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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/29/2026 9:10:02 PM   
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The market might have dried up to the point where Jennings might be signed for much less.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 6:11:50 AM   
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The earliest teams can sign a player w/o affecting comp picks is this Friday.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 8:53:49 AM   
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WR Jerry Juedy and Diggs Debo Jennings still FA

DE Clowney available

So the $$$ freed up by Greenard trade could be used this way.


clowney is good value...his price estimate is $6mm on spotrac - 8.5 sacks last season....

von miller had 9 sacks last season and is also estimated at $6mm....


Both are getting long in the tooth (Miller 37, Clowney 33).......add Cam Jordan 36 to this list. I think Clowney may have the most in the tank but that would be a guess.

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spotrac says....

jordan...$6.7mm
clowney...$5.6mm
miller...$5.6mm
jennings...$22.6mm

i thought jordan was a dt...he had 10 sacks last year....
if we can play jordan inside, i'd sign both him and clowney....

i would try to sign jennings for $50mm/3yrs....


Feel like they have a plethora of inside DL now, especially with Flores mixing, matching, and sometimes de-emphasizing it.

But for a 3-4 D that prioritizes production from the Edge, that position looks woefully light: Turner and AVG. Holdovers are Ritcher and Batty. That lack of depth is borderline criminal so hope they sign a Wonnum type... someone with experience that can at least look the part. And I don't see Golday being the answer there because he is a LB despite some early DE snaps at Small School U.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 8:58:55 AM   
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WR, a lower cost Jennings sounds good.
EDGE depth.

CB? Depends on what they think of Demmings and there isn't much out there even for depth.
C? Guess they will try out the firm of Brandel, Jurgens, and Claiborne.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 9:24:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

WR Jerry Juedy and Diggs Debo Jennings still FA

DE Clowney available

So the $$$ freed up by Greenard trade could be used this way.


clowney is good value...his price estimate is $6mm on spotrac - 8.5 sacks last season....

von miller had 9 sacks last season and is also estimated at $6mm....


Both are getting long in the tooth (Miller 37, Clowney 33).......add Cam Jordan 36 to this list. I think Clowney may have the most in the tank but that would be a guess.

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spotrac says....

jordan...$6.7mm
clowney...$5.6mm
miller...$5.6mm
jennings...$22.6mm

i thought jordan was a dt...he had 10 sacks last year....
if we can play jordan inside, i'd sign both him and clowney....

i would try to sign jennings for $50mm/3yrs....


Feel like they have a plethora of inside DL now, especially with Flores mixing, matching, and sometimes de-emphasizing it.

But for a 3-4 D that prioritizes production from the Edge, that position looks woefully light: Turner and AVG. Holdovers are Ritcher and Batty. That lack of depth is borderline criminal so hope they sign a Wonnum type... someone with experience that can at least look the part. And I don't see Golday being the answer there because he is a LB despite some early DE snaps at Small School U.

Wilson also moves out to the edge and Golday will likely get reps there as well.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 9:54:01 AM   
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Needs:

WR, a lower cost Jennings sounds good.
EDGE depth.

CB? Depends on what they think of Demmings and there isn't much out there even for depth.
C? Guess they will try out the firm of Brandel, Jurgens, and Claiborne.


i just know you're thinking of Gavin Gerhardt...and btw, word is Gerhardt played over 3,000 snaps at center in college....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 10:06:25 AM   
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"A deal just hasn't come together yet for Jauan Jennings and he decided to wait..

My guess is he already knows what a deal is gonna look like with the Minnesota Vikings" ~
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 10:07:52 AM   
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Pat McAfee@PatMcAfeeShow
"A deal just hasn't come together yet for Jauan Jennings and he decided to wait..

My guess is he already knows what a deal is gonna look like with the Minnesota Vikings" ~
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Well, they are probably going to wait to sign anybody until tomorrow when compensatory picks are no longer a factor anyway...

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 12:55:09 PM   
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Cost, recent injury, age has me not seeing a FA WR fit.

I think we're fine with Jefferson/Addison/Felton/Price/Bell or Knotts.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 1:07:05 PM   
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Pat McAfee@PatMcAfeeShow
"A deal just hasn't come together yet for Jauan Jennings and he decided to wait..

My guess is he already knows what a deal is gonna look like with the Minnesota Vikings" ~
@RapSheet


Well, they are probably going to wait to sign anybody until tomorrow when compensatory picks are no longer a factor anyway...

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darren wolfson, on purple daily, says that jennings is not going to get nailor money...he's thinking a 1-yr deal worth around $8mm....

jennings' agent helped negotiate the greenard deal, as his agent....

jennings left town...talking to the commanders....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 1:08:57 PM   
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Really good stuff on Banks here:

https://www.dailynorseman.com/minnesota-vikings-draft/96529/breaking-down-caleb-banks
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 1:21:56 PM   
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Cost, recent injury, age has me not seeing a FA WR fit.

I think we're fine with Jefferson/Addison/Felton/Price/Bell or Knotts.


If Jennings doesn't take the money there is a guy out there yet that would work...Jerry Jeudy.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 2:17:03 PM   
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Cost, recent injury, age has me not seeing a FA WR fit.

I think we're fine with Jefferson/Addison/Felton/Price/Bell or Knotts.


If Jennings doesn't take the money there is a guy out there yet that would work...Jerry Jeudy.



No matter who, they need to bring in a vet. Any issue (even minor) from Addison and its, at least, 4 games.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 2:35:03 PM   
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Cost, recent injury, age has me not seeing a FA WR fit.

I think we're fine with Jefferson/Addison/Felton/Price/Bell or Knotts.


If Jennings doesn't take the money there is a guy out there yet that would work...Jerry Jeudy.



No matter who, they need to bring in a vet. Any issue (even minor) from Addison and its, at least, 4 games.


Sportrac says we have 16 million in cap for top 51.....but anyone drafted who makes over the minimum will count against the cap---so it could cost up to 5 million more in cap.

Also I believe Allen's is a June 1st cut so some of that won't come off until then.....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 3:18:09 PM   
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Cost, recent injury, age has me not seeing a FA WR fit.

I think we're fine with Jefferson/Addison/Felton/Price/Bell or Knotts.


If Jennings doesn't take the money there is a guy out there yet that would work...Jerry Jeudy.



No matter who, they need to bring in a vet. Any issue (even minor) from Addison and its, at least, 4 games.


Unfortunately there's no real reason to trust Addison to stay above board even with millions at stake as he inches towards the big money payday. A little birdie told me he wants to "go get paid' so you'd think he could just not be an idiot. I'd like to see him stay and provide one of the best 1/2 punches in the league - or fetch us a nice asset or 2 in next years stacked class.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 4/30/2026 4:41:55 PM   
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I think this is 100% Murray's team right now. I kind of hope JJ has some fight in him and earns the backup job. Hopefully we'll be in some favorable positions where JJ can be showcased in some mop-up duty. Trade him for some 2027 picks. Or 1 decent one.

I feel no attachment to him.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 5:12:04 AM   
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Really good stuff on Banks here:

https://www.dailynorseman.com/minnesota-vikings-draft/96529/breaking-down-caleb-banks

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Banks first injured his left foot during spring practices last year, resulting in his walking with a boot for a few weeks. The same foot then later “fully snapped” during fall practice, causing him to miss the first two games of the season. Banks, apparently eager to return to the field, nevertheless played in the week three game against LSU and aggravated the injury, forcing him to have surgery on what apparently was a Jones fracture.

He later returned for the final two games of the season, despite still having an open incision on his foot, rather than shutting it down for the season as he didn’t want his college career to end with the injury and wanting to get back on the field with his teammates.

Banks played the final two games of the season without incident following the surgery to repair the Jones fracture and continued to play in the Senior Bowl without problems, indicating that he is fully recovered from the Jones fracture.

However, in preparing for the Combine the night before the event, Banks suffered another type of foot fracture in the same foot- a fracture of the fourth metatarsal- apparently due at least in part to wearing the wrong type of cleats. He didn’t believe it to be a fracture at the time and continued the next day with drills at the Combine. After running a 5.04” 40-yard dash, he experienced pain that forced him to shut things down.

He was later diagnosed with the foot fracture and had surgery to repair it. This type of foot fracture is not as severe as a Jones fracture and typically has a 3-month recovery period. Just prior to the draft, Banks’ doctor provided a letter to NFL teams indicating that after a CT scan, Banks was on track for a return to full football activities in early June.

Rob Brzezinski said after drafting Banks that the Vikings’ doctors had done their due diligence on Banks’ foot injuries and were not concerned about it. Skol Doc, who is a foot doctor, put out this video in which he discussed Banks’ foot injuries and was similarly not concerned about them or the possibility of reoccurrence.

That also concurs generally with this study of Jones fractures among NFL players which is generally positive regarding outcomes and that reoccurrences happened mostly with players coming back too soon and before the injury was fully healed, although ultimately more study was needed for firmer conclusions overall due to small sample sizes.


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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 9:36:59 AM   
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I think this is 100% Murray's team right now. I kind of hope JJ has some fight in him and earns the backup job. Hopefully we'll be in some favorable positions where JJ can be showcased in some mop-up duty. Trade him for some 2027 picks. Or 1 decent one.

I feel no attachment to him.

KOC keeps insisting they are competing for the job, but I have a hard time believing Murray signed here without some assurances.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 10:09:51 AM   
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I think this is 100% Murray's team right now. I kind of hope JJ has some fight in him and earns the backup job. Hopefully we'll be in some favorable positions where JJ can be showcased in some mop-up duty. Trade him for some 2027 picks. Or 1 decent one.

I feel no attachment to him.

KOC keeps insisting they are competing for the job, but I have a hard time believing Murray signed here without some assurances.


Agree. But if competing and winning the starting job against JJM is anything more than a formality, then Murray needs to retire.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 10:27:30 AM   
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I think this is 100% Murray's team right now. I kind of hope JJ has some fight in him and earns the backup job. Hopefully we'll be in some favorable positions where JJ can be showcased in some mop-up duty. Trade him for some 2027 picks. Or 1 decent one.

I feel no attachment to him.

KOC keeps insisting they are competing for the job, but I have a hard time believing Murray signed here without some assurances.


Agree. But if competing and winning the starting job against JJM is anything more than a formality, then Murray needs to retire.


I am tempering my enthusiasm regarding Murray.
1. he's had injury problems the past couple years. missed a lot of time.
2. he wasn't just given the job by KOC. Some might see this as a formality and cover speak but I see it as Murray isn't good enough to easily and clearly unseat JJM the minutes he signed the contract?
3. he doesn't have the greatest work ethic. remember the whole fiasco about the contractual obligation to study his playbook for so much time everyday?

I am not convinced Murray is the savior some are making him out to be.

I feel better as he has had some success in the NFL and is uniquely gifted athletically, but then so was Joe Webb and Cordarelle Patterson....

I will take a cautiously optimistic approach here because I saw a team last year that was awful at the QB position and had we just had competent QB Play we make the playoffs.

Incidentally, the Colts did NOT pick up Anthony Richardson's 5th year option and if JJM or Murray do not light the world on fire this season, I see the Vikes taking a QB in the draft and signing Richardson. Not that I am excited about Richardson either...just noted KOCs love for the dude.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 10:38:17 AM   
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One more thing on QB news.

Brendan Sorsby, who was predicted to go high in next year's draft may enter the supplemental draft this summer. He's very talented from what I hear, just have to manage a gambling addiction....

Anybody interested in taking a shot at him if he does enter the supplemental draft?

I would go third rounder for him...

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 11:50:43 AM   
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Incidentally, the Colts did NOT pick up Anthony Richardson's 5th year option and if JJM or Murray do not light the world on fire this season, I see the Vikes taking a QB in the draft and signing Richardson. Not that I am excited about Richardson either...just noted KOCs love for the dude.


One of the few guys that is significantly worse than JJM...
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 11:54:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

I think this is 100% Murray's team right now. I kind of hope JJ has some fight in him and earns the backup job. Hopefully we'll be in some favorable positions where JJ can be showcased in some mop-up duty. Trade him for some 2027 picks. Or 1 decent one.

I feel no attachment to him.

KOC keeps insisting they are competing for the job, but I have a hard time believing Murray signed here without some assurances.


Agree. But if competing and winning the starting job against JJM is anything more than a formality, then Murray needs to retire.


I am tempering my enthusiasm regarding Murray.
1. he's had injury problems the past couple years. missed a lot of time.
2. he wasn't just given the job by KOC. Some might see this as a formality and cover speak but I see it as Murray isn't good enough to easily and clearly unseat JJM the minutes he signed the contract?
3. he doesn't have the greatest work ethic. remember the whole fiasco about the contractual obligation to study his playbook for so much time everyday?

I am not convinced Murray is the savior some are making him out to be.

I feel better as he has had some success in the NFL and is uniquely gifted athletically, but then so was Joe Webb and Cordarelle Patterson....

I will take a cautiously optimistic approach here because I saw a team last year that was awful at the QB position and had we just had competent QB Play we make the playoffs.

Incidentally, the Colts did NOT pick up Anthony Richardson's 5th year option and if JJM or Murray do not light the world on fire this season, I see the Vikes taking a QB in the draft and signing Richardson. Not that I am excited about Richardson either...just noted KOCs love for the dude.

1. His injury problems are nothing close to the rate of JJMs injury rate so that's a wash.
2. JJM is competing with Wentz for QB2 plain and simple. And that's no given ... JJ will have to greatly improve to turn that into a battle. I'm sure he'll be given every edge thrown his way to make that happen – the staff is desperate for that to happen. If Murray shows up injured or Underwood's it, that's different. I'm not a Murray fan at all but, regardless of what the coaching staff says, every starter on offense wants Murray to come in and save them from another 2025 season. And JJM to get up to speed in the background.
3. I have no idea about Murray's work ethic ... looking it up just now there are two sides to that debate. It seems like more a maturity thing early ... he was very successful in college and has been streaky successful in the pros. So if he is a Call of Duty freak, he's even more talented than he's shown ... hopefully a change will do him good.

For my money, Murray's average is higher than anybody's current cieling on the roster.Should be fun if nothing else but what I expect is rollercoaster fun, not the euphoria of building success to a SB win this year or the next. Unfortunately, like Cousins and MN Darnold, I've seen Murray crumble in some big moments of games so I'm not sure he's the answer to our problem. If SEA Darnold can evolve, maybe Murray can – just not convinced we have the coaching SEA has.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 2:07:19 PM   
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One more thing on QB news.

Brendan Sorsby, who was predicted to go high in next year's draft may enter the supplemental draft this summer. He's very talented from what I hear, just have to manage a gambling addiction....

Anybody interested in taking a shot at him if he does enter the supplemental draft?

I would go third rounder for him...


The gambling could get much worse with an NFL contract. But, beggars can't be choosers and it is THE premium position so a 3rd is certainly worth discussion.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 5/1/2026 2:14:54 PM   
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Murray.

- Is beyond cheap.
- A great pickup in terms of value and what was out there.
- Has played well at times and isn't on his last leg.
- Might have success playing with the WRs and OL.
- Is a total wild card.
- The NFL is a business to some, a game to others, and entertainment to still others... Murray in Minnesota in 2026 is associated with the latter.
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