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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2025 10:08:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2025 11:23:11 AM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2025 1:07:39 PM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.

Murphy, this year, had a real gift for getting beat in coverage, but winding up in position to pick off a poorly thrown pass.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2025 1:29:27 PM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.

Murphy, this year, had a real gift for getting beat in coverage, but winding up in position to pick off a poorly thrown pass.

Agree with both posts. I’d go with coverage ability over clean up skills any day. Murphy didn’t live up to his initial contract as is, benefitting from the front seven’s chaos shouldn’t qualify for an even bigger payday.

Not sure we are going to make wholesale changes so we’ll probably resign at least one of the dance partners.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/19/2025 3:46:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		From Adam Schefter: salary cap rising from $255.4 million last year to between $277.5 million and $281.5 million for the upcoming NFL year

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 7:18:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Skor North offseason 4.0 yesterday:

Cuts: Ham, Ingram
Sign: DT Robinson, CB Samuel, S Simmons, G Zietler, G Mekari, LB Greenlaw (very interesting), CB Griffin
Draft: 1st Round DT Oregon Derrick Harmon 3rd round UCF RB 4th RJ Harvey Georgia RB Etienne, 5th S Billy Bowman Jr. Late Big WR I believe it was Jahmal Banks Nebraska
Restructure: O'Neil and Bradbury

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 7:44:39 AM   
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Skor North offseason 4.0 yesterday:

Cuts: Ham, Ingram
Sign: DT Robinson, CB Samuel, S Simmons, G Zietler, G Mekari, LB Greenlaw (very interesting), CB Griffin
Draft: 1st Round DT Oregon Derrick Harmon 3rd round UCF RB 4th RJ Harvey Georgia RB Etienne, 5th S Billy Bowman Jr. Late Big WR I believe it was Jahmal Banks Nebraska
Restructure: O'Neil and Bradbury

Unacceptable. Bradbury needs to go.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 8:31:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Restructure Bradbury lol. Since he's in his last contractual year, that either means extend him or simply apply cap to void years.

No thanks. Cut him and take the $3.8M cap savings. Combine that with $3.3M in savings from cutting deadweight Ingram and there's $7M to help pay for an IOL.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 9:34:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Skor North offseason 4.0 yesterday:

Cuts: Ham, Ingram
Sign: DT Robinson, CB Samuel, S Simmons, G Zietler, G Mekari, LB Greenlaw (very interesting), CB Griffin
Draft: 1st Round DT Oregon Derrick Harmon 3rd round UCF RB 4th RJ Harvey Georgia RB Etienne, 5th S Billy Bowman Jr. Late Big WR I believe it was Jahmal Banks Nebraska
Restructure: O'Neil and Bradbury

Unacceptable. Bradbury needs to go.


Outside of that move I like almost everything they did. The problem is there are only 2-3 centers in FA that would help. Draft actually has a few also. Options seem somewhat limited.

Not sure on 34 year old Zietler and 31 year old Simmons signings but they both still played at a high level last year. Greenlaw is an absolute monster if he can come back at 100% and is only 27.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 10:00:17 AM   
Jeff Jesser


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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Skor North offseason 4.0 yesterday:

Cuts: Ham, Ingram
Sign: DT Robinson, CB Samuel, S Simmons, G Zietler, G Mekari, LB Greenlaw (very interesting), CB Griffin
Draft: 1st Round DT Oregon Derrick Harmon 3rd round UCF RB 4th RJ Harvey Georgia RB Etienne, 5th S Billy Bowman Jr. Late Big WR I believe it was Jahmal Banks Nebraska
Restructure: O'Neil and Bradbury

Unacceptable. Bradbury needs to go.


Outside of that move I like almost everything they did. The problem is there are only 2-3 centers in FA that would help. Draft actually has a few also. Options seem somewhat limited.

Not sure on 34 year old Zietler and 31 year old Simmons signings but they both still played at a high level last year. Greenlaw is an absolute monster if he can come back at 100% and is only 27.



Yeah. I didn't listen to that one but their theme has been "it's unrealistic to get 3 new IOLmen in 1 offseason". It's not ideal but they are probably right. We may be stuck with Bradbury for another year.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 10:12:49 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 10:43:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Greenlaw is quite the hitter. It might put you on the wrong side of the refs at times, but he knocks out opposing players.

Are there any stats kept for number of players a defensive player has injured, or knocked out ?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 10:54:24 AM   
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How would keeping Sam Darnold affect the Vikings' salary cap over the next two or three years?

The cap numbers for J.J. McCarthy over the next three years are roughly $5 million, $6 million and $7 million. That's an absolute steal if he can be a starting NFL quarterback, which the Vikings obviously believed when they selected him 10th overall in last year's draft. Having a capable QB on a rookie deal allows a team to do other things with its cap, including in this case paying Justin Jefferson $35 million per year to play wide receiver. Jefferson's 2026 and 2027 cap numbers are roughly $39 million and $43.5 million, respectively, which certainly indicates the Vikings are expecting to save elsewhere in those years.

Franchising Darnold this year and again next year would cost about $40 million in 2025 and about $48 million in 2026. Signing him to a long-term contract would reduce those cap numbers, but even if Minnesota could get Darnold back on a three-year, $125 million contract (similar in structure to the deal Baker Mayfield got from the Bucs in March 2024, it's still looking at a 2026 cap number around $28 million or so. And that's a best-case scenario, considering Darnold probably will do better than that on the open market.

The Vikings would be blowing up their plans not just for McCarthy but for their entire roster if they brought back Darnold. That isn't to say they won't or shouldn't, after the season he just had, but it would be a seismic shift in their plans from just last summer.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/43903031/2025-nfl-offseason-salary-cap-questions-32-teams-contracts-cuts-trades#MIN
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 11:48:09 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 12:45:20 PM   
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A new IOL is only unrealistic to some because neglect has been the MO for, literally, the past dozen years.



Not saying I agree or disagree but their rational is that with 2 bookends, it's pretty tough to spend that much on all 5 positions.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 4:39:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Skor North offseason 4.0 yesterday:

Cuts: Ham, Ingram
Sign: DT Robinson, CB Samuel, S Simmons, G Zietler, G Mekari, LB Greenlaw (very interesting), CB Griffin
Draft: 1st Round DT Oregon Derrick Harmon 3rd round UCF RB 4th RJ Harvey Georgia RB Etienne, 5th S Billy Bowman Jr. Late Big WR I believe it was Jahmal Banks Nebraska
Restructure: O'Neil and Bradbury

Unacceptable. Bradbury needs to go.


the cap saved by cutting Bradbury and Ingram gets is $6.7mm - sign ryan kelly to a 3yr/2 guaranteed....

we've got a semi-rookie quarterback with a soft knee to protect...top-ten pick in the draft...don't phuck it up by being cheap with a guy that has already failed us for six seasons....

i am so tired of begging this team to shore up the middle - and it kills us every year....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 4:45:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Skor North offseason 4.0 yesterday:

Cuts: Ham, Ingram
Sign: DT Robinson, CB Samuel, S Simmons, G Zietler, G Mekari, LB Greenlaw (very interesting), CB Griffin
Draft: 1st Round DT Oregon Derrick Harmon 3rd round UCF RB 4th RJ Harvey Georgia RB Etienne, 5th S Billy Bowman Jr. Late Big WR I believe it was Jahmal Banks Nebraska
Restructure: O'Neil and Bradbury

Unacceptable. Bradbury needs to go.


Outside of that move I like almost everything they did. The problem is there are only 2-3 centers in FA that would help. Draft actually has a few also. Options seem somewhat limited.

Not sure on 34 year old Zietler and 31 year old Simmons signings but they both still played at a high level last year. Greenlaw is an absolute monster if he can come back at 100% and is only 27.


if we want to win now, we've got to sign those guys as solid filler pieces...if he passes a physical, greenlaw could be huge for five years....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/20/2025 7:01:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Greenlaw? Spending valuable cap on a FA LB from a 4-3 defense next to Fred Warner in his second attempt returning from an achilles injury is the last thing Kwesi needs to do. Cashman will be a FA after the season, so DEVELOP a LB to replace him/use for depth, or address it next year rather than (presumably) bench Pace.

Use the cap we'd waste on Greenlaw to try to acquire better talent at CB and IOL. DT under Flores is a quagmire... one game DL is an afterthought, the next game the lack of talent is all too apparent.

Skor North addressed about half the roster holes, and created a couple more. No wonder they are on 4.0 (albeit it's just filler for content requirements).

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 7:21:55 AM   
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Greenlaw? Spending valuable cap on a FA LB from a 4-3 defense next to Fred Warner in his second attempt returning from an achilles injury is the last thing Kwesi needs to do. Cashman will be a FA after the season, so DEVELOP a LB to replace him/use for depth, or address it next year rather than (presumably) bench Pace.

Use the cap we'd waste on Greenlaw to try to acquire better talent at CB and IOL. DT under Flores is a quagmire... one game DL is an afterthought, the next game the lack of talent is all too apparent.

Skor North addressed about half the roster holes, and created a couple more. No wonder they are on 4.0 (albeit it's just filler for content requirements).


There would be a reason to sign him....he isn't necessarily a 4-3 LB and when you look at Cashman and Pace (2 LBs that aren't the beacon of health) it would make sense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 8:55:41 AM   
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Greenlaw? Spending valuable cap on a FA LB from a 4-3 defense next to Fred Warner in his second attempt returning from an achilles injury is the last thing Kwesi needs to do. Cashman will be a FA after the season, so DEVELOP a LB to replace him/use for depth, or address it next year rather than (presumably) bench Pace.

Use the cap we'd waste on Greenlaw to try to acquire better talent at CB and IOL. DT under Flores is a quagmire... one game DL is an afterthought, the next game the lack of talent is all too apparent.

Skor North addressed about half the roster holes, and created a couple more. No wonder they are on 4.0 (albeit it's just filler for content requirements).


There would be a reason to sign him....he isn't necessarily a 4-3 LB and when you look at Cashman and Pace (2 LBs that aren't the beacon of health) it would make sense.

So signing someone with major injury issues to cover for your oft-dinged players makes sense?

C
OG
CB
CB
OG
S
DT
DT
RB
(…about 6 more positions)
LB

I’m all in!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:03:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Greenlaw? Spending valuable cap on a FA LB from a 4-3 defense next to Fred Warner in his second attempt returning from an achilles injury is the last thing Kwesi needs to do. Cashman will be a FA after the season, so DEVELOP a LB to replace him/use for depth, or address it next year rather than (presumably) bench Pace.

Use the cap we'd waste on Greenlaw to try to acquire better talent at CB and IOL. DT under Flores is a quagmire... one game DL is an afterthought, the next game the lack of talent is all too apparent.

Skor North addressed about half the roster holes, and created a couple more. No wonder they are on 4.0 (albeit it's just filler for content requirements).


There would be a reason to sign him....he isn't necessarily a 4-3 LB and when you look at Cashman and Pace (2 LBs that aren't the beacon of health) it would make sense.

So signing someone with major injury issues to cover for your oft-dinged players makes sense?

C
OG
CB
CB
OG
S
DT
DT
RB
(…about 6 more positions)
LB

I’m all in!


agreed.

I think the only position we need less than LB is WR.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:12:08 AM   
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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

So Murphy has a 4.2M cap hit for a void year(2025). It is figured in on our cap space.

If we sign him and say the new deal has a cap hit of 10M in 2025, is it really only a 5.8 cap hit off our current cap space?
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:21:31 AM   
Phil Riewer


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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

So Murphy has a 4.2M cap hit for a void year(2025). It is figured in on our cap space.

If we sign him and say the new deal has a cap hit of 10M in 2025, is it really only a 5.8 cap hit off our current cap space?


Scary thing is PFF thinks he can get 17 AAV. At that price no thanks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:24:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Greenlaw? Spending valuable cap on a FA LB from a 4-3 defense next to Fred Warner in his second attempt returning from an achilles injury is the last thing Kwesi needs to do. Cashman will be a FA after the season, so DEVELOP a LB to replace him/use for depth, or address it next year rather than (presumably) bench Pace.

Use the cap we'd waste on Greenlaw to try to acquire better talent at CB and IOL. DT under Flores is a quagmire... one game DL is an afterthought, the next game the lack of talent is all too apparent.

Skor North addressed about half the roster holes, and created a couple more. No wonder they are on 4.0 (albeit it's just filler for content requirements).


There would be a reason to sign him....he isn't necessarily a 4-3 LB and when you look at Cashman and Pace (2 LBs that aren't the beacon of health) it would make sense.

So signing someone with major injury issues to cover for your oft-dinged players makes sense?

C
OG
CB
CB
OG
S
DT
DT
RB
(…about 6 more positions)
LB

I’m all in!


agreed.

I think the only position we need less than LB is WR.


A dominant player at 5-7 million a year is the out of the box thought. Isn't that what this thread is for? If we could sign Robinson, Reed, Smith, Dallman I am all ears.
When healthy he is a menace.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 2/21/2025 10:29:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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A lot of talk about bringing back Murphy. I'm torn on that. It's gonna take (I assume) a lot of cheese. I know he had a lot of INT's for the position but I think I'd rather go after Reed. He's more aggressive and I think our secondary needs an "attitude" guy like that. We are very passive outside of our dance recitals after a pick.


The thing about Murphy is he is most effective as a slot corner.....I read that FA Hobbs from the Raiders could be as effective for a lot less. Not sure about it but IMO Murphy is above average but not elite.

So Murphy has a 4.2M cap hit for a void year(2025). It is figured in on our cap space.

If we sign him and say the new deal has a cap hit of 10M in 2025, is it really only a 5.8 cap hit off our current cap space?


Scary thing is PFF thinks he can get 17 AAV. At that price no thanks.

He knows the defense. Pretty sticky coverage the last half of year(1st half was not too good) Great ball skills.
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