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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:40:25 AM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

So Murphy has a 4.2M cap hit for a void year(2025). It is figured in on our cap space.

If we sign him and say the new deal has a cap hit of 10M in 2025, is it really only a 5.8 cap hit off our current cap space?


Scary thing is PFF thinks he can get 17 AAV. At that price no thanks.

He knows the defense. Pretty sticky coverage the last half of year(1st half was not too good) Great ball skills.

I didn't think his coverage was sticky in either half. A few of his picks were a matter of being in the right place after getting beaten badly in coverage. If another team is dumb enough to offer him$17M, let him go.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:48:50 AM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

So Murphy has a 4.2M cap hit for a void year(2025). It is figured in on our cap space.

If we sign him and say the new deal has a cap hit of 10M in 2025, is it really only a 5.8 cap hit off our current cap space?


Scary thing is PFF thinks he can get 17 AAV. At that price no thanks.

He knows the defense. Pretty sticky coverage the last half of year(1st half was not too good) Great ball skills.

I didn't think his coverage was sticky in either half. A few of his picks were a matter of being in the right place after getting beaten badly in coverage. If another team is dumb enough to offer him$17M, let him go.

Maybe he looked better just because Gilmore was so horrible but he has a 72.6 coverage grade(36th out of 223 CBs)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:55:35 AM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

So Murphy has a 4.2M cap hit for a void year(2025). It is figured in on our cap space.

If we sign him and say the new deal has a cap hit of 10M in 2025, is it really only a 5.8 cap hit off our current cap space?


Scary thing is PFF thinks he can get 17 AAV. At that price no thanks.

He knows the defense. Pretty sticky coverage the last half of year(1st half was not too good) Great ball skills.

I didn't think his coverage was sticky in either half. A few of his picks were a matter of being in the right place after getting beaten badly in coverage. If another team is dumb enough to offer him$17M, let him go.

Maybe he looked better just because Gilmore was so horrible but he has a 72.6 coverage grade(36th out of 223 CBs)

Gilmore was absolutely putrid. Yes, everyone else looked a lot better by comparison.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 11:20:02 AM   
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That 17 mill guess is exactly why I brought it up in the first place. At that price go get Reed.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 12:03:07 PM   
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Signing Murphy at say $15M is like going 9-8 every season. Doing enough to stay out of the cellar yet stuck in mediocrity.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 12:58:33 PM   
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That 17 mill guess is exactly why I brought it up in the first place. At that price go get Reed.

I wonder what Reed's price will be with the salary cap hike. 22M per??
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 2:25:00 PM   
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That 17 mill guess is exactly why I brought it up in the first place. At that price go get Reed.

I wonder what Reed's price will be with the salary cap hike. 22M per??


Same question can be asked of every FA, or just bake in the approximate 10% increase across the board.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 3:58:21 PM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

So Murphy has a 4.2M cap hit for a void year(2025). It is figured in on our cap space.

If we sign him and say the new deal has a cap hit of 10M in 2025, is it really only a 5.8 cap hit off our current cap space?


Scary thing is PFF thinks he can get 17 AAV. At that price no thanks.

He knows the defense. Pretty sticky coverage the last half of year(1st half was not too good) Great ball skills.

I didn't think his coverage was sticky in either half. A few of his picks were a matter of being in the right place after getting beaten badly in coverage. If another team is dumb enough to offer him$17M, let him go.

Maybe he looked better just because Gilmore was so horrible but he has a 72.6 coverage grade(36th out of 223 CBs)

Gilmore was absolutely putrid. Yes, everyone else looked a lot better by comparison.


He showed us that he was done as a starting cornerback.Old, slow, and couldn't react the way he used to.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 4:02:11 PM   
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I don't get how hard it is to look at your roster and see where the weaknesses are. If you have a weak interior offensive and defensive line, get some players who will fix that issue. Not that difficult.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 4:07:23 PM   
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And Metellus, Bynum, and Hufanga would make a serious defensive backline.
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