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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 10:32:38 AM   
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Carson Wentz was in for a workout today. It's safe to say that neither Howell or Rypien is going to he QB2.

And he's signed...and Howell is traded

we didn't lose too much value on the Howell trade, as he cost us a 5th, but we are giving him and a 6th to the Eagles for a 5th and a 7th

Which all of it is weird, because we could have just signed Wentz in the first place for nothing and he could have been here for training camp

Did they really think SH was worth a shot? (shit?)

Anything in return for Howell is a win.

What we spent to get him was worth the chance. I don't mind taking that risk ... as long as you don't double down on the mistake and hold onto it for too long because of your ego or fear of criticism.

[Speaking of holding on to mistakes a bit too long, the Eagles released Cine to make room for Howell!]

CB and WR/Return dude ... come on down.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 10:37:06 AM   
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Carson Wentz was in for a workout today. It's safe to say that neither Howell or Rypien is going to he QB2.

And he's signed...and Howell is traded

we didn't lose too much value on the Howell trade, as he cost us a 5th, but we are giving him and a 6th to the Eagles for a 5th and a 7th

Which all of it is weird, because we could have just signed Wentz in the first place for nothing and he could have been here for training camp

Did they really think SH was worth a shot? (shit?)


I think Howell was a swap of 5ths (#142 for 172), which is a high 7th.

Loosely, at the end of the day Kwesi gave up a 6th and received a 5th.

Wheeling and dealing at the margins!
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 10:41:24 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 10:51:56 AM   
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At the end of the day, the Vikings gave up a 5th last year and a 6th next year and got a 6th last year and a 5th and 7th next year.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 12:16:16 PM   
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So is that 5th what Carolina wants in trade for Thielen?

Rumors are that Carolina is holding out for a 3rd for Thielen and we offered a 4th. Hard to justify a 3rd for Thielen considering we couldn't get anything for him before we cut him.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 2:06:53 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 2:47:23 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 2:48:16 PM   
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If true, Kwesi is an idiot to offer a 4th. He's a low 5th type.

It's probably one of those deals where we give a 4th and get Theilen and a 5th or 6th in return.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 2:48:54 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 3:31:04 PM   
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You would ghink after this past draft we would hold onto those resources tightly.

We do have a projected 10 picks next year. So we can do a little trading but I wouldn't give up too many picks. Carolina has 7 receivers they would like to keep, so a Thielen deal may happen before the Monday deadline.

Theilen has transitioned to more of an elite slot receiver in Carolina. I think he'd fit in well here as slot receiver between Jefferson and Addison.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 3:35:51 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 4:02:21 PM   
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Coming home seldom works.

Didn't work for me when I moved back in with parents after being out on my own for a few years.

Didn't work for Randy Moss when he came back, but I thought that had more to do with Childress than Moss.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 5:07:25 PM   
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If true, Kwesi is an idiot to offer a 4th. He's a low 5th type.

It's probably one of those deals where we give a 4th and get Theilen and a 5th or 6th in return.

It probably also involves Carolina paying part of Theilen's salary.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 5:30:33 PM   
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You would ghink after this past draft we would hold onto those resources tightly.

We do have a projected 10 picks next year. So we can do a little trading but I wouldn't give up too many picks. Carolina has 7 receivers they would like to keep, so a Thielen deal may happen before the Monday deadline.

Theilen has transitioned to more of an elite slot receiver in Carolina. I think he'd fit in well here as slot receiver between Jefferson and Addison.

I do enjoy the last three rds ... they are long shot entertaining ... but the first three rds are important ... and the fourth rd is medium to long shot entertaining.

Pick counts padded with late rd picks don't mean all that.

We seem like we are better at UDFA than late picks any way.

I would not call Thielen elite at this point ... certainly productive, especially in 2023.

I'd love to have him but not for a fourth rounder, even with a late pick in return. Not for a #3 WR.

For a adequate CB, sure.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 5:49:44 PM   
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Vikings updated draft picks for 2026 (compensatory as projected by OTC):

— 1st
— 2nd
— 3rd
— 3rd (comp for Sam Darnold)
— 4th (comp for Daniel Jones)
— 5th
— 5th (Eagles)
— 5th (comp for Cam Robinson)
— 7th
— 7th (Texans)
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 7:00:11 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 7:02:46 PM   
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If true, Kwesi is an idiot to offer a 4th. He's a low 5th type.

+1. One year for a 35 year old wr. Closer to a 6 or 7

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 7:52:56 PM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 8:01:56 PM   
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Caitlin’s IG suggest it is real close to happening.



thielen's base salary is $6.250mm/2025....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 8:11:38 PM   
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Caitlin’s IG suggest it is real close to happening.



thielen's base salary is $6.250mm/2025....

We have the salary cap for 2025 but I bet he is a cut candidate. They have 5 wr they aren’t cutting before theilen. I would prefer Coker over Thielen. We could wait for cuts if they want a 4th

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/24/2025 9:04:20 PM   
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Caitlin’s IG suggest it is real close to happening.



thielen's base salary is $6.250mm/2025....

We have the salary cap for 2025 but I bet he is a cut candidate. They have 5 wr they aren’t cutting before theilen. I would prefer Coker over Thielen. We could wait for cuts if they want a 4th


exactly what is nailor's situation?....

kwesi should tell addison's agent that we're going to 5th year option him in '27 and maybe even tag him in '28 for all the bullshit he's created for our team....

harrison phillips is still costing us $5.5mm in cap space this season....




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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/25/2025 10:02:10 AM   
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/25/2025 11:01:39 AM   
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If Thielen was a cut casualty it would be one thing. I wouldn't go higher than a 5th with some change back.

Just read negotiations still ongoing for Thielen trade.

Less than 20% of 3rd day draft picks ever see an active NFL roster. I would trade a 4th round comp pick, which is almost a 5th round pick, for Thielen plus change. Reality is 3rd day draft picks rarely pan out anyway and are better used as trade currency for established players that can help your team now.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/25/2025 11:09:58 AM   
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Fans eat it up though and tend to overrate such players... especially the walk-on local boy made good types.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/25/2025 11:17:40 AM   
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This contains a question about what six Carolina WRs to keep. Nearly all replies listed Thielen first.
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