season of making the playoffs.

So these backups have gotten farther than your last two starters …

what a ganga!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2025 8:19:47 AM

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Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2025 8:41:30 AM

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Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

What would that have to do with anything?

If he's good and worthy of that pick number I don't care what school he went to.

And you don't draft a guy because of who his college fans are.\

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2025 9:51:54 AM

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Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

What would that have to do with anything?

If he's good and worthy of that pick number I don't care what school he went to.

And you don't draft a guy because of who his college fans are.\

Well, I'm also concerned that he only played D2 football.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2025 9:56:00 AM

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

What would that have to do with anything?

If he's good and worthy of that pick number I don't care what school he went to.

And you don't draft a guy because of who his college fans are.\

Well, I'm also concerned that he only played D2 football.

OK.

When you look at those guys you have to consider the competition they played against...but athletic ability can overcome that. If he dominated D2...

I don't know enough about any college athlete to form any coherent opinion on any specific one.

Some might argue that no one in D2 is worth any pick. but I did say if he was worthy of the pick number school shouldn't matter.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2025 10:11:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

What would that have to do with anything?

If he's good and worthy of that pick number I don't care what school he went to.

And you don't draft a guy because of who his college fans are.\

Well, I'm also concerned that he only played D2 football.

OK.

When you look at those guys you have to consider the competition they played against...but athletic ability can overcome that. If he dominated D2...

I don't know enough about any college athlete to form any coherent opinion on any specific one.

Some might argue that no one in D2 is worth any pick. but I did say if he was worthy of the pick number school shouldn't matter.

No kidding.

John Randle, Brian Urlacher, Michael Strahan …

Great ones are few and far between but it would be negligent to simply ignore them.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/26/2025 2:37:30 PM

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The Vikings have an outstanding organization. Excellent ratings on staff and ownership.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44026420/dolphins-vikings-get-top-grades-nflpa-survey-2nd-straight-year

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 7:21:58 AM

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

What would that have to do with anything?

If he's good and worthy of that pick number I don't care what school he went to.

And you don't draft a guy because of who his college fans are.\

Well, I'm also concerned that he only played D2 football.

If I need to needle it is the JV National Champions but they are playing more D1 schools. Most don't dare play NDSU, UND, SDSU, SD, Montana, etc. because they have NIL money and they have enough talent to beat a team if they have an off day.

I would draft the Olineman if he dropped to the 3rd or 4th round.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 12:19:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

What would that have to do with anything?

If he's good and worthy of that pick number I don't care what school he went to.

And you don't draft a guy because of who his college fans are.\

Well, I'm also concerned that he only played D2 football.

If I need to needle it is the JV National Champions but they are playing more D1 schools. Most don't dare play NDSU, UND, SDSU, SD, Montana, etc. because they have NIL money and they have enough talent to beat a team if they have an off day.

I would draft the Olineman if he dropped to the 3rd or 4th round.

If I counted correctly, Bison have 11 players in the NFL right now. I think Gophers have 18.

Bison have beaten Gophers the last 2 times they played. That was before NIL and when FBS had huge advantage in number of scholarships.

Gophers won't play them anymore. Even though I think Minny has alot more talent than NDSU right now.

Where you have to be careful with FCS players is the skill positions. I think NIL and transfer portal has made a huge advantage for the big schools. Especially at the skill positions.

NDSU has a reputation for developing NFL caliber OLineman so Zabel might be worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 12:45:41 PM

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Sam Darnold tag-and-trade: Vikings’ premium draft hopes could flop

Rumors are roaring at the NFL Scouting Combine, and Sam Darnold seems to be at the center of it all. While the Vikings say all options are on the table, most of the buzz in Indianapolis swirls around Minnesota franchise-tagging Darnold and trading him.

If the Vikings do pull off a tag-and-trade with Darnold, don’t get your hopes up for a first- or second-round pick in return.

“If there is a tag-and-trade, the pick is probably not a first- or second-rounder,” Alec Lewis, who covers the Vikings for The Athletic, said Wednesday on radio row. “Could you get a third-rounder for Sam Darnold? Could you get a fourth-rounder? I think with this team having only four picks in this upcoming draft, adding a fourth-rounder now, as opposed to a third-round comp pick later, is a move you have to make. I’m in alignment with the people who think a tag-and-trade makes sense.”

Lewis’s take lines up with what NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport said Tuesday.

“It’s like a comp pick, plus-plus,” Rapoport noted. “Amazing situation for the Vikings if they’re comfortable enough with J.J. McCarthy as their guy. They can just auction off Sam Darnold and go, ‘Come pay for him.’”

Other teams possibly hunting for a QB include the Jets, Steelers, Browns, Titans, Giants, Saints, Seahawks, and Rams. Here’s where those teams sit in the second, third, and fourth rounds:

Titans key picks: 2nd (35), 4th (102, 119)

Browns key picks: 2nd (33), 3rd (67, 94), 4th (103)

Giants key picks: 2nd (34), 3rd (65), 4th (104, 134)

Jets key picks: 2nd (42), 3rd (92), 4th (109)

Saints key picks: 2nd (40), 3rd (71, 93), 4th (111, 130)

Seahawks key picks: 2nd (50), 3rd (82), 4th (137)

Steelers key picks: 2nd (52), 3rd (83), 4th (122)

Rams key picks: 3rd (90, 100), 4th (126)

https://www.dailynorseman.com/2025/2/27/24374264/sam-darnold-daniel-jones-jj-mccarthy-kevin-oconnell-byron-murphy#comments

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 12:47:09 PM

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Chiefs $105 million Pro Bowler predicted to ditch KC for Vikings in free agency

The Kansas City Chiefs are hoping to keep one of the fastest-rising stars among NFL offensive linemen where they feel he belongs.

Trey Smith, the 25-year-old Chiefs right guard, is getting set to hit free agency in March. Coming off his first Pro Bowl appearance and already the owner of two Super Bowl rings, Smith is going to be the most coveted names in all of football this spring.

Keeping Smith in Kansas City is going to be a tall task. ESPN's Dan Graziano projected earlier this offseason that Smith would get a five-year, $105 million contract, which would be a new record total value at the guard position.

Teams with bad offensive lines that missed the playoffs in 2024 will be obvious fits for Smith as they look to turn their fortunes around. But what if a playoff team came calling? Would that help sway Smith's thinking and thereby increase his chances of leaving Kansas City?

On Wednesday, Advance Local's Scott Engel predicted that Smith would sign with the Minnesota Vikings, who could be an intriguing sleeper among more obvious suitors like the Chicago Bears and New England Patriots.

"If (Ronnie) Staley goes back to (the Baltimore Ravens), Smith might be the priority for Chicago to address its significant offensive line concerns," Engel wrote. "Otherwise, Minnesota needs to bolster its interior, and New England and (the Tennessee Titans) could enter the picture here, too."

The Vikings have cap space in their favor. They have over $66 million to spend heading into the season, though they'd have to decimate that figure if they decided to re-sign quarterback Sam Darnold.

Regardless of whether or not Minnesota is involved, the Chiefs know they have their work cut out for them to convince Smith to stick around. They'll have to be prepared to at least match that new $105 million record, or he's likely history.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/news/chiefs-105-million-pro-bowler-predicted-ditch-kc-vikings-free-agency/ca318f08e1c413ffd5ffbbcd

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 12:48:38 PM

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Rumor: DT Jonathan Allen 'would have interest' in playing for Vikings
Does targeting Allen make sense for the Vikings this offseason, given their need at defensive tackle?
Will Ragatz | Feb 25, 2025

News broke on Tuesday morning that Washington Commanders defensive tackle and two-time Pro Bowler Jonathan Allen has been granted permission to seek a trade. The Vikings happen to have a significant need at that position, and according to KSTP's Darren Wolfson, Allen would have interest in playing for Minnesota.

"Here's what I would tell you. My sense is that he would have all sorts of interest in being a Minnesota Viking," Wolfson said on SKOR North. "A lot of players would have interest in being a Viking. They've set up an infrastructure here that lends itself to a lot of players having interest in being here. Whether the Vikings want to play ball, whether the Vikings reciprocate that interest, remains to be seen. But to suggest that Allen would have interest in the Vikings, I would say you are accurate in doing so."

As pointed out by KFAN's Ben Leber, Allen is represented by Blake Baratz of the Minneapolis-based agency IFA, who also represents Adam Thielen, C.J. Ham, and others. So that's another potential connection to the Vikings.

With that said, going after Allen probably doesn't make much sense for the Vikings. It certainly wouldn't happen via trade, given that the Vikings don't have draft picks to give up and won't want to take on the $16 million or so that would come with the final year of his contract. If the Commanders can't find a trade for Allen — which seems fairly likely — they'll presumably release him. At that point, the Vikings could potentially have interest, but it would have to be at the right price.

At his peak, Allen was among the best defensive tackles in football. He made the Pro Bowl in 2021 and '22, combining for 16.5 sacks in those two seasons. In '21, his 67 pressures in the regular season trailed only Aaron Donald among interior defenders, according to PFF. The 17th overall pick out of Alabama in the 2017 draft, Allen has 42 career sacks in eight seasons.

But he may not be the same player anymore. Allen recently turned 30, and he missed nine games last season with a pectoral injury. Originally believed to be out for the season, he returned in Week 17 and had a big game in Washington's divisional round win over the Lions. For what it's worth, Allen's PFF grades have been below 60 in each of the last two seasons after sitting in the 78-85 range over the previous three.

With the contract that Allen is likely to command if released, given his track record of production, he might not be the most logical target as they look to upgrade at defensive tackle in free agency. Younger players coming off their rookie contract — such as Milton Williams (Eagles), Osa Odighizuwa (Cowboys), and Levi Onwuzurike (Lions) — fit the mold of what GM Kwesi Adofo-Mensah typically goes after in FA.

This is also a loaded NFL draft class at the defensive tackle position, with several likely first-rounders and plenty of other potential contributors on Day 2 and Day 3.

https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/rumor-dt-jonathan-allen-would-have-interest-in-playing-for-vikings-01jmzbg0svy6

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 1:49:39 PM

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And KC plans to Tag Trey Smith.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 1:54:02 PM

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Do NOT draft an NDSU player. North Dakotans are already Vikings fans.

What would that have to do with anything?

If he's good and worthy of that pick number I don't care what school he went to.

And you don't draft a guy because of who his college fans are.\

Well, I'm also concerned that he only played D2 football.

If I need to needle it is the JV National Champions but they are playing more D1 schools. Most don't dare play NDSU, UND, SDSU, SD, Montana, etc. because they have NIL money and they have enough talent to beat a team if they have an off day.

I would draft the Olineman if he dropped to the 3rd or 4th round.

If I counted correctly, Bison have 11 players in the NFL right now. I think Gophers have 18.
Bison have beaten Gophers the last 2 times they played. That was before NIL and when FBS had huge advantage in number of scholarships.
Gophers won't play them anymore. Even though I think Minny has alot more talent than NDSU right now.
Where you have to be careful with FCS players is the skill positions. I think NIL and transfer portal has made a huge advantage for the big schools. Especially at the skill positions.
NDSU has a reputation for developing NFL caliber OLineman so Zabel might be worth a 2nd or 3rd rounder.

Gophers are at 19:
https://www.ourlads.com/ncaa-football-depth-charts/active-nfl-players-by-college/minnesota/91188

Bison are at 12:
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/north-dakota-state-players-nfl-carson-wentz-trey-lance/1778ac90a720eed33fe401eb

Both with add more this draft.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 6:42:31 PM

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NFL Officially Sets 2025 Salary Cap at $279.2 Million

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/27/2025 10:07:43 PM

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It is the time of rumors, but sometimes when there's smoke.....

https://x.com/TheDraftBuzzNFL/status/1895238591028285885

The team that makes the most sense to me still is the Colts.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/28/2025 12:47:55 AM

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Pager, did you pick the Colts in the poll I made for Sam Darnold ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/28/2025 9:43:41 AM

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It is the time of rumors, but sometimes when there's smoke.....

https://x.com/TheDraftBuzzNFL/status/1895238591028285885

The team that makes the most sense to me still is the Colts.

If we franchise Darnold with the desire to trade him, he has to agree to all that and the specific team. Why would he want to screw his new team out of a draft pick?

Unless the Vikings are positive there would be a bidding war for Darnold from multiple teams, I don't think you can risk getting stuck with him for 40M. The contract offers might not be that good and Darnold might decide this is the best place for him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/28/2025 11:36:15 AM

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It is the time of rumors, but sometimes when there's smoke.....

https://x.com/TheDraftBuzzNFL/status/1895238591028285885

The team that makes the most sense to me still is the Colts.

If we franchise Darnold with the desire to trade him, he has to agree to all that and the specific team. Why would he want to screw his new team out of a draft pick?

Unless the Vikings are positive there would be a bidding war for Darnold from multiple teams, I don't think you can risk getting stuck with him for 40M. The contract offers might not be that good and Darnold might decide this is the best place for him.

It sounds like you mean if the Vikings offer the franchise tag to Darnold (with the intent to trade), he would first have to agree to all the terms before signing the tag.

The last part about Darnold might decide this is the best place for him... that is only in play if the Vikings want him.

Overall, it looks like everything has to be on the table and all parameters agreed to with Minnesota, Darnold, and the trading partner. I don't know the protocol/unwritten rules between GMs but on the surface it seems like there is still a risk the other team balks at the 11th hour.

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