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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/10/2025 11:18:51 AM

Chris Olson

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I agree, Todd, if someone falls there...

But in all likelihood, the value we get in another pick and getting one of the same 5 guys we rated the same in a 5 spot move down would be great!

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/10/2025 11:19:57 AM

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Probably there will be 10 guys we like about the same in that part of the draft

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/10/2025 1:30:09 PM

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It should be assumed the regime believes that whoever they pick will be a very good NFL player. And yes they probably will have a grouping of a number of near equal or equally rated players. Call it five players.

Trading down five spots technically nets a super low 3rd rounder that's in the compensatory pick range.

The trouble with trading down is they could be left with an OT or Edge player. While those are premium positions the draftee would be projected to sit for a couple of years. Poor use of resources.

And with the trade down they can only sit and watch while their CB, G, DL etc are snapped up by another team.

Conversely, if the five players are at positions of need then go for the trade.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/10/2025 1:41:45 PM

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Probably there will be 10 guys we like about the same in that part of the draft

10 sounds high, like someone didn't do their homework to differentiate them.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/10/2025 3:27:08 PM

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Probably there will be 10 guys we like about the same in that part of the draft

10 sounds high, like someone didn't do their homework to differentiate them.

Yeah, if they can't differentiate between 10 guys, they need new scouts. Of course it would explain a lot about their drafting.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/10/2025 6:54:52 PM

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I agree, guys, but I guess I was thinking how big boards tend to have players grouped in chunks, regardless of positions

like top tier/elite are 3 or 4 players

the next tier might have 10 players

the next grouping might be 20 players of similar ratings, etc

so I think when you get to the 20's, you might get someone who falls, and I'd snap him up...

but you might also be looking at 2-3 cb's, a safety, a couple guards, probably a DT or 2 and maybe even an edge that are all rated pretty similarly

obviously we will have some we like a little better and that may be better fits, but I think Kwesi will take that late 3rd, betting on getting a starter at a position of need at 30 ish

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/11/2025 8:43:17 AM

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KOC was recently talking about comp picks, and how their assignment was complicated to the point of needing aspirin. He was pretty clear knowing they could get a 3rd (as in 1, 2, 3) pick next year if they played their cards right until after the draft (the article alluded to it being just a 7th rounder and could depend on Sherfield's performance in Denver, so it will likely be knife edge close, but a 3rd rounder plus a 4th/5th rounder seem assured).

In that light, they would value a trade down to get for example a low 3rd round pick.

Still partial to a G or CB.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/11/2025 10:14:18 AM

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also partial to G or CB...

Pretty sure they feel they can go BPA, though...

can't see them NOT weighing need for OG, CB and maybe safety

I wouldn't doubt whoever they pick will be claimed to be BPA

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/11/2025 1:21:14 PM

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I always like when we pick a less picked over position later in the draft. So all things being equal I would rather have the #1 TE in the 20's than the CB 4/5 or the 5th best O lineman. I feel that's a good way to get quality players who are overlooked. I get that you have to fill needs but it's always true that picking good players fills a need, whether that's now or in the future. I get some drafts are stronger and weaker at certain positions, but just my 2 cents.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/11/2025 1:27:33 PM

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If ever.. we need to find udfa after the draft that get ground rule double playing time, it’s this season..

It a freaking crime going into the draft with this few picks.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/11/2025 2:12:23 PM

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I always like when we pick a less picked over position later in the draft. So all things being equal I would rather have the #1 TE in the 20's than the CB 4/5 or the 5th best O lineman. I feel that's a good way to get quality players who are overlooked. I get that you have to fill needs but it's always true that picking good players fills a need, whether that's now or in the future. I get some drafts are stronger and weaker at certain positions, but just my 2 cents.

So true

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/11/2025 6:11:10 PM

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2025 NFL quarterback mock draft: Team fits in seven rounds

I projected a landing spot -- team, round and pick -- for just about every draftable quarterback in this 2025 class, from No. 1 down to late Day 3. I even threw in a few interesting undrafted free agents at the end for good measure. In all, I found fits for 12 passers, including nine draft picks.

Round 6, No. 187: Minnesota Vikings
Will Howard, Ohio State
Height: 6-4 | Weight: 236 | Scouts Inc. ranking: QB6
2024 stats: 73.0% completion rate, 4,010 yards, 35 TDs, 10 INTs (7 rushing TDs)

A few weeks ago, the NFL world was abuzz with the potential of Aaron Rodgers joining the Vikings and fighting J.J. McCarthy for the QB1 job. That probably won't happen, and probably was never going to happen, but the Vikings do need another QB in the building. Minnesota lost last year's QB1 (Sam Darnold) and QB3 (Nick Mullens) in free agency. Only Brett Rypien is rostered behind McCarthy, who is far from a sure thing himself. (McCarthy still hasn't played an NFL snap following last year's meniscus injury.)

I love Rypien as much as the next guy. (No, really.) But that's not enough.

Ideally, the Vikings go QB earlier in this draft -- but Howard in Round 6 is a pretty square deal. He had 43 starts over four seasons at Kansas State and a national championship campaign with Ohio State. With the Buckeyes, he looked the part of a poised and trustworthy veteran. I like Howard's mobility, but he isn't a one-read-and-scramble escape artist in the pocket. He'll sit in there, bounce through progressions and look for the correct throw. He can break a tackle or two as well; he's big and doesn't shy away from contact.

Howard can access all the levels of the field and is generally safe with the football, but he doesn't see it fast and will get hoodwinked by coverage rotations at the snap. He needs an offense like the one Kevin O'Connell runs, as it protects the quarterback from high processing demands. At Ohio State, Howard picked his poison on isolation routes with elite college receivers in Jeremiah Smith and Emeka Egbuka. In Minnesota, he could do the same with Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison.

If he hits, I could see Howard having a Jacoby Brissett-like career in the NFL. He might even get the designated sneaker role in Minnesota behind McCarthy!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/44549805/2025-nfl-mock-draft-quarterback-team-fits-ward-sanders-dart

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/15/2025 12:53:39 PM

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2025 three-round NFL mock draft: Kiper, Yates predict picks

24. Minnesota Vikings
Kiper's pick: Donovan Jackson, G, Ohio State

The Vikings knew they had to address the interior this offseason and went out and signed guard Will Fries and center Ryan Kelly. But Jackson would represent an upgrade over Blake Brandel at the other guard spot. Jackson has some really strong movement traits.

97. Minnesota Vikings*
Yates' pick: Billy Bowman Jr., S, Oklahoma

Minnesota lost Camryn Bynum in free agency, and Harrison Smith is 36. But the team can add a football vacuum in Bowman late on Day 2. Bowman had 11 picks over the past three seasons.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2025/insider/story/_/id/44601805/2025-nfl-mock-draft-three-rounds-kiper-yates-predictions-102-picks-trades-qbs

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/16/2025 9:22:14 AM

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DT's who can rush the passer is a hot trend, especially after Philly got to Mahomes in the SB. So a G in the 1st round, at 24 or later, works nice.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/17/2025 1:02:36 PM

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The #NFL has announced that TE Stu Voigt will be announcing the #Vikings’ Day 2 picks at this year’s #NFLDraft in Green Bay. Voigt will replace Ed Marinaro, who is still giving his speech from the 2022 NFL Draft.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/20/2025 10:12:41 AM

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Apparently Donovan Jackson just visited the Vikes as well...

so we are definitely not taking a guard at 24

lol

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/20/2025 10:24:19 AM

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Actually, I think not getting fancy and picking one of the top 2 or 3 guards in this draft at 24 would be awesome!

Seems we have made an effort to put the pieces around JJM so that he can have success.

And I'm sure they think fortifying that sieve like interior OL would do more than anything else to ensure that success

(as so many of us have been screaming for years)

It probably helps more than the 5th or 6th corner or 2nd Safety, as we have seen Flores cobble together surprisingly great defenses with nothing

That said, I would not be unhappy with corner or safety, but I dream of having one of those offensive lines...

QB has all day to find the open guy and RB's have massive holes to gash...

that will do the most to ensure JJM's success

If he can't do it with that he ain't the guy

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/21/2025 4:36:56 PM

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Actually, I think not getting fancy and picking one of the top 2 or 3 guards in this draft at 24 would be awesome!

Seems we have made an effort to put the pieces around JJM so that he can have success.

And I'm sure they think fortifying that sieve like interior OL would do more than anything else to ensure that success

(as so many of us have been screaming for years)

It probably helps more than the 5th or 6th corner or 2nd Safety, as we have seen Flores cobble together surprisingly great defenses with nothing

That said, I would not be unhappy with corner or safety, but I dream of having one of those offensive lines...

QB has all day to find the open guy and RB's have massive holes to gash...

that will do the most to ensure JJM's success

If he can't do it with that he ain't the guy

Thor tried justifying this philosophy on Skor North (drafting an OG) by saying Dline, WR, and RB are deep in this draft.

I would rather grab another Dlineman earlier.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/21/2025 5:26:03 PM

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Grey Zabel might be BPA when #24 comes around. He's really climbing up the boards and fits our need perfectly. LG who can play Center and also play Tackle in a pinch.

I am always skeptical when a guy is "Climbing the boards".

He was deemed to be valued lower to begin with...what changed?

I get that there is a lot of disinformation going on this time of year but sometimes when guys climb the boards it is because the real scouts start touting a guy. Not just a bunch of mock drafters who made there mock drafts before and during the college season.

So NFL scouts are spilling the beans? A double-reverse smoke screen?

I am always skeptical when local fans trumpet a relatively local player from a small school. Not dismissive, just skeptical.

Daniel Jeremiah has Zabel going #16.

Bucky Brooks has him going #18.

I just think the fit and flexibility is what we need if we go that route.

Honestly, I want the big Michigan NT/DT Kenneth Grant. That would complete the front 7 IMO. I'm also counting on Samuel Jr. rumor to be true.

Stick and pick if Grant falls to us!
Maybe Zabel as well.
Get studs, not consolation prizes. lol

Blue chippers gone, yeah, make a deal with KC or someone...

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/22/2025 8:06:11 AM

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i don't think you can call any of the guys left at 24 "blue chippers"

There will be plenty of guys that would be good fits and such, and probably enough of those that we will trade down a few spots for an extra pick

If KAM actually comes away with a 1st rd pick and an extra 3rd, especially since everyone knows this is what we want, I will be mega impressed

I will also be impressed if he stands firm and takes a guy like Donovan Jackson at 24

I expect he will instead panic and trade down to 36 for a 4th rd compensatory pick

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/22/2025 9:11:55 AM

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Have we figured out our backup plan at quarterback yet?

Also, can anyone tell me who our #3 receiver is?

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/22/2025 9:13:32 AM

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Have we figured out our backup plan at quarterback yet?

Patience. By Sunday it will all be decided.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/22/2025 9:16:53 AM

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Have we figured out our backup plan at quarterback yet?

Patience. By Sunday it will all be decided.

Better hope nobody gets hurt at wide receiver either. That is a paper thin depth chart.

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/22/2025 9:19:59 AM

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Have we figured out our backup plan at quarterback yet?

Patience. By Sunday it will all be decided.

Better hope nobody gets hurt at wide receiver either. That is a paper thin depth chart.

That's probably our 2nd deepest position. After OLB

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RE: 2025 NFL Draft - 4/22/2025 9:23:05 AM

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Have we figured out our backup plan at quarterback yet?

Patience. By Sunday it will all be decided.

Better hope nobody gets hurt at wide receiver either. That is a paper thin depth chart.

That's probably our 2nd deepest position. After OLB

Deep? As in a lot of players? Or deep with talent?

Jalen Nailor has 40 catches in three seasons. You can attribute about 2/3rds of them to having great players opposite him. He's just a guy.

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