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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/3/2026 4:51:55 PM   
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Bubic to the LAD....Robbie Ray to the Padres. All trades in our wheel house.

Uuugh.


Bubic. Never heard of him. Injured. He likely won't play for LA unless it's an inning during one of Roberts bullpen games in Sept.

More like a reverse DFA transaction.


He was KC best SP when healthy.....

Probably their 7-8 starter but Ohtani, Glasnow, and Snell aren't healthy.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/3/2026 4:55:08 PM   
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Imagine the Vikings have the best record in football in December but could use a talent influx at a high impact position. At the trade deadline, arguably the best player at that position hits the market. Maybe a shutdown CB, a QB, whatever. They can obtain said player without trading a single starter or day one pick. The package probably requires a 2nd rounder, an oft-injured backup who looked great a couple of years ago in the two games he played, and a PS throw in. Even though he is likely a rental, obtaining this player gives them the best chance in the history of the franchise to secure a ring,

At least one person's response is we're x games above .500 so things are just fine.

Sounds just like 14-3.


The Brewers and TB don't have the $$$ even the Twins should have.........

It would be great for both fan bases as they are in the playoffs almost every year.....


So they can't pay Skubal's pro-rated salary for the rest of the season?

Taketh $500 million from the public but giveth nothing when it counts.

Time for Russian oligarchs to start owning some of these teams.


Both made moves this year.......rumor is there isn't a way next year starts on time.


Good. The Dodgers position players can use the rest and less chance for half their pitchers to get injured.

With only one repeat champion this century, the greedy owners will still use competitive balance as a BS excuse for trying to keep more money.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/3/2026 5:07:21 PM   
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Bubic to the LAD....Robbie Ray to the Padres. All trades in our wheel house.

Uuugh.


Bubic. Never heard of him. Injured. He likely won't play for LA unless it's an inning during one of Roberts bullpen games in Sept.

More like a reverse DFA transaction.


He was KC best SP when healthy.....

Probably their 7-8 starter but Ohtani, Glasnow, and Snell aren't healthy.



They literally need two starting rotations due to all the injuries over the past few years so ok on Bubic.

Friedman says Ohtani will likely pitch in October. Glasnow is a mess.

Snell is due back in a week. Interesting about his fingers.

The 33-year-old is hopeful that will allow him to rediscover the best version of himself and no longer force him to compensate for his aching shoulder pain. Or, for that matter, his lingering finger numbness, which he said was caused by the loose bodies in his elbow pressing up against a nerve.

“Once they came out,” he said of his bone chips, which were removed using the revolutionary NanoNeedle surgical procedure, “I was like, ‘Wow, I can feel my fingers.’”

More importantly, he added, “my shoulder pain went completely away,” as well.

So far in his rehab stint, Snell has been pleased with his ability to get swing-and-miss with his fastball at the top of the strike zone, tunnel a steadily improving curveball off it to put hitters away and maintain more consistency with his trademark changeup and slider.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/3/2026 5:08:20 PM   
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Padres get Ray and Mize, shit.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/3/2026 6:52:25 PM   
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Source: #MNTwins are taking on the remainder of Jeff Hoffman's 2026 salary, but Blue Jays are paying a portion of his 2027 salary.

I have a friend who is a die hard Blue Jays fan. He said he would have taken a roll of tape for Hoffman. Anything beyond that is gravy.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 8:29:30 AM   
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Seriously,

What was the point of buying?

Hoffman? Maybe he helps? I can't say he isnt' a good get, but hardly enough. Minter, Kremer, and I suppose you can include Nance...

But seriously? Is the hope to get to the playoffs or to win it all? It might help in a weak division and AL but then you've got to get to the post season then win there. I don't see this helping.


Longterm the team would have been better off trading some of their valuable assets like Jeffers, Clemens, and Larnach and loaded up for the future.

I seriously see this as a major blunder.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 9:38:20 AM   
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https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/dodgers-villains-tarik-skubal-trade-brewers-tigers/

This guy nailed it. I wanted LA to get Skubal mostly because it meant another contender would not have him. That said, sports is a game of inches, luck, etc. so having 10 Skubals doesn't guarantee a single thing.

We could shame an awful lot of teams here (Rays, Cubs, Braves, White Sox, etc.), but let's zero in on those Brewers. Sitting idly as Skubal lands with the back-to-back reigning World Series champs is indefensible from where I sit.

If there was ever a moment absolutely screaming for the Brewers to do absolutely whatever it took to not only acquire Skubal but to make sure the Dodgers didn't, this was it.

The prospect package the Dodgers gave up was light and easily something the Brewers could have handled.

Don't bring up money, either. Skubal is due roughly $10 million and change the rest of the season. The Brewers are gonna draw over 2.5 million fans again this season, not to mention all the potential playoff gates.

At some point, you put the "future" in the backseat and drop the hammer to try and win a World Series right now. This was the time.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 10:10:34 AM   
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Again, I don't know much about baseball but the way teams handle rosters is befuddling.

They either grow or trade for prospects.
Many of these prospects bomb.
Some of these prospects make the team and become good players.
Once they become valuable enough, teams trade these good players - to include those they have control over - for... a new set of prospects.
Rinse and repeat.

One thing that process accomplishes is it creates a dirt cheap roster. More money for cheap ass owners!

And if money was the key, how about those Mets!
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 10:25:25 AM   
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Seriously,

What was the point of buying?

Hoffman? Maybe he helps? I can't say he isnt' a good get, but hardly enough. Minter, Kremer, and I suppose you can include Nance...

But seriously? Is the hope to get to the playoffs or to win it all? It might help in a weak division and AL but then you've got to get to the post season then win there. I don't see this helping.


Longterm the team would have been better off trading some of their valuable assets like Jeffers, Clemens, and Larnach and loaded up for the future.

I seriously see this as a major blunder.


I won't include Clemens in the discussion but Jeffers, Larnach, and Ryan should be in the discussion. What Toronto did is what should be done. They traded Gausmann who is due to be a FA and then traded for Soriano who they now control for 2.5 years and way younger......no matter what that is smart.

Rumor is the Twins were pushing hard to get Neto (Nightengale was reporting it). Who knows how far up the kicking scale that is but Jeffers is gone after this year and Larnach is such a poor defender that no team would trade for him. Our only tradeable assets were Jeffers and Ryan and maybe Ceratini......Clemens is controllable and cheap so he wasn't going any where. Martin isn't worth anything now either.

They will have to DFA Martin or someone else to bring Jenkins up.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 10:27:51 AM   
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Guess having a savvy GM like Andrew Friedman helps. Although when you are seemingly the only bidder it's a lot easier to look good.

Michael Busch was blocked by Freeman at first base and elsewhere. He and Yency Almonte were traded for Zyhir Hope and Jackson Ferris (who is doing well).
Matt Beatty was a benchwarmer. He was traded for 2-way player River Ryan. LA immediately had him focus solely on pitching.

So they got reigning two-time Cy Young award winner Tarik Skubal for just half of the Busch/Almonte trade, a benchwarmer, and a 3rd round pick.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 10:32:29 AM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 10:38:09 AM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.


This was the most the Twins have done to help the team in 10 years before the trade deadline to help the team and they spent 8 million more.......last year was the Titanic.

LAD trade deadline is always like XMas. LAD are the main reason they might not be playing at least the first month or two w/o a salary cap and better revenue sharing.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 11:17:16 AM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.


This was the most the Twins have done to help the team in 10 years before the trade deadline to help the team and they spent 8 million more.......last year was the Titanic.

LAD trade deadline is always like XMas. LAD are the main reason they might not be playing at least the first month or two w/o a salary cap and better revenue sharing.


Always Xmas? Tell me who they got last year. I'll save you the trouble: they acquired catcher Ben Rortvedt and sent catcher Hunter Feduccia to Tampa Bay. And this year none of the contending cowards stepped up to try for Skubal. In a way, yes, that was almost a free gift.

Main reason for the owners likely deciding to have a lockout? Sure, because the Dodgers have won the WS the last 25 years. Such imbalance!

The fact is it's a convenient cover story for cheap-ass owners, and people like you buy into it. Go do some research as to how little some of these tightwads pump back into their teams. All they have to do is tread water and watch the value of their franchises continue to increase tremendously. It's a great gig if you can get it.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 11:22:57 AM   
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Oh, and 'better' revenue sharing?

The "Baseline" Revenue Sharing: Under the current CBA, every single team receives roughly $200 million annually from centralized national media revenue and the league's 48% local revenue-sharing pool. However, small-market owners face intense public criticism because there is no requirement to spend all of this money on the field.

Plus there is the luxury tax: Crucially, Major League Baseball does not force these small-market teams to spend their luxury tax payouts on their active player payroll. Teams can use these received funds for stadium upgrades, minor league development, or general business operations. Hell, the Pohlad's probably secretly thank the Dodgers, Mets, etc for free money!


So on the whine about revenue sharing, it's already in the aggregate billions annually PLUS the owners rigged the system to their advantage whereby revenue sharing money doesn't have to go to the players.

Maybe if the Red McCombs clones fielded competitive teams by reversing just that, they might put more butts in seats then actually make even more money.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 11:24:00 AM   
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While public financial reports from the publicly traded Atlanta Braves reveal that competitive teams often run near net-negative operating margins, team ownership remains incredibly lucrative. Most owners count on the long-term asset appreciation of the franchise—with the average MLB team value doubling over a decade to $2.9 billion—rather than squeezing out annual cash-flow profits.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 12:01:41 PM   
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Have any of the tightwads even tried to sign a top free agent using deferred money? Or is knowing they'll be on the hook for money down the road a bridge too far that they can't bear to stomach?
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 12:12:18 PM   
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Imagine the Vikings have the best record in football in December but could use a talent influx at a high impact position. At the trade deadline, arguably the best player at that position hits the market. Maybe a shutdown CB, a QB, whatever. They can obtain said player without trading a single starter or day one pick. The package probably requires a 2nd rounder, an oft-injured backup who looked great a couple of years ago in the two games he played, and a PS throw in. Even though he is likely a rental, obtaining this player gives them the best chance in the history of the franchise to secure a ring,

At least one person's response is we're x games above .500 so things are just fine.

Sounds just like 14-3.


The Brewers and TB don't have the $$$ even the Twins should have.........

It would be great for both fan bases as they are in the playoffs almost every year.....


So they can't pay Skubal's pro-rated salary for the rest of the season?

Taketh $500 million from the public but giveth nothing when it counts.

Time for Russian oligarchs to start owning some of these teams.


Both made moves this year.......rumor is there isn't a way next year starts on time.



BTW Phil, how do you know the Brewers (and TB) didn't have ~ $10M for the remainder of Skubal's salary? Do you have their financials?

You answered with deflections. Now granted, any moves they made might be what brings them a championship but the topic was acquiring a reigning Cy Young winner.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 12:35:31 PM   
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Seriously,

What was the point of buying?

Hoffman? Maybe he helps? I can't say he isnt' a good get, but hardly enough. Minter, Kremer, and I suppose you can include Nance...

But seriously? Is the hope to get to the playoffs or to win it all? It might help in a weak division and AL but then you've got to get to the post season then win there. I don't see this helping.


Longterm the team would have been better off trading some of their valuable assets like Jeffers, Clemens, and Larnach and loaded up for the future.

I seriously see this as a major blunder.


I won't include Clemens in the discussion but Jeffers, Larnach, and Ryan should be in the discussion. What Toronto did is what should be done. They traded Gausmann who is due to be a FA and then traded for Soriano who they now control for 2.5 years and way younger......no matter what that is smart.

Rumor is the Twins were pushing hard to get Neto (Nightengale was reporting it). Who knows how far up the kicking scale that is but Jeffers is gone after this year and Larnach is such a poor defender that no team would trade for him. Our only tradeable assets were Jeffers and Ryan and maybe Ceratini......Clemens is controllable and cheap so he wasn't going any where. Martin isn't worth anything now either.

They will have to DFA Martin or someone else to bring Jenkins up.



There are a few reasons that I mentioned Clemens.

1. controllable means more value
2. He plays all over the diamond, that versatility is valuable
3. He's having a career year at the plate...He's never been more valuable than now.

It's all moot now...but I would have traded all four of Jeffers, Larnach (DH is a position many teams can use and he's not useless defensively even though it isnt a strength) Clemens and Ryan.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 7:23:36 PM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.


This was the most the Twins have done to help the team in 10 years before the trade deadline to help the team and they spent 8 million more.......last year was the Titanic.

LAD trade deadline is always like XMas. LAD are the main reason they might not be playing at least the first month or two w/o a salary cap and better revenue sharing.


Always Xmas? Tell me who they got last year. I'll save you the trouble: they acquired catcher Ben Rortvedt and sent catcher Hunter Feduccia to Tampa Bay. And this year none of the contending cowards stepped up to try for Skubal. In a way, yes, that was almost a free gift.

Main reason for the owners likely deciding to have a lockout? Sure, because the Dodgers have won the WS the last 25 years. Such imbalance!

The fact is it's a convenient cover story for cheap-ass owners, and people like you buy into it. Go do some research as to how little some of these tightwads pump back into their teams. All they have to do is tread water and watch the value of their franchises continue to increase tremendously. It's a great gig if you can get it.

You know the LAD TV contract is 340 million a year. MN and Milwaukee are about 25-40 million. The LAD have about 300 million more just in that portion. They aren’t all cheap owners because there isn’t revenue sharing or a salary cap like the NBA and NFL. There won’t be baseball most likely in April 2027 because of it.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 7:31:11 PM   
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Seriously,

What was the point of buying?

Hoffman? Maybe he helps? I can't say he isnt' a good get, but hardly enough. Minter, Kremer, and I suppose you can include Nance...

But seriously? Is the hope to get to the playoffs or to win it all? It might help in a weak division and AL but then you've got to get to the post season then win there. I don't see this helping.


Longterm the team would have been better off trading some of their valuable assets like Jeffers, Clemens, and Larnach and loaded up for the future.

I seriously see this as a major blunder.


I won't include Clemens in the discussion but Jeffers, Larnach, and Ryan should be in the discussion. What Toronto did is what should be done. They traded Gausmann who is due to be a FA and then traded for Soriano who they now control for 2.5 years and way younger......no matter what that is smart.

Rumor is the Twins were pushing hard to get Neto (Nightengale was reporting it). Who knows how far up the kicking scale that is but Jeffers is gone after this year and Larnach is such a poor defender that no team would trade for him. Our only tradeable assets were Jeffers and Ryan and maybe Ceratini......Clemens is controllable and cheap so he wasn't going any where. Martin isn't worth anything now either.

They will have to DFA Martin or someone else to bring Jenkins up.



There are a few reasons that I mentioned Clemens.

1. controllable means more value
2. He plays all over the diamond, that versatility is valuable
3. He's having a career year at the plate...He's never been more valuable than now.

It's all moot now...but I would have traded all four of Jeffers, Larnach (DH is a position many teams can use and he's not useless defensively even though it isnt a strength) Clemens and Ryan.

No value out there for Larnach. Abreu was about all that was offered then pulled. Jeffers and Ryan I agree with. Ryan has had bad 2nd half of the year the last two. He has given up two early tonight. Toronto GM did the best job.

If Neto or Detmers could have been acquired that was their worst mistake. Give up two in 5-10 rankings if needed.

LAD had a ton on IL last year. Compared to the Twins trading away 10 on the roster last year……still like Xmas.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 8:22:34 PM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.


This was the most the Twins have done to help the team in 10 years before the trade deadline to help the team and they spent 8 million more.......last year was the Titanic.

LAD trade deadline is always like XMas. LAD are the main reason they might not be playing at least the first month or two w/o a salary cap and better revenue sharing.


Always Xmas? Tell me who they got last year. I'll save you the trouble: they acquired catcher Ben Rortvedt and sent catcher Hunter Feduccia to Tampa Bay. And this year none of the contending cowards stepped up to try for Skubal. In a way, yes, that was almost a free gift.

Main reason for the owners likely deciding to have a lockout? Sure, because the Dodgers have won the WS the last 25 years. Such imbalance!

The fact is it's a convenient cover story for cheap-ass owners, and people like you buy into it. Go do some research as to how little some of these tightwads pump back into their teams. All they have to do is tread water and watch the value of their franchises continue to increase tremendously. It's a great gig if you can get it.

You know the LAD TV contract is 340 million a year. MN and Milwaukee are about 25-40 million. The LAD have about 300 million more just in that portion. They aren’t all cheap owners because there isn’t revenue sharing or a salary cap like the NBA and NFL. There won’t be baseball most likely in April 2027 because of it.


And that relates to the Brewers and other contenders not paying a mere $10M for a Xmas gift (your word of the day) in the form of Skubal how?

Typical Phil living vicariously through the wealthy.

And MLB Front Office Commissioner Phil Riewer now says no baseball until April? OK then! Thanks Commish but I hope it's not until July or August. Imagine an old LA team rested and all the pitchers being healthy!

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 8:25:46 PM   
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Imagine the Vikings have the best record in football in December but could use a talent influx at a high impact position. At the trade deadline, arguably the best player at that position hits the market. Maybe a shutdown CB, a QB, whatever. They can obtain said player without trading a single starter or day one pick. The package probably requires a 2nd rounder, an oft-injured backup who looked great a couple of years ago in the two games he played, and a PS throw in. Even though he is likely a rental, obtaining this player gives them the best chance in the history of the franchise to secure a ring,

At least one person's response is we're x games above .500 so things are just fine.

Sounds just like 14-3.


The Brewers and TB don't have the $$$ even the Twins should have.........

It would be great for both fan bases as they are in the playoffs almost every year.....


So they can't pay Skubal's pro-rated salary for the rest of the season?

Taketh $500 million from the public but giveth nothing when it counts.

Time for Russian oligarchs to start owning some of these teams.


Both made moves this year.......rumor is there isn't a way next year starts on time.



BTW Phil, how do you know the Brewers (and TB) didn't have ~ $10M for the remainder of Skubal's salary? Do you have their financials?

You answered with deflections. Now granted, any moves they made might be what brings them a championship but the topic was acquiring a reigning Cy Young winner.


Bump. IOW you don't know a thing about whether they could have paid Skubal. Typical Phil reach.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 8:27:42 PM   
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Have any of the tightwads even tried to sign a top free agent using deferred money? Or is knowing they'll be on the hook for money down the road a bridge too far that they can't bear to stomach?


Phil?
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 8:44:00 PM   
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I don't have a problem with some financial parity, but there is already $200 million a year per team in revenue sharing plus more sharing with luxury taxes.

Until the MLB owners/grifters create rules to put money towards players and not their pockets, I say f*** em. Naturally they laugh at that as they grow tremendous wealth.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 8:45:34 PM   
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Have any of the tightwads even tried to sign a top free agent using deferred money? Or is knowing they'll be on the hook for money down the road a bridge too far that they can't bear to stomach?


Phil?

Why are they able to? 750 million revenue. They spend 550 million a year and still make 200 million. Twins and Brewers don’t clear 50 million.

Red Sox are making bank this year. They would be a better argument than the Twins or Brewers. You need to have a salary cap floor and max.

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