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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, forgot about Penix.

What makes Phil's QBOTF remarks all the more strange is the timing. A mere 24 hours after JJM is officially relegated to being a backup, Phil labels him as the QBOTF! Benchwarming QBs everywhere, it's time to stand up and proudly crown yourselves!

It could be like a game show:
JJM: I am the QBOTF
Wentz: I am the QBOTF
Brosmer: I am the QBOTF

So contestant, who is the real QBOTF?

Trick question... they ALL are!

Really?
Before he was hurt 2 years ago there was a good chance Darnold was starting instead of him.

Talk about convenient.....the Vikings will be more successful with Murray and JJ with Murray starting this year.

Would you rather not have JJ as backup and Murray not starting?

So remarkably you changed your claim of McCarthy as your "QBOTF" into a bizarre multi-year Vikings QB corps scenario involving Darnold and Murray.


And your accusation veiled as a dumbass question and emoji is a non-starter because Murray was going to start over JJM, rightly so, the moment he signed here.

I've read my posts written since the Murray-to-Minny scenario became a possibility. JJM never entered the equation as being a starter, so stop with your BS. You want to pretend I said something, do the right thing and quote it for once instead of using sly chicken-shit distortions.

The truth is your constant need for Validation: A constant reliance on external praise and attention to maintain a fragile self-esteem.
Bill your narcissism has your self esteem at lower levels the JJM.

Football is a team game yet you constantly point to one player.....so JJM can't be a "QBOTF" similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love because why again?

Murray can be the QB of now and JJM can still be QBOTF even if you if you once again can't accept it....

Pointing to one player? No, I pointed to you and your take on one player.

Here you go again with football being a team game. It just so happens QB is far and away the preeminent position. As such, Murray will be in the spotlight. And given Murray's injury history, the backup QB should be also, to a degree.

You created a strawman by saying JJM's situation "applied just fine to Love and Rodgers for up to 4 years." and is "similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love". No, the two situations are not similar, they are very different. And JJM's situation is not equally "just fine".

Even with posters saying your definition of "QBOTF" is way off, you continue to think you have it all figured out.

That's fine. At least this time part of your reply tried to address the topic. You go on believing your strawman and your alternate definitions.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, forgot about Penix.

What makes Phil's QBOTF remarks all the more strange is the timing. A mere 24 hours after JJM is officially relegated to being a backup, Phil labels him as the QBOTF! Benchwarming QBs everywhere, it's time to stand up and proudly crown yourselves!

It could be like a game show:
JJM: I am the QBOTF
Wentz: I am the QBOTF
Brosmer: I am the QBOTF

So contestant, who is the real QBOTF?

Trick question... they ALL are!

Really?
Before he was hurt 2 years ago there was a good chance Darnold was starting instead of him.

Talk about convenient.....the Vikings will be more successful with Murray and JJ with Murray starting this year.

Would you rather not have JJ as backup and Murray not starting?

So remarkably you changed your claim of McCarthy as your "QBOTF" into a bizarre multi-year Vikings QB corps scenario involving Darnold and Murray.


And your accusation veiled as a dumbass question and emoji is a non-starter because Murray was going to start over JJM, rightly so, the moment he signed here.

I've read my posts written since the Murray-to-Minny scenario became a possibility. JJM never entered the equation as being a starter, so stop with your BS. You want to pretend I said something, do the right thing and quote it for once instead of using sly chicken-shit distortions.

The truth is your constant need for Validation: A constant reliance on external praise and attention to maintain a fragile self-esteem.
Bill your narcissism has your self esteem at lower levels the JJM.

Football is a team game yet you constantly point to one player.....so JJM can't be a "QBOTF" similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love because why again?

Murray can be the QB of now and JJM can still be QBOTF even if you if you once again can't accept it....

Pointing to one player? No, I pointed to you and your take on one player.

Here you go again with football being a team game. It just so happens QB is far and away the preeminent position. As such, Murray will be in the spotlight. And given Murray's injury history, the backup QB should be also, to a degree.

You created a strawman by saying JJM's situation "applied just fine to Love and Rodgers for up to 4 years." and is "similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love". No, the two situations are not similar, they are very different. And JJM's situation is not equally "just fine".

Even with posters saying your definition of "QBOTF" is way off, you continue to think you have it all figured out.

That's fine. At least this time part of your reply tried to address the topic. You go on believing your strawman and your alternate definitions.

The only poster (not posters) saying it is way off is you.....

Your narcissist fixation on a single subject moved from Kwesi to now JJM. It really shouldn't be that way since he is at best the backup QB now.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, forgot about Penix.

What makes Phil's QBOTF remarks all the more strange is the timing. A mere 24 hours after JJM is officially relegated to being a backup, Phil labels him as the QBOTF! Benchwarming QBs everywhere, it's time to stand up and proudly crown yourselves!

It could be like a game show:
JJM: I am the QBOTF
Wentz: I am the QBOTF
Brosmer: I am the QBOTF

So contestant, who is the real QBOTF?

Trick question... they ALL are!

Really?
Before he was hurt 2 years ago there was a good chance Darnold was starting instead of him.

Talk about convenient.....the Vikings will be more successful with Murray and JJ with Murray starting this year.

Would you rather not have JJ as backup and Murray not starting?

So remarkably you changed your claim of McCarthy as your "QBOTF" into a bizarre multi-year Vikings QB corps scenario involving Darnold and Murray.


And your accusation veiled as a dumbass question and emoji is a non-starter because Murray was going to start over JJM, rightly so, the moment he signed here.

I've read my posts written since the Murray-to-Minny scenario became a possibility. JJM never entered the equation as being a starter, so stop with your BS. You want to pretend I said something, do the right thing and quote it for once instead of using sly chicken-shit distortions.

The truth is your constant need for Validation: A constant reliance on external praise and attention to maintain a fragile self-esteem.
Bill your narcissism has your self esteem at lower levels the JJM.

Football is a team game yet you constantly point to one player.....so JJM can't be a "QBOTF" similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love because why again?

Murray can be the QB of now and JJM can still be QBOTF even if you if you once again can't accept it....

Pointing to one player? No, I pointed to you and your take on one player.

Here you go again with football being a team game. It just so happens QB is far and away the preeminent position. As such, Murray will be in the spotlight. And given Murray's injury history, the backup QB should be also, to a degree.

You created a strawman by saying JJM's situation "applied just fine to Love and Rodgers for up to 4 years." and is "similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love". No, the two situations are not similar, they are very different. And JJM's situation is not equally "just fine".

Even with posters saying your definition of "QBOTF" is way off, you continue to think you have it all figured out.

That's fine. At least this time part of your reply tried to address the topic. You go on believing your strawman and your alternate definitions.

The only poster (not posters) saying it is way off is you.....

Your narcissist fixation on a single subject moved from Kwesi to now JJM. It really shouldn't be that way since he is at best the backup QB now.

I won't use other posters quotes to make that point. Like I said, you go on believing your strawman and alternate definitions.

And I haven't moved from your guy Kwesi. Since most of the player acquisitions and current contracts were under his watch, rest assured there will be more posts about him.

Other people who will be the subject of posts include Teasley (later), KOC, Flores, Murray, team stars, and top draft picks. That is because they are important pieces of the team.

Plenty of 'fixations' for you to track as you continue to fixate who I post about!

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ORIGINAL: marty
I agree with giving Kyler starter reps, it is the wise decision at the time, see what he has.
But at the same time, I think it's premature to give up on McCarthy.

IMO the best thing will be Preseason reps for McCarthy. He has to show consistency in his reads and throws and learn how to protect himself.
This is year 3 and we need to know by end of year if he is the QBOTF.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty
I agree with giving Kyler starter reps, it is the wise decision at the time, see what he has.
But at the same time, I think it's premature to give up on McCarthy.

IMO the best thing will be Preseason reps for McCarthy. He has to show consistency in his reads and throws and learn how to protect himself.
This is year 3 and we need to know by end of year if he is the QBOTF.

You mean backup right?

The QBOTF ship has sailed, clearly.

He needs to demonstrate he can rise to the level of a solid backup at this point, who isn’t constantly injured.

Does not mean he can’t claw his way into a starter equation at some point somewhere but first things first.

He just got passed over for the starting gig by the HC that used massive franchise resources to draft him. (albeit as maybe our third or fourth choice in that draft)

Its time to say goodbye to The Plan and move on.

I hope JJ sticks and develops. I honestly do. But I want him to stay the eff out of the way of progress if he isnt contributing as a player. I’m done with his highly drafted potential.

23 year old? Still QBOTF until traded or cut.......QBOTF doesn't mean starter. It applied just fine to Love and Rodgers for up to 4 years.

We needed 3 QBs in 1998. Odds are we need at least 2 this year. He obviously needs more reps.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

JMO but I think there's more to this than it seems. I don't see JJM being here much longer. There's just weird vibes between he and KOC. I have no proof of that. Just a hunch.

That could be very relevant.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, forgot about Penix.

What makes Phil's QBOTF remarks all the more strange is the timing. A mere 24 hours after JJM is officially relegated to being a backup, Phil labels him as the QBOTF! Benchwarming QBs everywhere, it's time to stand up and proudly crown yourselves!

It could be like a game show:
JJM: I am the QBOTF
Wentz: I am the QBOTF
Brosmer: I am the QBOTF

So contestant, who is the real QBOTF?

Trick question... they ALL are!

Really?
Before he was hurt 2 years ago there was a good chance Darnold was starting instead of him.

Talk about convenient.....the Vikings will be more successful with Murray and JJ with Murray starting this year.

Would you rather not have JJ as backup and Murray not starting?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Again, no proof, just a hunch but I think KOC just doesn't like JJM or something about his personality. It started when he missed practice for his kids birth and carried out in his Griddy that he was told not to do.


Yes, he was wildly erratic at times but also had some really nice flashes and you can't question his fire. Still, only 10 starts?? His comp % is a whopping .5% lower than Caleb Williams who the media is fawning over. To me, it all points to something about his personality and not potential.

What really seems weird is how KOC didn't pick it up pre-draft (if, in fact, I'm right).

I don't see it as a personality issue. There are things that KOC can't do with the offense if it isn't fixed. 1) JJM has to get his footwork figured out so you he can complete an out route to the right, 2) he has to process faster, and 3) most importantly he has to learn to protect himself better and be less reckless as a starter as we need him not to miss games.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, forgot about Penix.

What makes Phil's QBOTF remarks all the more strange is the timing. A mere 24 hours after JJM is officially relegated to being a backup, Phil labels him as the QBOTF! Benchwarming QBs everywhere, it's time to stand up and proudly crown yourselves!

It could be like a game show:
JJM: I am the QBOTF
Wentz: I am the QBOTF
Brosmer: I am the QBOTF

So contestant, who is the real QBOTF?

Trick question... they ALL are!

Really?
Before he was hurt 2 years ago there was a good chance Darnold was starting instead of him.

Talk about convenient.....the Vikings will be more successful with Murray and JJ with Murray starting this year.

Would you rather not have JJ as backup and Murray not starting?

So remarkably you changed your claim of McCarthy as your "QBOTF" into a bizarre multi-year Vikings QB corps scenario involving Darnold and Murray.


And your accusation veiled as a dumbass question and emoji is a non-starter because Murray was going to start over JJM, rightly so, the moment he signed here.

I've read my posts written since the Murray-to-Minny scenario became a possibility. JJM never entered the equation as being a starter, so stop with your BS. You want to pretend I said something, do the right thing and quote it for once instead of using sly chicken-shit distortions.

The truth is your constant need for Validation: A constant reliance on external praise and attention to maintain a fragile self-esteem.
Bill your narcissism has your self esteem at lower levels the JJM.

Football is a team game yet you constantly point to one player.....so JJM can't be a "QBOTF" similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love because why again?

Murray can be the QB of now and JJM can still be QBOTF even if you if you once again can't accept it....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Yeah, forgot about Penix.

What makes Phil's QBOTF remarks all the more strange is the timing. A mere 24 hours after JJM is officially relegated to being a backup, Phil labels him as the QBOTF! Benchwarming QBs everywhere, it's time to stand up and proudly crown yourselves!

It could be like a game show:
JJM: I am the QBOTF
Wentz: I am the QBOTF
Brosmer: I am the QBOTF

So contestant, who is the real QBOTF?

Trick question... they ALL are!

Really?
Before he was hurt 2 years ago there was a good chance Darnold was starting instead of him.

Talk about convenient.....the Vikings will be more successful with Murray and JJ with Murray starting this year.

Would you rather not have JJ as backup and Murray not starting?

So remarkably you changed your claim of McCarthy as your "QBOTF" into a bizarre multi-year Vikings QB corps scenario involving Darnold and Murray.


And your accusation veiled as a dumbass question and emoji is a non-starter because Murray was going to start over JJM, rightly so, the moment he signed here.

I've read my posts written since the Murray-to-Minny scenario became a possibility. JJM never entered the equation as being a starter, so stop with your BS. You want to pretend I said something, do the right thing and quote it for once instead of using sly chicken-shit distortions.

The truth is your constant need for Validation: A constant reliance on external praise and attention to maintain a fragile self-esteem.
Bill your narcissism has your self esteem at lower levels the JJM.

Football is a team game yet you constantly point to one player.....so JJM can't be a "QBOTF" similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love because why again?

Murray can be the QB of now and JJM can still be QBOTF even if you if you once again can't accept it....

Pointing to one player? No, I pointed to you and your take on one player.

Here you go again with football being a team game. It just so happens QB is far and away the preeminent position. As such, Murray will be in the spotlight. And given Murray's injury history, the backup QB should be also, to a degree.

You created a strawman by saying JJM's situation "applied just fine to Love and Rodgers for up to 4 years." and is "similar to what Rodgers or Jordan Love". No, the two situations are not similar, they are very different. And JJM's situation is not equally "just fine".

Even with posters saying your definition of "QBOTF" is way off, you continue to think you have it all figured out.

That's fine. At least this time part of your reply tried to address the topic. You go on believing your strawman and your alternate definitions.

The only poster (not posters) saying it is way off is you.....

Your narcissist fixation on a single subject moved from Kwesi to now JJM. It really shouldn't be that way since he is at best the backup QB now.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

The Minnesota Vikings are hosting joint practices with the Baltimore Ravens on Wednesday, August 19, and Thursday, August 20, 2026, from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. (practice begins at noon) at the TCO Performance Center in Eagan, Minnesota.

Preseason Alignment: Coaches usually coordinate these matchups to line up with an already scheduled preseason game against each other, minimizing extra travel.

Kinda lucked out the only home preseason game is against Baltimore. The Ravens were only 8-9 but have enough talent to stress Minny's O and D.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

They can get so much more work in because they more or less script scenarios. Like when one team wants to work on its Red Zone offense and the other team wants to see its own RZ D they just do it vs maybe never seeing it with the right players in preseason games.

Preseason games are ok for the stadium feel, good for FG kickers, and are mostly to tiebreak back end roster battles. Overall, feel like the mostly roster is set except for:

Claiborne v Scott
Bartholomew v Yurosek
Gerhardt v Jurgens
Elijah Williams v ?
Pace v Adams
Batty v Chambliss

Could be other battles depending on the numbers they keep for each position. But those look like the areas where there is a general surplus. And that's excluding a bunch of other invites/walk-ons/etc.

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

Last year KOC gave JJ the first drive for a field goal and that was it. I sure hope he gives Murray more snaps than that. I would guess at least 3 or 4 offensive series depending on how things are going. We can't go into our first game without knowing what we really have like we did last year....