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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 8:45:17 AM   
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Not crowning him but JJM could have completely wilted and instead played great late.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 8:45:33 AM   
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Was shocked when CHI didn't just kick the last KO out of bounds. 35 or 40 - who cares? Idiot. Smug MFer.



to be fair, Ben Johnson even said after the game he should have kicked it out of bounds. He knew he screwed up. He is a first time head coach. I wouldn't call him smug. I would have called it naive.

It's little details like that that coaches just have to learn the hard way.

If he's really any good, he wont make that mistake again.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 8:54:44 AM   
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My .02

The defense balled all night long. Williams was elusive or we would have sacked him about 9 times.

Williams is not mentally strong once we got into his head in the second half he couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.

JJM looked like a guy playing his first game in the NFL right up until he threw the pick 6. After that, he transformed into a stud. Wasn't a tidy clean game. Jury is still out as this was just one game, but if we have a guy that has no give up, still leading, still fighting after the first half...we may have something special. If Cousins had had a first half like that, we likely would have had no hope of coming back.

Miles Pryce is going to break one at some point this year. Great all game long.

I loved the master strategy of KOC. When Chandler caught the kickoff and looked to the sideline to see what to do and KOC had him run it out....It's a little thing that in the end made it impossible for the Bears to orchestrate a last minute tying FG drive. Little things like that are important in moments like that.

I hope Darrisaw is back soon, because Skule spent most of the night being Schooled

I was getting pretty upset because they weren't containing Williams in the pocket. Beat a guy like that by making him stay put.

But later in the game he kept getting knocked over by his own guys. That's a testament to the interior pressure provided.

Our new guys contributed pretty well last night. Theilen with the 2 pt conversion. Hargrave 2 sacks. Allen plenty of pressure. Wilson taking over when Cashman went down. Kelly Fries and Jackson on the interior oLine,

Pairing a HC, who has spent three years winning one close game after another with a QB with a never say die attitude....Great things could be a coming.

I am trying to temper my enthusiasm because for more than half that game I was thinking it might be a long season...But then that fourth quarter happened.

Bring on the Dirty Birds. JJ can beat his second draft-mate (Penix) in two weeks!


SKOL!!!!!


Seemed more of a case of not screwing up the clock vs a master strategy. The Manning's, Peyton mainly, were covering the kicking options ad nauseum well before Chicago even scored. IMO Chandler was told well ahead of time to run it back if given the opportunity. I don't know why he hesitated so as to check what to do. He needed to get it out of the EZ plain and simple.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 8:59:46 AM   
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I can see Ben Johnson having faith his kicker can kick the ball out of the EZ. But with the new rule (touchbacks to the 35) why not take the certain thing and kick it OOB (ball spotted at the 40)? Guess he learned a lesson.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 9:08:41 AM   
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It remains to be seen how quickly and how far JJM develops.

It was the Bears being the Bears after all, with no secondary and some horrible calls go against them.

Even so, the gumption … the mental response … after throwing a pick six with the game slipping away, with some bad drops by wrs …

this dude has a chance!

Bingo! Also can we try the stuff that worked a little earlier next week? The run run pass punt conservative offense was legendarily terrible. Once the training wheels had to come off he was a whole different qb.


Yeah some time in the 2nd half the average for 3rd down was 8.6 yards. So on average they were gaining 1.4 yards on 1st and 2nd down combined. If a player with the ball did nothing but literally fell forward at the LOS on just one of those downs they would have gained more yards!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 9:19:51 AM   
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Loved what I saw in the 4th quarter. Favorite part of the post-game interview....no thanking of God for making it all possible. Thanked his teammates. That was a breath of fresh and reasonable air.

If he keeps that up, he has a chance at gaining my respect.

Weird you pick that part of it. Does he look like he can pass?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 10:07:00 AM   
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Was shocked when CHI didn't just kick the last KO out of bounds. 35 or 40 - who cares? Idiot. Smug MFer.



to be fair, Ben Johnson even said after the game he should have kicked it out of bounds. He knew he screwed up. He is a first time head coach. I wouldn't call him smug. I would have called it naive.

It's little details like that that coaches just have to learn the hard way.

If he's really any good, he wont make that mistake again.


Not smug in this instance, just in general. To me, he gives off this "I'm the smartest dude in the room" vibe.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 10:09:23 AM   
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Was shocked when CHI didn't just kick the last KO out of bounds. 35 or 40 - who cares? Idiot. Smug MFer.



to be fair, Ben Johnson even said after the game he should have kicked it out of bounds. He knew he screwed up. He is a first time head coach. I wouldn't call him smug. I would have called it naive.

It's little details like that that coaches just have to learn the hard way.

If he's really any good, he wont make that mistake again.


Eh, I'm just some schmo and I was thinking "just kick it OOB. If they return it, you lose the benefit of the two-minute warning." It cost them 40 seconds when there were only 122 left in the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:04:34 AM   
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Loved what I saw in the 4th quarter. Favorite part of the post-game interview....no thanking of God for making it all possible. Thanked his teammates. That was a breath of fresh and reasonable air.

If he keeps that up, he has a chance at gaining my respect.

Weird you pick that part of it. Does he look like he can pass?

I thought it was a decent performance. Not great. Not terrible. I saw some good things. I saw some things I didn't like. The play-calling concerned me more than McCarthy over the first three quarters.

My biggest concern over the first three quarters was pocket awareness, but that is something that should improve over time as he better understands the speed of the game. His internal clock was a bit slow given his time off and lack of experience. His arm strength surprised me a bit. The missed opportunity by JJ on the high pass downfield made my eyes open. I think JJ underestimated how hot the ball was coming. Loved the enthusiasm.

That's an honest assessment. You'll always get it from me. You wouldn't know anything about it, because you aren't honest and lack integrity.

First impression comparison.........Baker Mayfield.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:08:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Loved what I saw in the 4th quarter. Favorite part of the post-game interview....no thanking of God for making it all possible. Thanked his teammates. That was a breath of fresh and reasonable air.

If he keeps that up, he has a chance at gaining my respect.

Weird you pick that part of it. Does he look like he can pass?

I thought it was a decent performance. Not great. Not terrible. I saw some good things. I saw some things I didn't like. The play-calling concerned me more than McCarthy over the first three quarters.

My biggest concern over the first three quarters was pocket awareness, but that is something that should improve over time as he better understands the speed of the game. His internal clock was a bit slow given his time off and lack of experience. His arm strength surprised me a bit. The missed opportunity by JJ on the high pass downfield made my eyes open. I think JJ underestimated how hot the ball was coming. Loved the enthusiasm.

That's an honest assessment. You'll always get it from me. You wouldn't know anything about it, because you aren't honest and lack integrity. .

First impression comparison.........Baker Mayfield.

Arm strength definitely isn't an issue. The high one to Jefferson was extremely fast.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:17:26 AM   
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Wow, people hating on McCarthy because he wasn't perfect in his first NFL game. Comparing him to Ponder?
We handcuffed him in the preseason, and in the first half tonight. Certainly he made some mistakes, but he won this game, and he's going to be our starting QB for a long time. I'm with that.


You were the first guy on the JJ bandwagon. Long before we drafted him.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:18:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

Loved what I saw in the 4th quarter. Favorite part of the post-game interview....no thanking of God for making it all possible. Thanked his teammates. That was a breath of fresh and reasonable air.

If he keeps that up, he has a chance at gaining my respect.

Weird you pick that part of it. Does he look like he can pass?

I thought it was a decent performance. Not great. Not terrible. I saw some good things. I saw some things I didn't like. The play-calling concerned me more than McCarthy over the first three quarters.

My biggest concern over the first three quarters was pocket awareness, but that is something that should improve over time as he better understands the speed of the game. His internal clock was a bit slow given his time off and lack of experience. His arm strength surprised me a bit. The missed opportunity by JJ on the high pass downfield made my eyes open. I think JJ underestimated how hot the ball was coming. Loved the enthusiasm.

That's an honest assessment. You'll always get it from me. You wouldn't know anything about it, because you aren't honest and lack integrity. .

First impression comparison.........Baker Mayfield.

Arm strength definitely isn't an issue. The high one to Jefferson was extremely fast.


Jefferson catches that one 99 out of 100 times under normal circumstances. He really showed the rust of missing time with the hamstring in camp.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:34:40 AM   
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As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

quote:

Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:38:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

Loved what I saw in the 4th quarter. Favorite part of the post-game interview....no thanking of God for making it all possible. Thanked his teammates. That was a breath of fresh and reasonable air.

If he keeps that up, he has a chance at gaining my respect.

Weird you pick that part of it. Does he look like he can pass?

I thought it was a decent performance. Not great. Not terrible. I saw some good things. I saw some things I didn't like. The play-calling concerned me more than McCarthy over the first three quarters.

My biggest concern over the first three quarters was pocket awareness, but that is something that should improve over time as he better understands the speed of the game. His internal clock was a bit slow given his time off and lack of experience. His arm strength surprised me a bit. The missed opportunity by JJ on the high pass downfield made my eyes open. I think JJ underestimated how hot the ball was coming. Loved the enthusiasm.

That's an honest assessment. You'll always get it from me. You wouldn't know anything about it, because you aren't honest and lack integrity.

First impression comparison.........Baker Mayfield.

Give it rest.

You’re only true to tooting your own opinion … for years on end, regardless of how it holds up to reality.

Thats not being honest, its just being a dedicated nuisance.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:43:53 AM   
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"Krauser" is the one commenter at DN that I like to read. Seems to know his stuff:

Great win, so much fun.

Notes from rewatching:

McCarthy was surprisingly accurate. Of the 7 incompletions, 2 were batted down, 1 was hit as thrown (Odeyingbo hit his arm), 3 were drops or receiver failures (Jefferson x2, Thielen -- placement was iffy on the 2 to JJ but he could've and probably should've caught them both), and the 7th was the pick 6, which was accurate but a bad decision. The only other times the ball hit the ground were penalties (2 DPI, one of which was iffy on Nailor, 1 roughing the passer, and 1 illegal hands to the face on the first 2-pt try). He completed 15 throws including the two completions on 2-pt attempts, and they were all well placed -- no bail out catches needed. Downfield accuracy was good: the over route to Nailor just before half was a dot in stride, the deep TD to Jones was dropped into a hole in the coverage, and he hit Jefferson in the hands (though high) in the 4th quarter.

JJM's mobility was a plus, and almost an even bigger plus. Two of the sacks, he got just barely tripped up as he was about to scramble to convert a 3rd down. He did have a successful scramble on the first FG drive, plus the read option TD where he finished through contact to score. He did a nice job of climbing the pocket and resetting to avoid pressure, especially on the TD to Jefferson where he slid to his right as a tackle twist dented the pocket up the middle, before firing a strike to the end zone.

Even aside from the drops, the receivers didn't do nearly as much as we'd expect to help the passing game. Jefferson settled short of the sticks and got tackled short on a 3rd down. Oliver got cut down short of the goal line on the 2-point attempt.

The run game showed some nice variety. They hit their groove in the 4th quarter with some power/counter concepts -- pulling Hockenson and Jackson to the right (on what's probably called a G-H counter) on 2 big runs by Mason. Earlier in the game, they were trying more misdirection and lateral movement that wasn't working but at least it wasn't just duo and mid-zone on repeat. Still, I would've preferred leaning in more to the power run game in short yardage and goal line situations (the 2 point tries). One too many misdirection pass plays, including the 3rd and 1 bailout flag on the DPI vs Nailor, which was supposed to be an orbit-return screen to Jefferson but he slipped trying to change directions at the snap, on the terrible Soldier Field turf. A QB sneak or two wouldn't have hurt.

Both running backs made big plays. Mason was the better runner but Jones played well too, and was excellent as a receiver. Pass blocking in blitz pickup was solid.

The OL was excellent, aside from Skule who was terrible in the first 3 quarters and then pretty good down the stretch. Donovan Jackson hardly allowed a single pressure (PFF charted him with zero, but I thought he was at fault for Odeyingbo hitting JJ's arm, as he came through on a stunt inside) and pushed people around in the run and screen game. Kelly and Fries were solid too. Bears front isn't great but they have a lot of good players, who were fired up in front of the home crowd -- Vikings shutting them down as well as they did was a very good sign. Once Darrisaw gets back to full strength, this could be a top 5 OL in the league.

The DL was excellent too -- aggressive and violent. Hargrave did in fact play nose tackle, and the run defense didn't suffer. Loved the play in the 4th quarter where Redmond stood up Swift at the line and throw him back. Run defense from the edge rushers was very good, including from Turner where that was a weakness last year.

PFF charted Hargrave with 7 pressures, and Jon Allen with 6. That's the impact you want from the expensive free agent signings. LDR and Redmond flashed upfield a couple times, and TID batted a pass. The edge rushers didn't get a lot of clean wins, but if you know what you're watching you'll see they were mostly contain rushing after the first couple of drives -- Caleb burned them (especially Greenard) repeatedly for getting out of their lanes, including on the last near-TD in garbage time. So they were more often trying to push the OL back into Caleb's lap than beat them to either side. And they did that repeatedly especially in the second half -- there were at least 5 plays where Caleb was throwing from an awkward angle with his arm getting hit or nearly so because of the pressure in his face. So while the pressure totals weren't great -- 7 for Greenard (though some of those led directly to negative plays as Caleb broke contain), 2 for Turner, 1 for Van Ginkel -- the pass rush was very effective as the game went on, and helped turn the tide.

Pass coverage was fine for the most part aside from a couple of mistakes downfield in zone (Byron Murphy coming down to the flat and allowing the intermediate completion over his head early, Rodgers dropping the coverage down the sideline to Moore that should've been a TD on the 2-minute drive). Okudah got outmaneuvered by Zaccheus' pre snap movement on one 3rd down in man coverage. He missed a tackle on the lateral play and gave himself a concussion in the process. There were some holes underneath in zone coverage but that's what you get when you blitz a lot, and Caleb was doing great work getting the ball out quickly at unusual angles (especially the pass over the middle in the 4th quarter that he threw sidearm around his center). Theo Jackson had a rough night as a tackler but made a nice play to close in cover 2 in the 4th quarter.

Special teams was unusually good. Wright shanked a punt, Jay Ward took a penalty on a kickoff and the coverage team allowed a couple of decent returns including one as the half ran out. But every other punt was well hit, and coverage was good especially by Felton who had 3 tackles. Wilson partially blocked a punt, after they'd come close to blocking a few Bears punts before that. Reichard made his 59 yarder, while Santos missed from 50 -- that was the difference in the game. And Myles Price looked great as a returner -- quick and decisive, able to make the first man miss.

Coaching also gets a gold star from me. O'Connell showed yet again that he knows how to win close games. He managed the rookie QB through the rocky start and got a great performance out of him down the stretch. Flores dictated to Ben Johnson and Caleb, much more than the other way around. And Daniels had the special teams flying around and playing with an edge.

Team looks even more talented than last year and they're well coached. If JJ can build up his game as the season goes on, they can be a contender.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:50:48 AM   
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As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

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Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.


We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 11:56:30 AM   
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Loved what I saw in the 4th quarter. Favorite part of the post-game interview....no thanking of God for making it all possible. Thanked his teammates. That was a breath of fresh and reasonable air.

If he keeps that up, he has a chance at gaining my respect.

Weird you pick that part of it. Does he look like he can pass?

I thought it was a decent performance. Not great. Not terrible. I saw some good things. I saw some things I didn't like. The play-calling concerned me more than McCarthy over the first three quarters.

My biggest concern over the first three quarters was pocket awareness, but that is something that should improve over time as he better understands the speed of the game. His internal clock was a bit slow given his time off and lack of experience. His arm strength surprised me a bit. The missed opportunity by JJ on the high pass downfield made my eyes open. I think JJ underestimated how hot the ball was coming. Loved the enthusiasm.

That's an honest assessment. You'll always get it from me. You wouldn't know anything about it, because you aren't honest and lack integrity.

First impression comparison.........Baker Mayfield.

lol. You are honest and have integrity? You didn’t display any after last year with Sam. Maybe only one obvious example?
I’d take a Baker Mayfield comparasion as the floor for the 22 year old after his first MNF game, prime time, and his first NFL game. Outside of stats what big games has Baker won?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:02:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

quote:

Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.


We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.


And you need to balance that out with how many injuries we saw this preseason among opther teams.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:04:51 PM   
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After the interception, McCarthy went to his teammates on the sideline and acknowledged his brutal error. He told them that it wouldn’t happen again and they would get back on track.

In the huddle, McCarthy offered the offense the first inspiring thought that came into his head. He shouted out a phrase that he’s never used before in such a situation.

“Where would you rather be?” McCarthy said, (probably unknowingly) channeling Hall of Fame head coach Marv Levy.

“I've never actually said that before, but I feel like it was at the perfect time,” McCarthy said. “Guys were just in their head a little bit, and I feel like…a smile goes a long way. So there was a lot of smiles after I said that, and just a little bit of a perspective shift. Yeah, things weren't going our way, but we're here doing this together and the boys, they responded perfectly.”

His words resonated with the huddle.

“I’m like, you’re F’ing right there’s no place I’d rather be,” running back Aaron Jones said. “I dreamed of this as a little kid so you’re right, let’s F’ing go now.”

“It juiced us up, honestly, to have our quarterback have those words in that way, it was something that we needed,” receiver Justin Jefferson said. “It’s not every time you hear JJ be that type of guy but today when the lights are shining he knows how to come to work and have that dog mentality. He never gave up. He kept going.”

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Throughout the three scoring drives, teammates said that nothing about McCarthy’s demeanor changed. One play at a time, just like his coach preaches.

“He was that constant voice of faith even when things weren’t going our way,” guard Donovan Jackson said.

Jackson, of course, already knew what McCarthy was capable of on the big stage having attended Ohio State.

“Unfortunately, I wasn’t surprised,” Jackson said, laughing.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:05:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

quote:

Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.


We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.

A couple of things bother me. 1) JJ bling so unnecessary 2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead 3) Chicago always having a shitty field when we play there. Same for any speed teams when they play there. Total BS.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:05:10 PM   
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CHICAGO – It only took one game for JJ McCarthy to create the same type of JJ McCarthy lore that we have all heard about from his high school and college days.

It wasn’t just that he led the Vikings to a comeback fourth quarter victory in his first game or that he became the first player in NFL history to have two 10+ yard passing TDs and a 10+ yard rushing TD in the fourth quarter of any game or that he is the first starting QB with a 10+ point 4th quarter comeback in his NFL debut since Steve Young in 1985.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:07:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead


Peyton was saying on that one that JJ waited too long to throw that ball so Jones was closer to the sideline and his momentum carried him OOB. If he throws it sooner, he's able to catch it and turn up field.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:10:20 PM   
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Would not be shocked if he's not back until after the bye.

Ben Goessling

#Vikings linebacker Blake Cashman is scheduled for a MRI on his hamstring today, but the initial expectation is that he’ll miss several weeks.

Cashman pulled up after chasing Caleb Williams on a 13-yard scramble late in the third quarter, and did not return.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:17:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

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Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.


We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.

A couple of things bother me. 1) JJ bling so unnecessary 2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead 3) Chicago always having a shitty field when we play there. Same for any speed teams when they play there. Total BS.

Something we are going to totally agree on. Wearing tons of jewelry around your neck should be stopped by the NFL. Some of the stuff I see being worn in games looks like it could be really dangerous if a guy got hit the wrong way. It's right next to to the damned jugular vein for crying out loud. I'm surprised the NFL even allows it. From a player safety perspective it seems irresponsible.

< Message edited by Brad H -- 9/9/2025 12:20:10 PM >


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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 12:23:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

quote:

Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.


We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.

A couple of things bother me. 1) JJ bling so unnecessary 2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead 3) Chicago always having a shitty field when we play there. Same for any speed teams when they play there. Total BS.

Something we are going to totally agree on. Wearing tons of jewelry around your neck should be stopped by the NFL. Some of the stuff I see being worn in games looks like it could be really dangerous if a guy got hit the wrong way. It's right next to to the damned jugular vein for crying out loud. I'm surprised the NFL even allows it. From a player safety perspective it seems irresponsible.

Since we are being honest and say we have integrity. How did Sam look Sunday and did they make the right move not resigning him?

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 9/9/2025 12:24:58 PM >


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