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ORIGINAL: marty

I still think Brad is wrong about McCarthy, and I believe McCarthy is a winner, and do not want him traded.

I think Murray will give us a wild rollercoaster ride, will be wildly good some games, but awful other games. His being short is a problem at times, but the team can still be in games provided the Flore's defense is strong.

I don't really trust Wentz to win as a backup, he has the physical capabilities, but is unlikely to run the ball, and seems to make too many bad plays or comes up short (even though he is plenty tall), there are some reasons he has never led a December or playoff run.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Credible reports are coming out that he's asking for a fresh start somewhere. Not all that surprising. I'm not attached to him in anyway. Woulda been great if he panned out but "meh". It just sucks that we traded up and then wasted the #10 overall pick (if the reports are true).

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Credible reports are coming out that he's asking for a fresh start somewhere. Not all that surprising. I'm not attached to him in anyway. Woulda been great if he panned out but "meh". It just sucks that we traded up and then wasted the #10 overall pick (if the reports are true).

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

I would say that is pretty accurate.

At the end of the day, IMO, we do not have a championship caliber quarterback. Murray will have some moments.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

I would say that is pretty accurate.

At the end of the day, IMO, we do not have a championship caliber quarterback. Murray will have some moments.

Few things about this:
1) So you aren't going to give it 2026 for him to prove it? 2) It was Sam's 8th year when he finally proved he is a top 10 QB......guess which year this is for Kyler (who has been a top 10 QB before)? 3) If you put Kyler and Sam's career stats side by side do you think they are pretty even? 4) The biggest correlation between Kyler and Sam is that most of their career they played for poor teams with many coaching changes and not a QB friendly offense...and when they switched what happened?

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

I would say that is pretty accurate.

At the end of the day, IMO, we do not have a championship caliber quarterback. Murray will have some moments.

Few things about this:
1) So you aren't going to give it 2026 for him to prove it? 2) It was Sam's 8th year when he finally proved he is a top 10 QB......guess which year this is for Kyler (who has been a top 10 QB before)? 3) If you put Kyler and Sam's career stats side by side do you think they are pretty even? 4) The biggest correlation between Kyler and Sam is that most of their career they played for poor teams with many coaching changes and not a QB friendly offense...and when they switched what happened?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

I would say that is pretty accurate.

At the end of the day, IMO, we do not have a championship caliber quarterback. Murray will have some moments.

Few things about this:
1) So you aren't going to give it 2026 for him to prove it? 2) It was Sam's 8th year when he finally proved he is a top 10 QB......guess which year this is for Kyler (who has been a top 10 QB before)? 3) If you put Kyler and Sam's career stats side by side do you think they are pretty even? 4) The biggest correlation between Kyler and Sam is that most of their career they played for poor teams with many coaching changes and not a QB friendly offense...and when they switched what happened?

So your reasoning to refute an opinion about Kyler Murray is based on Sam Darnold, and things to link them into "they" (to include a futuristic link).

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

It looks like we have a game day bot.....

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

I would say that is pretty accurate.

At the end of the day, IMO, we do not have a championship caliber quarterback. Murray will have some moments.

Few things about this:
1) So you aren't going to give it 2026 for him to prove it? 2) It was Sam's 8th year when he finally proved he is a top 10 QB......guess which year this is for Kyler (who has been a top 10 QB before)? 3) If you put Kyler and Sam's career stats side by side do you think they are pretty even? 4) The biggest correlation between Kyler and Sam is that most of their career they played for poor teams with many coaching changes and not a QB friendly offense...and when they switched what happened?

Kyler Murray is an average quarterback who had crazy and unique running skills when he came into the league. Defensive coordinators learned how to defend him and he proved to be an inconsistent passer of the ball. When forced to stay in the pocket he is a below average quarterback. And, he has a bit of a whiny demeanor about him, which leads me to believe he isn't much of a leader.

Hopefully a new environment allows him to grow.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

I would say that is pretty accurate.

At the end of the day, IMO, we do not have a championship caliber quarterback. Murray will have some moments.

Few things about this:
1) So you aren't going to give it 2026 for him to prove it? 2) It was Sam's 8th year when he finally proved he is a top 10 QB......guess which year this is for Kyler (who has been a top 10 QB before)? 3) If you put Kyler and Sam's career stats side by side do you think they are pretty even? 4) The biggest correlation between Kyler and Sam is that most of their career they played for poor teams with many coaching changes and not a QB friendly offense...and when they switched what happened?

So your reasoning to refute an opinion about Kyler Murray is based on Sam Darnold, and things to link them into "they" (to include a futuristic link).

When replying to Brad H.....of course.

When replying to you....facts and stats just make you deflect more.....so thus the combo.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Still going with what I posted March 13, around when we signed Murray:

Prediction: Murray-Mania grows over the summer. KOC will not change his system. Once the games begin Murray will find some early success by going off script like Dobbs did. Defenses will adapt and bottle that up, especially because injuries and age have slowed Murray's running/scrambling ability. Murray will tease and some fans will want to resign him for a fairly large contract based on the age old yet nebulous and fanciful 'just imagine what he could do in his second season here.'

I would say that is pretty accurate.

At the end of the day, IMO, we do not have a championship caliber quarterback. Murray will have some moments.

Few things about this:
1) So you aren't going to give it 2026 for him to prove it? 2) It was Sam's 8th year when he finally proved he is a top 10 QB......guess which year this is for Kyler (who has been a top 10 QB before)? 3) If you put Kyler and Sam's career stats side by side do you think they are pretty even? 4) The biggest correlation between Kyler and Sam is that most of their career they played for poor teams with many coaching changes and not a QB friendly offense...and when they switched what happened?

So your reasoning to refute an opinion about Kyler Murray is based on Sam Darnold, and things to link them into "they" (to include a futuristic link).

When replying to Brad H.....of course.

When replying to you....facts and stats just make you deflect more.....so thus the combo.

I'm sure he thanks you for bolstering his case about Darnold, err 'Sam'.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Pro-Football-Reference career advanced splits (Snap Type; approximates usage via pass attempts + rushes)Shotgun: 1,772 completions on 2,622 attempts + 417 rushes.
Under Center: 202 completions on 319 attempts + 115 rushes.

This is consistent with under center being a small share of his total involvement (especially on dropbacks). Note that these are not pure snap counts of every offensive play, and pistol is not broken out separately (it generally falls under shotgun-style tracking).

pro-football-reference.com

Context by era:
Kingsbury years (2019–2022): Extremely shotgun-heavy (often 90%+), minimal under center.
Petzing/Gannon years (2023–2025 partial): Noticeable increase in under-center snaps (for run game, play-action, and versatility), though still not the majority. Team under-center rates rose, and Murray himself took more of those snaps.
Pistol appears occasionally in reporting (e.g., specific zone-read or condensed looks) but is not a primary alignment for him career-wide.

In short, across his career Kyler Murray has lined up under center only a small fraction of the time (most commonly cited in the mid-single digits to low teens percent), with the large majority of his snaps/dropbacks coming from shotgun (pistol included as a smaller portion of the non-under-center looks). Usage of under center increased later in Arizona but never approached 50%. Data sources can differ slightly by whether they track all snaps, dropbacks only, or pass plays, and by the exact cutoff date.