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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 5:40:59 PM   
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McCarthy was surprisingly accurate. Of the 7 incompletions, 2 were batted down,

Felt like he had a dozen batted down passes

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 5:53:06 PM   
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KOC now has a 27-9 record in one score games.

JJ McCarthy is the first player ever - in the NFL's entire history - to have two 10+ yard passing TDs and one 10+ yard rushing TD in the 4th Quarter of any game.

And he did it on the road. At Soldier Field. On Monday Night Football. In his first ever NFL game.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 5:56:20 PM   
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Can you win Comeback Player of the Week? From first quarter until fourth quarter I nominate J.J. McCarthy.

— Colin Cowherd (@colincowherd) September 9, 2025
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 6:20:53 PM   
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As far as KOC changing up how he handles preseason. I doubt it:

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Ben Johnson famously ran the Bears hard through the summer -- full tackling practices, lots of preseason reps for the starters, MMA clips for the team to watch to put them in a violent frame of mind

But the Vikings beat them up last night -- dominated both lines, hit harder, and finished more plays. If not for Caleb's superman moments in the first half and JJ taking half the game to settle in, the score wouldn't have been close.

KOC is now 3-1 in season openers as a head coach, including 2-0 vs the division and 2-0 on the road. The one loss (2023) was to a good Bucs team by 3 points in a game where they had 3 turnovers. He's not changing his approach.


We were rusty. Playing a bad team that didnt collapse until we got our sea legs.

We were outmuscled and out hit in the first half - into the third qtr.

It wouldnt hurt to be a little more physically prepared for the first game.

Long season, more risk … yes. It seems like a rigid approach though, doesnt matter if you have a QB newbie or 12 yr veteran stepping on to the field.

A couple of things bother me. 1) JJ bling so unnecessary 2) A jones not staying in bounds late in 4th with the lead 3) Chicago always having a shitty field when we play there. Same for any speed teams when they play there. Total BS.

Something we are going to totally agree on. Wearing tons of jewelry around your neck should be stopped by the NFL. Some of the stuff I see being worn in games looks like it could be really dangerous if a guy got hit the wrong way. It's right next to to the damned jugular vein for crying out loud. I'm surprised the NFL even allows it. From a player safety perspective it seems irresponsible.

Since we are being honest and say we have integrity. How did Sam look Sunday and did they make the right move not resigning him?

Looked like a guy playing with a bunch of garbage around him. It's a bad roster in Seattle. He'll struggle.

Again. Second part of the question. Honesty and integrity are important you say—-so was it more for your benefit or enjoyment than anything keeping Sam possibly then? Wentz at 1/40th the cost may be as good?

Sam Darnold won 14 games. The Vikings team I saw last night will win 9-10 games without significant improvement on offense. Thank goodness the Vikings defense and Bears offensive line kept them in the game. Chicago is potentially a 3-5 win team. There won't be any gifts with the Packers and Lions.

Your response lacks both things you claim to have. Kirk as well as Sam weren’t the sole reason they won 13 games. The high cost of both limited how far they could go talent wise as a team and neither is/was a closer like we witnessed last night on the road and national game. Feel free to look back.

SOS and our coaching staff had more to do than Sam or Kirk quarterbacking a 13 win team.

This is the most talented team they have had since the last 2 NFC championship teams.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 9:16:56 PM   
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I see Phildo is fishing for validation again..

Go tend that rhubarb.. I’m sure the state fair pie contest can give you some validation..
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/9/2025 9:23:25 PM   
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I see Phildo is fishing for validation again..

Go tend that rhubarb.. I’m sure the state fair pie contest can give you some validation..


Validation? Look back and see who said they have integrity and honesty. Political choices don’t ever give you either. lol

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 1:18:58 AM  1 votes
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Look, I was born in Minnesota. Most of my relatives still reside there. My immediate family moved us around the US through the years and I wound up in Colorado. The fact is...I was born in MN, most my family is in MN, and I bleed purple, and as painful as it is now, surrounded by Donkey fans, which, btw, are more gracious than Packer or Bears fans are, it is, at times, unbearable... My immediate family converted to KC Chiefdom, which, to me, is as terrible as the Protestant vs Catholic war in our small MN town, which then determined where half of each side of my family was buried. While I stew on that ridiculousness, I argue with my recently converted KC family, why it's blasphemy to leave your birth state team regardless of success rate in the big dance. While I work through all those mental battles, I was extremely irritated again at KOC to not play the starters more in preseason. JJM is not ARogers, he's not Brady, not Marino, he's a rookie, and a rookie with almost no experience. Practicing well against the Patriots, and assuming that's "all I need to see" is ****ing ridiculous. Get reps, if you are worried about injuries, well, like Bridgewater, even practice can be scary. You know, it's not about winning or losing in the preseason but about getting some real game reps before the ones that count actually start. Since we saddled the starters, like many teams, we came out and looked like balls, through 3/4 of the first game and I can only say that not only did the players play like they were in preseason, but the coaches did as well. That was some horrific play calling on both sides of the ball in the first half. But, despite my chagrin, somewhere after the pick 6, JJM decided, enough was enough. Despite some of my angst about his college career, the kid, which IMO has insane discipline for a youngster, decided he, at 22 years old, was going to win the game. And.....he did. I don't know if ultimately he has the physical tools to be a great QB in this league, but what I do like is that he is for the team, and will carry anyone on his back that needs it. I can get behind that attitude, that team spirit, that willingness to do whatever it takes to win, regardless of any physical limitations that might exist. That attitude is almost Jim McMann like, Tom Brady like, succeed just because I will it to be so. I don't know where we'll end up this year. I was a raging lunatic in the first half, cursing all that exists and the woes of being from MN. The 3rd quarter cemented my anger, my panic, my woe. Then, like a small light in the cave of wonders, the 4th quarter began. JJM had the look of those warriors who will win or die trying, and like my old pal Gandolf once said, "It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt, we do not." My dispair turned to hope, then to pride, then to fear of a comeback like many of us oldies have seen in our time. Then, while most of armchair America hoped that we'd return the kick at the end, to get past the 2min warning....KOC, who we constantly bash for lack of game decision awareness...waves an onlooking kick returner, Chandler, to return the kick, even 8 yards deep in the endzone, to burn the time past the 2min warning. I was almost beside myself in disbelief, that our coach might actually have graduated to the next level of game strategy. It's a breath of fresh air. And, even though we couldn't get the first down to seal it, we did burn down the clock enough to make it extremely unlikely that the Bears could drive down enough to tie it up. Good win, great first game for our rookie QB, and I'm hopeful that we may have a QB who may just dare to win, regardless of what anyone tells him. Skol Vikes, let the games begin.... The roller coaster of Vikings fandom has pulled me in again, and put me through the ringer in game 1. But......I love it, and...I hate it.

Unlike Hygge or Lagom and surely not Lykke, I embrace Kalsarikanni fandom, or at least wearing some pants while I brood over uncontrollable events that determine the outcome, week to week, of my tribal desire for my football team to own their contrived, fictitious opponents en route to the ultimate prize, Superbowl winners. My uncle, at 86 years old, does not want to go to assisted living until we win a Superbowl. I can relate. If we win before he's gone, I will celebrate with him, like I was 12, and we'll both be ok with passing on to the next life, with our ultimate bucket list item being marked complete. Rangers did it, Cubs did it, we can do it. Let's get it done. Cheers to all of you fans, no matter your age or your level of bitterness. Ultimately we want the same thing, to be the last one standing at the end. For all of us that watched countless games, with our Dads on Sunday's only to be crushed at year's end....our time will come. As Malcom Forbes said, "Victory is sweetest when you’ve known defeat.” We've seen immeasurable defeat, so victory most certainly....will be sweet.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 8:05:27 AM   
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Look, I was born in Minnesota. Most of my relatives still reside there. My immediate family moved us around the US through the years and I wound up in Colorado. The fact is...I was born in MN, most my family is in MN, and I bleed purple, and as painful as it is now, surrounded by Donkey fans, which, btw, are more gracious than Packer or Bears fans are, it is, at times, unbearable... My immediate family converted to KC Chiefdom, which, to me, is as terrible as the Protestant vs Catholic war in our small MN town, which then determined where half of each side of my family was buried. While I stew on that ridiculousness, I argue with my recently converted KC family, why it's blasphemy to leave your birth state team regardless of success rate in the big dance. While I work through all those mental battles, I was extremely irritated again at KOC to not play the starters more in preseason. JJM is not ARogers, he's not Brady, not Marino, he's a rookie, and a rookie with almost no experience. Practicing well against the Patriots, and assuming that's "all I need to see" is ****ing ridiculous. Get reps, if you are worried about injuries, well, like Bridgewater, even practice can be scary. You know, it's not about winning or losing in the preseason but about getting some real game reps before the ones that count actually start. Since we saddled the starters, like many teams, we came out and looked like balls, through 3/4 of the first game and I can only say that not only did the players play like they were in preseason, but the coaches did as well. That was some horrific play calling on both sides of the ball in the first half. But, despite my chagrin, somewhere after the pick 6, JJM decided, enough was enough. Despite some of my angst about his college career, the kid, which IMO has insane discipline for a youngster, decided he, at 22 years old, was going to win the game. And.....he did. I don't know if ultimately he has the physical tools to be a great QB in this league, but what I do like is that he is for the team, and will carry anyone on his back that needs it. I can get behind that attitude, that team spirit, that willingness to do whatever it takes to win, regardless of any physical limitations that might exist. That attitude is almost Jim McMann like, Tom Brady like, succeed just because I will it to be so. I don't know where we'll end up this year. I was a raging lunatic in the first half, cursing all that exists and the woes of being from MN. The 3rd quarter cemented my anger, my panic, my woe. Then, like a small light in the cave of wonders, the 4th quarter began. JJM had the look of those warriors who will win or die trying, and like my old pal Gandolf once said, "It is not despair, for despair is only for those who see the end beyond all doubt, we do not." My dispair turned to hope, then to pride, then to fear of a comeback like many of us oldies have seen in our time. Then, while most of armchair America hoped that we'd return the kick at the end, to get past the 2min warning....KOC, who we constantly bash for lack of game decision awareness...waves an onlooking kick returner, Chandler, to return the kick, even 8 yards deep in the endzone, to burn the time past the 2min warning. I was almost beside myself in disbelief, that our coach might actually have graduated to the next level of game strategy. It's a breath of fresh air. And, even though we couldn't get the first down to seal it, we did burn down the clock enough to make it extremely unlikely that the Bears could drive down enough to tie it up. Good win, great first game for our rookie QB, and I'm hopeful that we may have a QB who may just dare to win, regardless of what anyone tells him. Skol Vikes, let the games begin.... The roller coaster of Vikings fandom has pulled me in again, and put me through the ringer in game 1. But......I love it, and...I hate it.

Unlike Hygge or Lagom and surely not Lykke, I embrace Kalsarikanni fandom, or at least wearing some pants while I brood over uncontrollable events that determine the outcome, week to week, of my tribal desire for my football team to own their contrived, fictitious opponents en route to the ultimate prize, Superbowl winners. My uncle, at 86 years old, does not want to go to assisted living until we win a Superbowl. I can relate. If we win before he's gone, I will celebrate with him, like I was 12, and we'll both be ok with passing on to the next life, with our ultimate bucket list item being marked complete. Rangers did it, Cubs did it, we can do it. Let's get it done. Cheers to all of you fans, no matter your age or your level of bitterness. Ultimately we want the same thing, to be the last one standing at the end. For all of us that watched countless games, with our Dads on Sunday's only to be crushed at year's end....our time will come. As Malcom Forbes said, "Victory is sweetest when you’ve known defeat.” We've seen immeasurable defeat, so victory most certainly....will be sweet.

Such a great post!!!! One thing I will say is JJ DEFINITELY has the physical tools. The 4th quarter showed me he's also mentally tough! He's got a Canon arm and can run a 4.46. I'm not sure why people in the national media circus ever questioned his physical abilities. All in all GREAT stuff Nate!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 9:03:22 AM   
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Such a great post!!!! One thing I will say is JJ DEFINITELY has the physical tools. The 4th quarter showed me he's also mentally tough! He's got a Canon arm and can run a 4.46. I'm not sure why people in the national media circus ever questioned his physical abilities. All in all GREAT stuff Nate!



About JJ. I understand the one problem the pundits had, that he never played a down in a regular season NFL game and had only played about three drives total in any preseason and he ran an offense that was primarily running at U Mich. BUT. If KOC, who most pundits consider the "QB Whisperer" a guru on getting the most out of their QB, Goes into the draft with nothing but JJ and Brett Rypien on the roster, and post draft passes on an NFL Legend in Aaron Rodgers, then my guess is he saw in practice, and in the meetings, and all throughout the recovery from the knee exactly what this kid was made of. and wasn't worried at all. That's why I wasn't really worried. KOC knew something. and in the fourth quarter we all saw it. JJM is more than just the physical tools. The game isn't overwhelming him. He's got something special.

Might be a bit premature to crown him the franchise guy, but if that 4th Qtr was any indication, the next few years are going to be A LOT of fun.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 10:11:59 AM   
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We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 10:53:00 AM   
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Man, I've been a big fan of his show over the years but I'm starting to scratch my head. What a flip flopper. Butt hurt about us not signing his crush, Darnold. Then it turned into "I'm hearing JJM might be a bust that's why they are thinking about Rodgers and JJM just doesn't have the arm". Now it's this??

And, that quote is real. He gushed about him on his show yesterday.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 10:59:00 AM   
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Can you win Comeback Player of the Week? From first quarter until fourth quarter I nominate J.J. McCarthy.

— Colin Cowherd (@colincowherd) September 9, 2025



Man, I've been a big fan of his show over the years but I'm starting to scratch my head. What a flip flopper. Butt hurt about us not signing his crush, Darnold. Then it turned into "I'm hearing JJM might be a bust that's why they are thinking about Rodgers and JJM just doesn't have the arm". Now it's this??

And, that quote is real. He gushed about him on his show yesterday.


He is just playing both sides and the middle to get people interested....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 11:08:01 AM   
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J.J. McCarthy was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 11:09:19 AM   
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We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

We were out of the game completely. Totally outplayed, outhit, outflanked … stiffer defense tipped the scale enough to pull Williams back to earth. Some good returns and Mason / the OL pounding it also stalled their momentum.

The Bears aren’t good enough to run up the score even when they have complete control of the game.

Once the momentum started to shift, ‘first pick’-super-talented-Williams and ‘fifth qb taken’-leftovers-JJM passed eachother running in opposite directions. Its not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog and all that.

Please dont start dropping the names of the all time greats. We dont know what we have with JJM yet. Right now, he’s somewhere in the Keenum scrappiness range … not as polished as Sam or Kirk, but focused on taking it, not on not losing it.

Which bodes very well for a pseudo-rookie.
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 11:12:29 AM   
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We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

We were out of the game completely. Totally outplayed, outhit, outflanked … stiffer defense tipped the scale enough to pull Williams back to earth. Some good returns and Mason / the OL pounding it also stalled their momentum.

The Bears aren’t good enough to run up the score even when they have complete control of the game.

Once the momentum started to shift, ‘first pick’-super-talented-Williams and ‘fifth qb taken’-leftovers-JJM passed eachother running in opposite directions. Its not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog and all that.

Please dont start dropping the names of the all time greats. We dont know what we have with JJM yet. Right now, he’s somewhere in the Keenum scrappiness range … not as polished as Sam or Kirk, but focused on taking it, not on not losing it.

Which bodes very well for a pseudo-rookie.


FYI, Ill drop any name I care too at any time as it was his first start and on MNF thank you very much.

What did you say about the Steve Young comparason?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:11:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

We were out of the game completely. Totally outplayed, outhit, outflanked … stiffer defense tipped the scale enough to pull Williams back to earth. Some good returns and Mason / the OL pounding it also stalled their momentum.

The Bears aren’t good enough to run up the score even when they have complete control of the game.

Once the momentum started to shift, ‘first pick’-super-talented-Williams and ‘fifth qb taken’-leftovers-JJM passed eachother running in opposite directions. Its not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog and all that.

Please dont start dropping the names of the all time greats. We dont know what we have with JJM yet. Right now, he’s somewhere in the Keenum scrappiness range … not as polished as Sam or Kirk, but focused on taking it, not on not losing it.

Which bodes very well for a pseudo-rookie.


FYI, Ill drop any name I care too at any time as it was his first start and on MNF thank you very much.

What did you say about the Steve Young comparason?

No FYI needed, it goes without saying, I cant stop you from making foolish comments.

Making a specific comment about Young’s first game as a rookie compared to JJM’s, is different than saying JJM is built like the greats after 3 bad / one good quarter of football
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:18:05 PM   
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We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

Guy plays one solid quarter of football and he's already comparing them to Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady and Roethlisberger. And it was against that juggernaut known as the Bears.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:33:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

We were out of the game completely. Totally outplayed, outhit, outflanked … stiffer defense tipped the scale enough to pull Williams back to earth. Some good returns and Mason / the OL pounding it also stalled their momentum.

The Bears aren’t good enough to run up the score even when they have complete control of the game.

Once the momentum started to shift, ‘first pick’-super-talented-Williams and ‘fifth qb taken’-leftovers-JJM passed eachother running in opposite directions. Its not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog and all that.

Please dont start dropping the names of the all time greats. We dont know what we have with JJM yet. Right now, he’s somewhere in the Keenum scrappiness range … not as polished as Sam or Kirk, but focused on taking it, not on not losing it.

Which bodes very well for a pseudo-rookie.


FYI, Ill drop any name I care too at any time as it was his first start and on MNF thank you very much.

What did you say about the Steve Young comparason?

No FYI needed, it goes without saying, I cant stop you from making foolish comments.

Making a specific comment about Young’s first game as a rookie compared to JJM’s, is different than saying JJM is built like the greats after 3 bad / one good quarter of football


You can't stop stupid. He'd be run off many boards with posts like that. In his zeal he forgot Manning... unless Manning doesn't fit his well-researched criteria.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:34:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

We were out of the game completely. Totally outplayed, outhit, outflanked … stiffer defense tipped the scale enough to pull Williams back to earth. Some good returns and Mason / the OL pounding it also stalled their momentum.

The Bears aren’t good enough to run up the score even when they have complete control of the game.

Once the momentum started to shift, ‘first pick’-super-talented-Williams and ‘fifth qb taken’-leftovers-JJM passed eachother running in opposite directions. Its not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog and all that.

Please dont start dropping the names of the all time greats. We dont know what we have with JJM yet. Right now, he’s somewhere in the Keenum scrappiness range … not as polished as Sam or Kirk, but focused on taking it, not on not losing it.

Which bodes very well for a pseudo-rookie.


FYI, Ill drop any name I care too at any time as it was his first start and on MNF thank you very much.

What did you say about the Steve Young comparason?

No FYI needed, it goes without saying, I cant stop you from making foolish comments.

Making a specific comment about Young’s first game as a rookie compared to JJM’s, is different than saying JJM is built like the greats after 3 bad / one good quarter of football


You can't stop stupid. He'd be run off many boards with posts like that. In his zeal he forgot Manning... unless Manning doesn't fit his well-researched criteria.


Manning can't run like JJ....Duh...
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:34:36 PM   
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J.J. McCarthy was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week

#Vikings #Week1

This is a bit rich.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:36:55 PM   
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Which bodes very well for a pseudo-rookie.

I prefer quasi-rookie: "seemingly; apparently but not really."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:37:42 PM   
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We have seen it many times with Mahomes or Brady or Rodgers .....they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic. Another was Big Ben.

Upgrading both lines will help that a ton. We weren't out of the game even with a pick 6.

We were out of the game completely. Totally outplayed, outhit, outflanked … stiffer defense tipped the scale enough to pull Williams back to earth. Some good returns and Mason / the OL pounding it also stalled their momentum.

The Bears aren’t good enough to run up the score even when they have complete control of the game.

Once the momentum started to shift, ‘first pick’-super-talented-Williams and ‘fifth qb taken’-leftovers-JJM passed eachother running in opposite directions. Its not the dog in the fight, its the fight in the dog and all that.

Please dont start dropping the names of the all time greats. We dont know what we have with JJM yet. Right now, he’s somewhere in the Keenum scrappiness range … not as polished as Sam or Kirk, but focused on taking it, not on not losing it.

Which bodes very well for a pseudo-rookie.


FYI, Ill drop any name I care too at any time as it was his first start and on MNF thank you very much.

What did you say about the Steve Young comparason?

No FYI needed, it goes without saying, I cant stop you from making foolish comments.

Making a specific comment about Young’s first game as a rookie compared to JJM’s, is different than saying JJM is built like the greats after 3 bad / one good quarter of football


You can't stop stupid. He'd be run off many boards with posts like that. In his zeal he forgot Manning... unless Manning doesn't fit his well-researched criteria.


Manning can't run like JJ....Duh...


Ah, yes.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:44:16 PM   
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Sean Borman
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J.J. McCarthy was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week

#Vikings #Week1

This is a bit rich.


We have seen it many times with Montana, Favre, Brees, and Rodgers..... they can play horrible for 3.5 quarters and still muster up the 4th quarter magic to garner such an award. Another was Sammy Baugh, err Red Grange.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:47:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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Sean Borman
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J.J. McCarthy was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week

#Vikings #Week1

This is a bit rich.


Who would you pick ahead of him?

There were no great offensive performances in the NFC this week and McCarthy's 4th quarter heroics have been the biggest story in football the past 2 days,
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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/10/2025 12:55:09 PM   
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Sean Borman
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J.J. McCarthy was named NFC Offensive Player of the Week

#Vikings #Week1

This is a bit rich.


Who would you pick ahead of him?

There were no great offensive performances in the NFC this week and McCarthy's 4th quarter heroics have been the biggest story in football the past 2 days,


Stats wise there were a half dozed NFC QBs with better ratings, but the comeback takes the cake.

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