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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

A few people post about JJs money-related comments, Kwesi's over the top serenades, and JJs meaningless playoff impact. So what. They are all true.

I personally don't believe he's worth $30+ million but that is today's NFL. Unlike Phil, I don't believe the contract has been done "for some time now". I believe there is a hold up on the % of guaranteed money. I hope the TEAM sticks to their policy regarding guaranteed money for non-QBs.

According to Purple Daily (on a pod months ago) they already broke that policy with Hock. Not sure that it matters but....

They also seem to agree with you that the holdup is guaranteed money.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Seems to me now that Jets is the new one to pick on now that Kirk is gone.

Seems there always has to be some posters aren’t happy now that Kirk is gone. I say BFD on the contract when the salary cap is in 250 million range. You may hate it but he sells more Jerseys and hopefully playoff wins come. Moss is attached to a very good team when he arrived… not all players have that kind of luck.

Biggest reason you pay him. He isn’t 25 yet. Same age as St. Brown

You numbskull.

Some posters aren’t happy because we haven’t had a competitive team since 2017.

If you want to simply focus on the positive and rationalize the negative, go for it. Not everybody’s narrow like that.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

A few people post about JJs money-related comments, Kwesi's over the top serenades, and JJs meaningless playoff impact. So what. They are all true.

I personally don't believe he's worth $30+ million but that is today's NFL. Unlike Phil, I don't believe the contract has been done "for some time now". I believe there is a hold up on the % of guaranteed money. I hope the TEAM sticks to their policy regarding guaranteed money for non-QBs.

According to Purple Daily (on a pod months ago) they already broke that policy with Hock. Not sure that it matters but....

They also seem to agree with you that the holdup is guaranteed money.

Hock was bad contract. Looks they are doubling down with JJ. The only rationale I see is that they are making sure McCarthy has great weapons as he transitions in.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Seems to me now that Jets is the new one to pick on now that Kirk is gone.

Seems there always has to be some posters aren’t happy now that Kirk is gone. I say BFD on the contract when the salary cap is in 250 million range. You may hate it but he sells more Jerseys and hopefully playoff wins come. Moss is attached to a very good team when he arrived… not all players have that kind of luck.

Biggest reason you pay him. He isn’t 25 yet. Same age as St. Brown

You numbskull.

Some posters aren’t happy because we haven’t had a competitive team since 2017.

If you want to simply focus on the positive and rationalize the negative, go for it. Not everybody’s narrow like that.

Numbskull? It is one thing to be happy about letting Kirk at 35 or 30 year old Hunter go.

A 24 year old WR or 26 year old TE still with a lot of prime left? You may want to revisit your trolling policies. Schedule a meeting and readdress.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.

i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

And away we go....

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.

i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....

IIRC Fletcher Cox retired.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

And away we go....

I figured "choking loser" was a happy medium between you and Danno.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

And away we go....

I figured "choking loser" was a happy medium between you and Danno.

Choking loser is gasoline on slow burning ember. We all use labels but that is an over reaction to fair criticism of JJ not being the end all of players.

JJ is not perfect. But he's a great player, he's young, he has an A+ attitude in games going after the ball and attacking defenders.

He needs to tone down the 'no other player in history' talk. Whether you agree with it or not.

He's got so many good things going for him, it damps down (for me) on his likability, period.

For my money, he's a cornerstone of the offense.

Of the franchise? Nah.

Its okay if he's a place holder until McCarthy develops or we find a QB.

Pay him handsomely. I just don't think we build the team and structure the cap around him ... no matter how good / young he is.

IMO teams sustain their success with QB, OL, DL/Edge and CB. WRs are vital but paramount? I myself would rather have top quality at QB, LT, Edge and CB, and then WR. I understand things don't fall into place perfectly like that ... so you keep your best players and keep trying.

Bottomline for me: If paying him as the best WR is not good enough ... if he wants to push the boundaries of WR contracts beyond just being paid like the league's best WR ... I'm sorry but there is a point of diminishing returns. There just is.

I think we'll find out soon enough.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson
I don't know if I consider the phrases "**** him and Diva" as a slow burning ember.

Like I said, somewhere in between Bill and Danno.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

It is one thing to be happy about letting Kirk at 35 or 30 year old Hunter go.


Letting Hunter go for nothing is KAM's second dumbest move since he got here. Compounded by the fact that he made his decision based on the players telling him they wanted him to stay. What are the supposed to say "yeah, man, trade him".

I've liked a lot of what he's done this offseason but man has had some massive head scratchers.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Seems to me now that Jets is the new one to pick on now that Kirk is gone.

Seems there always has to be some posters aren’t happy now that Kirk is gone. I say BFD on the contract when the salary cap is in 250 million range. You may hate it but he sells more Jerseys and hopefully playoff wins come. Moss is attached to a very good team when he arrived… not all players have that kind of luck.

Biggest reason you pay him. He isn’t 25 yet. Same age as St. Brown

You numbskull.

Some posters aren’t happy because we haven’t had a competitive team since 2017.

If you want to simply focus on the positive and rationalize the negative, go for it. Not everybody’s narrow like that.

Numbskull? It is one thing to be happy about letting Kirk at 35 or 30 year old Hunter go.

A 24 year old WR or 26 year old TE still with a lot of prime left? You may want to revisit your trolling policies. Schedule a meeting and readdress.

If you want to criticize my attitude, like you did in the first place (see above) … I’m going to respond.

My trolling policy is: live and let live. unless somebody blugeons you with their stupidity.

There, trolling policy revisited, updated and confirmed.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

And away we go....

I figured "choking loser" was a happy medium between you and Danno.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

And away we go....

I figured "choking loser" was a happy medium between you and Danno.

Choking loser is gasoline on slow burning ember. We all use labels but that is an over reaction to fair criticism of JJ not being the end all of players.

JJ is not perfect. But he's a great player, he's young, he has an A+ attitude in games going after the ball and attacking defenders.

He needs to tone down the 'no other player in history' talk. Whether you agree with it or not.

He's got so many good things going for him, it damps down (for me) on his likability, period.

For my money, he's a cornerstone of the offense.

Of the franchise? Nah.

Its okay if he's a place holder until McCarthy develops or we find a QB.

Pay him handsomely. I just don't think we build the team and structure the cap around him ... no matter how good / young he is.

IMO teams sustain their success with QB, OL, DL/Edge and CB. WRs are vital but paramount? I myself would rather have top quality at QB, LT, Edge and CB, and then WR. I understand things don't fall into place perfectly like that ... so you keep your best players and keep trying.

Bottomline for me: If paying him as the best WR is not good enough ... if he wants to push the boundaries of WR contracts beyond just being paid like the league's best WR ... I'm sorry but there is a point of diminishing returns. There just is.

I think we'll find out soon enough.

I don't know if I consider the phrases "**** him and Diva" as a slow burning ember.

Like I said, somewhere in between Bill and Danno.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.

i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....

IIRC Fletcher Cox retired.

We have 17M in cap room.

Does signing Calais Campbell for 1 year (probably 8-10M) make any sense? Are we looking to compete or should we see what the young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs) have?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

It is one thing to be happy about letting Kirk at 35 or 30 year old Hunter go.


Letting Hunter go for nothing is KAM's second dumbest move since he got here. Compounded by the fact that he made his decision based on the players telling him they wanted him to stay. What are the supposed to say "yeah, man, trade him".

I've liked a lot of what he's done this offseason but man has had some massive head scratchers.

They signed three younger guys for almost the same price that actually are more flexible....I doubt it was a Kwesi decision. If Flores was totally in on Hunter he would have stayed.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Seems to me now that Jets is the new one to pick on now that Kirk is gone.

Seems there always has to be some posters aren’t happy now that Kirk is gone. I say BFD on the contract when the salary cap is in 250 million range. You may hate it but he sells more Jerseys and hopefully playoff wins come. Moss is attached to a very good team when he arrived… not all players have that kind of luck.

Biggest reason you pay him. He isn’t 25 yet. Same age as St. Brown

You numbskull.

Some posters aren’t happy because we haven’t had a competitive team since 2017.

If you want to simply focus on the positive and rationalize the negative, go for it. Not everybody’s narrow like that.

Numbskull? It is one thing to be happy about letting Kirk at 35 or 30 year old Hunter go.

A 24 year old WR or 26 year old TE still with a lot of prime left? You may want to revisit your trolling policies. Schedule a meeting and readdress.

If you want to criticize my attitude, like you did in the first place (see above) … I’m going to respond.

My trolling policy is: live and let live. unless somebody blugeons you with their stupidity.

There, trolling policy revisited, updated and confirmed.

Again your opinion is the standard apparently in your own mind.

There is a double standard placed on an older Hunter who was going to be older and was replaced by 3 younger guys for the same cap. Seems like there is picking and choosing going on. Before calling any post stupid you may want to readdress again.

Anything on the Defense seems to run thru Flores as to who they should sign, draft, or pickup as a UDFA.......I know Kwesi is a horse you like to kick just like Kirk was, and now JJ or Jets but continue on your trolling way.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

His lack of yards or touchdown catches when the season or playoff was on the line?

I get the frustration but the dude has been in 1 playoff game and his chance to be a hero was rewarded with a 3 yard check down on forth and 8.

If we are going to write off JJ as a choking loser already, this franchise is in trouble.

And away we go....

I figured "choking loser" was a happy medium between you and Danno.

You figured wrong. Keep that term for yourself.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Seems to me now that Jets is the new one to pick on now that Kirk is gone.

Seems there always has to be some posters aren’t happy now that Kirk is gone. I say BFD on the contract when the salary cap is in 250 million range. You may hate it but he sells more Jerseys and hopefully playoff wins come. Moss is attached to a very good team when he arrived… not all players have that kind of luck.

Biggest reason you pay him. He isn’t 25 yet. Same age as St. Brown

You numbskull.

Some posters aren’t happy because we haven’t had a competitive team since 2017.

If you want to simply focus on the positive and rationalize the negative, go for it. Not everybody’s narrow like that.

Numbskull? It is one thing to be happy about letting Kirk at 35 or 30 year old Hunter go.

A 24 year old WR or 26 year old TE still with a lot of prime left? You may want to revisit your trolling policies. Schedule a meeting and readdress.

If you want to criticize my attitude, like you did in the first place (see above) … I’m going to respond.

My trolling policy is: live and let live. unless somebody blugeons you with their stupidity.

There, trolling policy revisited, updated and confirmed.

Again your opinion is the standard apparently in your own mind.

There is a double standard placed on an older Hunter who was going to be older and was replaced by 3 younger guys for the same cap. Seems like there is picking and choosing going on. Before calling any post stupid you may want to readdress again.

Anything on the Defense seems to run thru Flores as to who they should sign, draft, or pickup as a UDFA.......I know Kwesi is a horse you like to kick just like Kirk was, and now JJ or Jets but continue on your trolling way.

How do you know?

Does Flores get credit for Davenport?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

O'Neill is another player with too-high cap figures, but the team has used his contract to drum up cap so many times the true figures are buried. His current contract started out at 5 yrs, $92 million. $18.5 APY.

i can see kwesi using some of his limited draft capital next year to replace o'neill...hopefully, he stays healthy so we can trade him....

if we sign jefferson this offseason, we'll probably lower his cap hit for 2024....

is fletcher cox worth signing?...we really do need some strength in the middle of our lines - both sides of the ball....

are there any free agent guards or d-tackles worth signing?....

IIRC Fletcher Cox retired.

We have 17M in cap room.

Does signing Calais Campbell for 1 year (probably 8-10M) make any sense? Are we looking to compete or should we see what the young guys(Roy, 7th rounder and UFDAs) have?

What does that even mean?

You believe KOC may elect to play the bottom of the barrel guys and have Greenard, Phillips, etc sit??