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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 9:37:28 AM   
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“Football looks hard for him.”

- Anonymous offensive coach on #Vikings QB JJ McCarthy in @SandoNFL recent poll ranking quarterbacks around the NFL.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/interactive/nfl-quarterback-tiers-insider-rankings-2026/?unlocked_article_code=1.21A.-AUJ.OLYd6AM7xvC_&source=emp_shared_interactive&smid=ta-ios-share

Interesting.

Toughness not translating into durability is a great point.

I also liked… “The head coach and QB coach (Josh McCown) are quarterback snobs because they played the position,” an exec said. “Backup QBs love the fundamentals because it’s their only chance to spend 3-4-5 years in the league. So, the question is, when is their patience going to run out …”

Its a snobbish comment about former backup qbs being qb coach snobs, but rings true.

Maybe JJ will get over the fundamentals / injury hump … might or might not not be with us. KOC MCCOWN seem much more adept at molding off track experienced players than developing new ones.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 10:36:06 AM   
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Man, I heard that JJM sailed 3 consecutive throws over guys heads in a RZ drill that didn't feature any D. If he's missing guys like that still
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 11:02:50 AM   
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He's channeling his inner Josh Freeman with a little Kirk '4th and goal to go so I'll just sail it over everyone's heads' Cousins.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 12:03:09 PM   
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Yeap, def a problem at this point. It's probably all in his head. He's been "9" or the "man" his whole life and this isn't in his script. Darnold 2.0. Great athlete/prospect but needs a change to get his mind right.


What sucks is that we wasted the high-ish pick and won't get anything, of value, back if they decide to cut bait.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 12:09:38 PM   
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As Murray supposedly/ideally ramps up his knowledge of the offense and considering JJM hasn't had a breakthrough, it sounds like it's about time to give Murray the overwhelming majority of first-team snaps. Maybe they've already done that, IDK. Then announce he is going to be the starter.

Agree, a #10 overall pick down the drain.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 12:17:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

“Football looks hard for him.”

- Anonymous offensive coach on #Vikings QB JJ McCarthy in @SandoNFL recent poll ranking quarterbacks around the NFL.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/interactive/nfl-quarterback-tiers-insider-rankings-2026/?unlocked_article_code=1.21A.-AUJ.OLYd6AM7xvC_&source=emp_shared_interactive&smid=ta-ios-share

Interesting.

Toughness not translating into durability is a great point.

I also liked… “The head coach and QB coach (Josh McCown) are quarterback snobs because they played the position,” an exec said. “Backup QBs love the fundamentals because it’s their only chance to spend 3-4-5 years in the league. So, the question is, when is their patience going to run out …”

Its a snobbish comment about former backup qbs being qb coach snobs, but rings true.

Maybe JJ will get over the fundamentals / injury hump … might or might not not be with us. KOC MCCOWN seem much more adept at molding off track experienced players than developing new ones.


So IOW that exec is implying coaches pretty much look for QBs who have the fundamentals down pat to be the backup? Seems so. Because in the usual QB scheme it's 1-Starter, 2-Fundamental veteran who can hang in there for a few games, 3-Boom/bust clipboard holding youngster.

In that sense, we would have 1-Murray, 2-Wentz, 3-JJM.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 1:43:23 PM   
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As Murray supposedly/ideally ramps up his knowledge of the offense and considering JJM hasn't had a breakthrough, it sounds like it's about time to give Murray the overwhelming majority of first-team snaps. Maybe they've already done that, IDK. Then announce he is going to be the starter.

Agree, a #10 overall pick down the drain.

Be interesting to see how Teasley manages this, he’s got the get out of jail card now … wont last long. If JJ doesnt make a significant jump, time to look forward. We might be looking for a starter and development dude next offseason.

God I hope not but surely Teasley would be less at fault and therefore more proactive than either Kwesi / Bzrez. Right?

I myself keep giving JJ backup snaps tc and preseason and hope he flashes something to keep him in the development pipeline brtween #2-3. Sacrificial cow Wentz only needs a few sideline practice snaps before coming in. One of the advantages of having your cieling and floor glued together.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 2:20:36 PM   
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Vikings training camp recap, Day 7: Kyler wows with deep balls, may be separating in QB race

https://bringmethesports.com/vikings-training-camp-recap-day-7-kyler-wows-with-deep-balls-may-be-separating-in-qb-race

Wednesday felt a bit like a turning point in the Vikings’ quarterback competition. In Minnesota’s second padded practice and their longest overall session of this camp so far, Kyler Murray looked every bit like the player Kevin O’Connell and his staff were thrilled to be able to acquire for very little cost in free agency.

J.J. McCarthy wasn’t bad, by any means. He also had some nice throws. But McCarthy just doesn’t appear to be on the same level as Murray when it comes to generating explosive plays, which are huge in any NFL offense. He also appears to be a step behind the eighth-year veteran in terms of processing and decisiveness, despite his experience advantage within O’Connell’s offense.

I don’t necessarily think O’Connell is going to end the QB competition just yet. But after six full-speed practices, which have included two clear wins for Murray and a few very slight wins for McCarthy, I don’t see how the former Michigan star is going to make up enough ground to win this battle. I’d be pretty stunned if Murray isn’t the Vikings’ quarterback on September 13 against the Green Bay Packers.

Kyler wows with the deep ball

It started in a 1-on-1 drill, when Murray lofted a picture-perfect go ball to Justin Jefferson down the right sideline, putting it where only his receiver could go and get it despite Byron Murphy Jr. being in good position. That drew plenty of cheers from a big crowd on hand at TCO Performance Center. Murray followed that up with another accurate ball to Jeshaun Jones, with Isaiah Rodgers covering.

Murray started a bit slow in 7-on-7 with incompletions on his first two reps (one was a good play by Theo Jackson to close on a ball for Tai Felton over the middle). And then he dazzled again. He dropped back, surveyed his options, and lofted a deep post to Jauan Jennings beyond the defense, hitting his target in stride for a touchdown. That was followed by a strike to Jones over the middle.

In 11-on-11, we started to see Murray’s elite quickness become a factor on a designed run and a few scrambles. But first, it was back to the deep ball. Working with the second-team offense against the first-team defense (the Vikings are constantly rotating), Murray launched one up the seam to Felton for yet another long completion and touchdown.

Kyler’s strong day continued in a red zone 11-on-11 period. He hit Jones for a touchdown on a good route combination that seemed to create some confusion among the defense. Later, he fired a bullet into Jennings for a touchdown.

And to cap off the day, the Vikings did a situational period. The offense trailed 21-20 with 1:10 on the clock and one timeout left, needing just a field goal. Murray picked up quick completions to the sideline to T.J. Hockenson and Jefferson. On third down, he scrambled to move the chains. And one play later, he threw into double coverage, then watched as Jefferson made a spectacular play to rise up over both defenders, catch the ball, stay on his feet as they fell, and jog towards the end zone. It was ruled as a touchdown.

McCarthy’s day

Again, it wasn’t a bad day for McCarthy. There was just more inconsistency from a young player who still seems to be in the development phase of his career after missing so much time due to injury in his first two seasons.

McCarthy had a good deep ball of his own to Felton in the 1-on-1 period. In 7-on-7, he threw a strike to Myles Price over the middle and then had a sideline hole shot to Jones in between a couple defenders for a chunk gain. He also threw a bit late for Hockenson, allowing Rodgers to dive and break up the pass. He fired one over Jefferson’s head with Murphy in coverage. And he slightly under-threw Bryson Nesbit on a seam ball, which allowed Jay Ward to get there for the breakup.

In the first 11-on-11 period, it was a lot of run plays and screens during McCarthy’s segment of reps. His one pass downfield, intended for Jefferson, was deflected at the line of scrimmage. In the next period, he threw a ball slightly behind Gavin Bartholomew, then held onto the ball long enough to be inadvertently strip-sacked by Jahvaree Ritzie.

In the red zone period, McCarthy had some good throws but had more reps where it felt like the ball needed to come out quicker. He hit Jennings over the middle. He had a pass broken up by Jackson after a lengthy hold. He was “sacked” by Dallas Turner, who may have been unblocked, then did make a nice throw to Bartholomew for a touchdown.

McCarthy was successful in the situational period. There was a defensive penalty and a quick run play, a short completion to Zavier Scott, an incompletion, and another quick pass to Dontae Fleming that moved the Vikings into field goal range. Practice ended at that point, without an actual kick.

McCarthy has had some solid days in camp and some shakier ones. He hasn’t yet had a day where he has really shined and clearly out-dueled Murray, which is why I think the veteran is starting to separate in this competition.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/minnesota-vikings-discussion-chat-message-board/97977/minnesota-vikings-news-and-links-how-can-we-judge-the-qb-competition
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 2:24:55 PM   
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The Minnesota Vikings completed Day 7 of training camp — their second day in pads at TCO Performance Center — and the quarterback battle between Kyler Murray and J.J. McCarthy is beginning to look less like a competition and more like a coronation. On the latest episode of The Real Forno Show, host Tyler Forness, who was live at TCO, broke down everything Vikings fans need to know alongside co-host Dave Stefano.

Key Points from This Episode:

QB Battle: Murray Pulling Away
— Forness, who has attended the last four practices, said Murray is separating from McCarthy in the areas that matter most: processing speed, consistency, and explosive downfield throws. Murray connected on two deep post touchdowns — a 40-yarder in 7-on-7 and a 60-yarder in team drills. “I think it’s now becoming a matter of time that Kyler Murray is going to be named the starter,” said Forness.

J.J. McCarthy: Best Day, But Not Enough — McCarthy had his sharpest processing day of camp but couldn’t sustain it. “He’ll drop back, he’ll have a really clean process, and he’ll rip a 15-yard out route — but two plays later it feels like it’s unraveling,” Forness noted.

Tai Felton Turning Heads — Forness compared Felton’s emergence to K.J. Osborn’s 2021 breakout. “I’m very impressed with Tai Felton. He’s showcasing a lot.” Felton hauled in a 60-yard touchdown bomb from Murray on a deep post in team drills.

Chuck Demmings Is the Real Deal — The fifth-round rookie cornerback is winning reps against Justin Jefferson. “He is winning against Justin Jefferson... This dude has the perfect brain for a cornerback,” Forness said. Demmings is a legitimate steal.

Demond Claiborne Struggling — The return specialist has logged multiple drops in his first two camp days and was laid out by Jamal Adams. “Very, very unimpressed so far with Demond Claiborne,” Forness said plainly.

Dallas Turner Flashing — The pass rusher tallied multiple pressures and sacks during team drills.

Running Game Looks Different — With Frank Smith brought in to revamp the run game, Forness believes Jordan Mason will eventually earn a larger share of the backfield over Aaron Jones in wide zone sets.

Jordan Addison Thumb Injury — A jammed thumb kept Addison out, but imaging cleared him and it’s not considered serious.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/minnesota-vikings-podcasts/97972/vikings-day-7-surprises-standouts-and-a-qb-race-nearly-run

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 2:29:28 PM   
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Although he still has to make good decisions, Teasley doesn't have any skin in the game WRT having acquired any of the players so that probably doesn't help JJM's case. And because JJM hasn't made a significant leap, his development is going to be stunted. He'll be the guy to enter a game on the fly if/when Murray is injured. That's difficult for anyone let alone him, but the team can't wait for him to develop.

He'll probably light it up in preseason, I mean during the exhibition games. Which is meaningless but will get some fans to clamor he's the real deal.

If, if he can master the fundamentals he might be able to latch on as a career journeyman. But it's a race against the clock because he's not going to be the golden boy #10 draft pick anywhere else.

I thought Brzez did ok as a bizarre fill in. He made cuts to get back from the cap hell trajectory Kwesi established. Don't know if his hands were tied or he had freedom to maneuver but he seemed proactive enough. The draft was, IDK, at least average based purely on projections of course.

True about Wentz lol. Heck, on gamedays he could just hang around a stadium buffet and if a QB is injured he can go suit up and play before the on-field medical huddle and tv timeout end.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 3:34:54 PM   
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In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 3:39:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.



It could have been worse----we could have had Anthony Richardson. Also we are lucky to have Kyler at a million. We could have it worse with a more expensive starter.......the QB room this year total is 13.5-14.5 Million?

Why are we brow beating having JJM as a 2nd string?

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 3:56:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.



It could have been worse----we could have had Anthony Richardson. Also we are lucky to have Kyler at a million. We could have it worse with a more expensive starter.......the QB room this year total is 13.5-14.5 Million?

Why are we brow beating having JJM as a 2nd string?




It's not about how lucky we got that AZ picked up his contract. It's about "wrong" (so far) our QB guru has been. Pointing out that he lauded Richarson is another dagger in his back.

I'm not giving up on him but if JJM flames out and he tries to blame KAM, I'm out for sure. Whether right or wrong, he thumped his chest that the QB stuff was all his.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 4:38:32 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.



It could have been worse----we could have had Anthony Richardson. Also we are lucky to have Kyler at a million. We could have it worse with a more expensive starter.......the QB room this year total is 13.5-14.5 Million?

Why are we brow beating having JJM as a 2nd string?




It's not about how lucky we got that AZ picked up his contract. It's about "wrong" (so far) our QB guru has been. Pointing out that he lauded Richarson is another dagger in his back.

I'm not giving up on him but if JJM flames out and he tries to blame KAM, I'm out for sure. Whether right or wrong, he thumped his chest that the QB stuff was all his.


They tried getting Richardson, Caleb, Daniels, and Maye....

They succeeded in spotting Darnold as a worthy backup also. Hopefully Kyler turns out like Darnold turns out.

JJM was a #10 pick, Ponder was a #12 pick.......what guarantee is there with any QB?

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 4:53:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.



It could have been worse----we could have had Anthony Richardson. Also we are lucky to have Kyler at a million. We could have it worse with a more expensive starter.......the QB room this year total is 13.5-14.5 Million?

Why are we brow beating having JJM as a 2nd string?




It's not about how lucky we got that AZ picked up his contract. It's about "wrong" (so far) our QB guru has been. Pointing out that he lauded Richarson is another dagger in his back.

I'm not giving up on him but if JJM flames out and he tries to blame KAM, I'm out for sure. Whether right or wrong, he thumped his chest that the QB stuff was all his.


They tried getting Richardson, Caleb, Daniels, and Maye....

They succeeded in spotting Darnold as a worthy backup also. Hopefully Kyler turns out like Darnold turns out.

JJM was a #10 pick, Ponder was a #12 pick.......what guarantee is there with any QB?


100% agree but that isn't my point. I'm saying that if the bust train keeps chugging down the tracks, he better own up and not try and blame KAM. Easy excuse but he's made it clear, right or wrong, the QB situation is his to own.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 9:06:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.



It could have been worse----we could have had Anthony Richardson. Also we are lucky to have Kyler at a million. We could have it worse with a more expensive starter.......the QB room this year total is 13.5-14.5 Million?

Why are we brow beating having JJM as a 2nd string?




It's not about how lucky we got that AZ picked up his contract. It's about "wrong" (so far) our QB guru has been. Pointing out that he lauded Richarson is another dagger in his back.

I'm not givingating over up on him but if JJM flames out and he tries to blame KAM, I'm out for sure. Whether right or wrong, he thumped his chest that the QB stuff was all his.


They tried getting Richardson, Caleb, Daniels, and Maye....
They succeeded in spotting Darnold as a worthy backup also. Hopefully Kyler turns out like Darnold turns out.

JJM was a #10 pick, Ponder was a #12 pick.......what guarantee is there with any QB?

We don’t get extra credit for salivating and making calls on draft prospects that all qb needy teams were making calls on.

And yes all picks are gambles … but teams still need to be accountable for their choices on some level. Especially at #10.

We do get credit for taking a chance on Darnold and contributing to his rebuild. Although when we signed him, he seemed like Mullens 2.0. We do get credit for squeezing better quality out of Cousins. There’s also a list of below-adequate back-up qbs here the last four years that stayed that way.

The jury is still out.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 9:17:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.



It could have been worse----we could have had Anthony Richardson. Also we are lucky to have Kyler at a million. We could have it worse with a more expensive starter.......the QB room this year total is 13.5-14.5 Million?

Why are we brow beating having JJM as a 2nd string?




It's not about how lucky we got that AZ picked up his contract. It's about "wrong" (so far) our QB guru has been. Pointing out that he lauded Richarson is another dagger in his back.

I'm not giving up on him but if JJM flames out and he tries to blame KAM, I'm out for sure. Whether right or wrong, he thumped his chest that the QB stuff was all his.


They tried getting Richardson, Caleb, Daniels, and Maye....

They succeeded in spotting Darnold as a worthy backup also. Hopefully Kyler turns out like Darnold turns out.

JJM was a #10 pick, Ponder was a #12 pick.......what guarantee is there with any QB?


100% agree but that isn't my point. I'm saying that if the bust train keeps chugging down the tracks, he better own up and not try and blame KAM. Easy excuse but he's made it clear, right or wrong, the QB situation is his to own.


It would be really interesting to know if KOC wanted Darnold back.
Whether he did or not and agreed or disagreed with KAM on that weighs heavily on how much blame to give each.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/6/2026 9:18:50 PM   
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I'm may be the only nerd who watches HOF game... but these young QBs looking really pretty good... would love to see this level of execution out of JJ in his preseason work.
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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/7/2026 7:56:45 AM   
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It would be really interesting to know if KOC wanted Darnold back.
Whether he did or not and agreed or disagreed with KAM on that weighs heavily on how much blame to give each.

After Queasy was fired, reports were that O'Connell told him that JJ wasn't ready and pushed to keep Darnold or Jones. Queasy was obsessed with having a starting QB on a rookie contract, so he low balled Darnold and wouldn't satisfy Jones that he would be anything more than a short term place holder.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/7/2026 8:07:35 AM   
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Kyler wows with the deep ball

Just to keep this real

- Bomb to Felton (broken coverage vs backups, nobody nearby)
- Bomb to 18 (underthrown badly; WR came to complete stop)
- Bomb to Jennings (no pass rush 7v7)

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/7/2026 9:17:25 AM   
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I'm may be the only nerd who watches HOF game... but these young QBs looking really pretty good... would love to see this level of execution out of JJ in his preseason work.


I wanted them to draft Beck.....

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/7/2026 9:19:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

In the midst of all this "qb comp" stuff, one thing for me:


If Kyler beats out JJM (which seems likely at this point) the media better start asking KOC some pretty damn hard questions. There is no way he can try and pin #10 overall pick/bust on KAM.



It could have been worse----we could have had Anthony Richardson. Also we are lucky to have Kyler at a million. We could have it worse with a more expensive starter.......the QB room this year total is 13.5-14.5 Million?

Why are we brow beating having JJM as a 2nd string?




It's not about how lucky we got that AZ picked up his contract. It's about "wrong" (so far) our QB guru has been. Pointing out that he lauded Richarson is another dagger in his back.

I'm not givingating over up on him but if JJM flames out and he tries to blame KAM, I'm out for sure. Whether right or wrong, he thumped his chest that the QB stuff was all his.


They tried getting Richardson, Caleb, Daniels, and Maye....
They succeeded in spotting Darnold as a worthy backup also. Hopefully Kyler turns out like Darnold turns out.

JJM was a #10 pick, Ponder was a #12 pick.......what guarantee is there with any QB?

We don’t get extra credit for salivating and making calls on draft prospects that all qb needy teams were making calls on.

And yes all picks are gambles … but teams still need to be accountable for their choices on some level. Especially at #10.

We do get credit for taking a chance on Darnold and contributing to his rebuild. Although when we signed him, he seemed like Mullens 2.0. We do get credit for squeezing better quality out of Cousins. There’s also a list of below-adequate back-up qbs here the last four years that stayed that way.

The jury is still out.



No matter what 6 million a year is cheap for a backup.....keep improving the QB room by whatever means.

The HC is most accountable he can be......he won't get fired if he still wins games. If the team wins 4 games this year he will be fired.....if they win 9 or more he won't......the QB drafted 3 years ago doesn't matter.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/7/2026 9:23:20 AM   
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I'm may be the only nerd who watches HOF game... but these young QBs looking really pretty good... would love to see this level of execution out of JJ in his preseason work.


You probably will, but good or bad it means nothing.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/7/2026 9:31:49 AM   
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Kyler wows with the deep ball

Just to keep this real

- Bomb to Felton (broken coverage vs backups, nobody nearby)
- Bomb to 18 (underthrown badly; WR came to complete stop)
- Bomb to Jennings (no pass rush 7v7)

I would visit training camp for years when it was in Mankato. In all of those year, I think the prettiest throws I saw during these drills came from the arm of Tarvaris Jackson. Make of that what you will.

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RE: General Vikes Talkk - 8/7/2026 9:35:21 AM   
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It would be really interesting to know if KOC wanted Darnold back.
Whether he did or not and agreed or disagreed with KAM on that weighs heavily on how much blame to give each.

After Queasy was fired, reports were that O'Connell told him that JJ wasn't ready and pushed to keep Darnold or Jones. Queasy was obsessed with having a starting QB on a rookie contract, so he low balled Darnold and wouldn't satisfy Jones that he would be anything more than a short term place holder.


This. As you allude to, the 'competitive rebuild' requires a cheap QBOTF be slotted in as the starter. But a #10 overall pick is to valuable to pigeon hole into a plan.

As for who to blame, Kwesi was the one shown the door. Whether that is because he wanted JJM or KOC wanted JJM and KAM acquiesced or something else/combination of things, IMO the powers to be decided KAM's future with the team would hinge on how JJM panned out. And after his rookie season they decided they've seen enough and fired KAM. The timing of the firing was strange though as it was after he was extended.

Digging out of the red WRT cap space probably didn't help either so they sent in Butcher Brzez.
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