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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 9:08:51 PM   
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Have any of the tightwads even tried to sign a top free agent using deferred money? Or is knowing they'll be on the hook for money down the road a bridge too far that they can't bear to stomach?


Phil?

Why are they able to? 750 million revenue. They spend 550 million a year and still make 200 million. Twins and Brewers don’t clear 50 million.

Red Sox are making bank this year. They would be a better argument than the Twins or Brewers. You need to have a salary cap floor and max.


So your answer is NO, most all teams' owners won't ok a deferred contract. Nevermind they could make $$$ on the deferred money but that escapes you.

Your introduction of the Red Sox is a red herring as you mash deferred contracts with "the Twins or Brewers".

Siding with greed. That sounds about right for you.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 9:14:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have any of the tightwads even tried to sign a top free agent using deferred money? Or is knowing they'll be on the hook for money down the road a bridge too far that they can't bear to stomach?


Phil?

Why are they able to? 750 million revenue. They spend 550 million a year and still make 200 million. Twins and Brewers don’t clear 50 million.

Red Sox are making bank this year. They would be a better argument than the Twins or Brewers. You need to have a salary cap floor and max.


So your answer is NO, most all teams' owners won't ok a deferred contract. Nevermind they could make $$$ on the deferred money but that escapes you.

Your introduction of the Red Sox is a red herring as you mash deferred contracts with "the Twins or Brewers".

Siding with greed. That sounds about right for you.


I posted why the Dodgers can afford to defer. Now if you said the Red Sox or any top 5 revenue team I would agree with you. The Twins or Brewers?

Maybe even a top 10 revenue team but your stance is a bottom half revenue example. Deflection is the siding with greed comment.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 9:44:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Have any of the tightwads even tried to sign a top free agent using deferred money? Or is knowing they'll be on the hook for money down the road a bridge too far that they can't bear to stomach?


Phil?

Why are they able to? 750 million revenue. They spend 550 million a year and still make 200 million. Twins and Brewers don’t clear 50 million.

Red Sox are making bank this year. They would be a better argument than the Twins or Brewers. You need to have a salary cap floor and max.


So your answer is NO, most all teams' owners won't ok a deferred contract. Nevermind they could make $$$ on the deferred money but that escapes you.

Your introduction of the Red Sox is a red herring as you mash deferred contracts with "the Twins or Brewers".

Siding with greed. That sounds about right for you.


I posted why the Dodgers can afford to defer. Now if you said the Red Sox or any top 5 revenue team I would agree with you. The Twins or Brewers?

Maybe even a top 10 revenue team but your stance is a bottom half revenue example. Deflection is the siding with greed comment.


Any owner can defer. If they were smart and savvy they would. Word is the Dodgers made back Ohtani's contract last year! Merchandise sales, side money from adverts, etc.

And the Brewers are 12th in home attendance. Hardly "bottom half". Naturally you'll not take back your mistaken take on reality.

You are stuck in the 1950s and you'll never budge.

They are too chickenshit and greedy. Far easier to shuffle 'prospects'. And they count on sheep like you.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/4/2026 10:07:09 PM   
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https://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance/_/year/2025

Another example of the Dodgers propping up other owners revenue. Their Away attendance figure ranks 9th amongst league Home attendance.

Of course there is also the Luxury Tax which the poor owners receive but don't have to spend on players.

There is no way the McCombs clones will admit to benefitting from those cash cows.

Greed. It's quite fascinating. More is never enough.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/5/2026 8:37:18 AM   
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The Dodgers road attendance primarily benefits teams in their division that host 3 series. The other teams in the NL and the AL teams that play interleague against them get 3 games. The rest of the AL gets nothing.

A team like the Dodgers who are well into the luxury tax, yet can still add Skubal at the deadline, pay the additional tax and still be more profitable than anyone else is why baseball needs revenue sharing and a salary cap. Bottom feeders who run minimal payroll just to collect luxury tax distribution is baseball needs a salary floor.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/5/2026 10:03:52 AM  2 votes
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Any team (mainly contenders) that can't afford $10M to rent Skubal to have a real shot at winning the WS either needs a new owner or needs to fold. Anything else is a slap in the face to the fanbase.

Revenue sharing and luxury tax sharing, which already exists, need to be used for player salaries and not stadium upgrades or mysterious 'business' expenses. No more getting handed a nine-figure check and deciding to spend it on concession stand expansion so more $15 beers can be sold faster.

Open the books, decide on a minimum percentage of revenue that must be plowed back into entities like player, coach, trainer, scout, etc costs. See how that works for a couple of years then look at a cap/floor.

Good point(s) on the attendance thing.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/5/2026 4:01:47 PM   
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Any team (mainly contenders) that can't afford $10M to rent Skubal to have a real shot at winning the WS either needs a new owner or needs to fold. Anything else is a slap in the face to the fanbase.

Revenue sharing and luxury tax sharing, which already exists, need to be used for player salaries and not stadium upgrades or mysterious 'business' expenses. No more getting handed a nine-figure check and deciding to spend it on concession stand expansion so more $15 beers can be sold faster.

Open the books, decide on a minimum percentage of revenue that must be plowed back into entities like player, coach, trainer, scout, etc costs. See how that works for a couple of years then look at a cap/floor.

Good point(s) on the attendance thing.


You think it is about $10m or deferrals? Both the Brewers and Twins added 10 million during the trade deadline.

Brewers: May 4 Million, Romero 2 Million, Sentazela 4 Million
Twins: Hoffman 4 Million and 12 million next year, Minter 3.5 million, Kremer 1.8 million

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/5/2026 8:56:51 PM   
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Any team (mainly contenders) that can't afford $10M to rent Skubal to have a real shot at winning the WS either needs a new owner or needs to fold. Anything else is a slap in the face to the fanbase.

Revenue sharing and luxury tax sharing, which already exists, need to be used for player salaries and not stadium upgrades or mysterious 'business' expenses. No more getting handed a nine-figure check and deciding to spend it on concession stand expansion so more $15 beers can be sold faster.

Open the books, decide on a minimum percentage of revenue that must be plowed back into entities like player, coach, trainer, scout, etc costs. See how that works for a couple of years then look at a cap/floor.

Good point(s) on the attendance thing.


You think it is about $10m or deferrals? Both the Brewers and Twins added 10 million during the trade deadline.

Brewers: May 4 Million, Romero 2 Million, Sentazela 4 Million
Twins: Hoffman 4 Million and 12 million next year, Minter 3.5 million, Kremer 1.8 million


Woo, an exciting nugget. Too bad they didn't use it on.................... Skubal!

You are as inept as the dumbass owners. They love you.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/5/2026 8:59:16 PM   
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And no it's not $10M or deferrals which you made up. But you go ahead and defend the owners.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 6:19:00 AM   
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And no it's not $10M or deferrals which you made up. But you go ahead and defend the owners.

So your two main points aren’t your key points now? I didn’t pick the Brewers and Twins as examples. lol

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 7:14:34 AM   
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All the new pitchers pitched last night. Held the Royals to 2 runs. The offense on the other hand…

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 8:08:09 AM   
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All the new pitchers pitched last night. Held the Royals to 2 runs. The offense on the other hand…

This offense was due to regress to the mean. They simply don't have the hitters who can sustain a league leading avg with RISP or RISP and 2 outs.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 11:24:23 AM   
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And no it's not $10M or deferrals which you made up. But you go ahead and defend the owners.

So your two main points aren’t your key points now? I didn’t pick the Brewers and Twins as examples. lol


The deferred money thing was a late throw-in. I like piling on when you are the recipient.

For the record, YOU were the one who first brought up the Twins and keep bringing them up. Guilty conscience on your part obviously.

The Brewers were my example of a chicken-shit team. And I expanded that in general to contending teams.

As one article noted, many cheap-ass owners run their business merely to extract profits while some teams like the Dodgers run their team like a real business.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 11:32:10 AM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.


This was the most the Twins have done to help the team in 10 years before the trade deadline to help the team and they spent 8 million more.......last year was the Titanic.

LAD trade deadline is always like XMas. LAD are the main reason they might not be playing at least the first month or two w/o a salary cap and better revenue sharing.


Always Xmas? Tell me who they got last year. I'll save you the trouble: they acquired catcher Ben Rortvedt and sent catcher Hunter Feduccia to Tampa Bay. And this year none of the contending cowards stepped up to try for Skubal. In a way, yes, that was almost a free gift.

Main reason for the owners likely deciding to have a lockout? Sure, because the Dodgers have won the WS the last 25 years. Such imbalance!

The fact is it's a convenient cover story for cheap-ass owners, and people like you buy into it. Go do some research as to how little some of these tightwads pump back into their teams. All they have to do is tread water and watch the value of their franchises continue to increase tremendously. It's a great gig if you can get it.

You know the LAD TV contract is 340 million a year. MN and Milwaukee are about 25-40 million. The LAD have about 300 million more just in that portion. They aren’t all cheap owners because there isn’t revenue sharing or a salary cap like the NBA and NFL. There won’t be baseball most likely in April 2027 because of it.


Typically, you toss around figures but have it all wrong. Basically in a normal year half of their tv money goes to pensions and, once again, other teams via revenue sharing.

As I've said before to you, just sit out anything related to finances and numbers so that you don't look like a fool.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 11:39:50 AM   
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Dodgers are sub .500 since July 1st. Where are all the cries about competitive imbalance?

Like I said, it's a convenient rallying cry for the McCombs clones to further pad their wallets and purses.

As Rich Hill said, if there will be caps on what amounts to player salaries, how about we cap the owners. The price of concessions. Capped. Ticket prices. Capped.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 11:59:44 AM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.


This was the most the Twins have done to help the team in 10 years before the trade deadline to help the team and they spent 8 million more.......last year was the Titanic.

LAD trade deadline is always like XMas. LAD are the main reason they might not be playing at least the first month or two w/o a salary cap and better revenue sharing.


Always Xmas? Tell me who they got last year. I'll save you the trouble: they acquired catcher Ben Rortvedt and sent catcher Hunter Feduccia to Tampa Bay. And this year none of the contending cowards stepped up to try for Skubal. In a way, yes, that was almost a free gift.

Main reason for the owners likely deciding to have a lockout? Sure, because the Dodgers have won the WS the last 25 years. Such imbalance!

The fact is it's a convenient cover story for cheap-ass owners, and people like you buy into it. Go do some research as to how little some of these tightwads pump back into their teams. All they have to do is tread water and watch the value of their franchises continue to increase tremendously. It's a great gig if you can get it.

You know the LAD TV contract is 340 million a year. MN and Milwaukee are about 25-40 million. The LAD have about 300 million more just in that portion. They aren’t all cheap owners because there isn’t revenue sharing or a salary cap like the NBA and NFL. There won’t be baseball most likely in April 2027 because of it.


Typically, you toss around figures but have it all wrong. Basically in a normal year half of their tv money goes to pensions and, once again, other teams via revenue sharing.

As I've said before to you, just sit out anything related to finances and numbers so that you don't look like a fool.


Google who clears the most $$$ in revenue, sales, and what goes into their pocket. LAD lead all three and clear $200 million. The numbers for the Brewers is at best a 1/2 to a third worse w/o deferrals, or any reason you want to give.

You are the one looking foolish.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 12:34:33 PM   
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Back to Twins Talk. I think MLB is strange and tied to the Titanic, because rearranging the deck chairs seems to be key.


This was the most the Twins have done to help the team in 10 years before the trade deadline to help the team and they spent 8 million more.......last year was the Titanic.

LAD trade deadline is always like XMas. LAD are the main reason they might not be playing at least the first month or two w/o a salary cap and better revenue sharing.


Always Xmas? Tell me who they got last year. I'll save you the trouble: they acquired catcher Ben Rortvedt and sent catcher Hunter Feduccia to Tampa Bay. And this year none of the contending cowards stepped up to try for Skubal. In a way, yes, that was almost a free gift.

Main reason for the owners likely deciding to have a lockout? Sure, because the Dodgers have won the WS the last 25 years. Such imbalance!

The fact is it's a convenient cover story for cheap-ass owners, and people like you buy into it. Go do some research as to how little some of these tightwads pump back into their teams. All they have to do is tread water and watch the value of their franchises continue to increase tremendously. It's a great gig if you can get it.

You know the LAD TV contract is 340 million a year. MN and Milwaukee are about 25-40 million. The LAD have about 300 million more just in that portion. They aren’t all cheap owners because there isn’t revenue sharing or a salary cap like the NBA and NFL. There won’t be baseball most likely in April 2027 because of it.


Typically, you toss around figures but have it all wrong. Basically in a normal year half of their tv money goes to pensions and, once again, other teams via revenue sharing.

As I've said before to you, just sit out anything related to finances and numbers so that you don't look like a fool.


Google who clears the most $$$ in revenue, sales, and what goes into their pocket. LAD lead all three and clear $200 million. The numbers for the Brewers is at best a 1/2 to a third worse w/o deferrals, or any reason you want to give.

You are the one looking foolish.


Percentage wise, the Dodgers are, or were at least in 2024/2025 or so, second in percentage of revenue plowed back into players. Looks like you need to do some googling about where the money actually goes. The LAD owners could easily behave like the cheap-o owners and say screw the product, and lock-in enormous profits. Instead, they see that as a losing proposition.

The adage it's not how much you make but how you spend it rings true in the case of MLB.

The cheap-ass owners could take that cue and incrementally/over the years add better players, which creates more sellouts, etc in an UPWARD cycle instead of relying on revenue sharing handouts they spend on things like stadium upgrades.

LA is an attractive destination. It has a diverse population. The team smartly imbeds itself into baseball in countries like Japan. It values the importance of a top farm system. The GM knows when to use prospects rather than play musical chairs with them. The GM knows when to buy low like with that injured KC pitcher you mentioned. Muncy, Will Smith, Pages... they were acquired off the scrapheap or like the 300th player drafted that year. They strive to improve all aspects of the team/business. Yet even with all that, they could easily get eliminated in the first post-season series they play.

So stop your whining and distortions. People like you should be demanding owners spend more or sell the team to someone who will.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 12:37:40 PM   
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So Phil states "The LAD have about 300 million more just in that portion." (tv contract deltas). I pointed out the actual figure is about half. Does he correct himself? Nope. He just slides merrily along into another rabbit hole.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 12:47:06 PM   
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Phil, your mindset mimics what's wrong with America today. Corporations acquire companies, bleed them dry in pursuit of lining their pockets, have the audacity to say things are not fair, while still working tirelessly to keep a structure based in part on handouts and breaks. The end result is a crappier product for the public because there are no checks and balances on these greedy entities.

They say baseball is timeless. In the case of owners not accepting or being willing to adapt to big money professional sports while they behave as if they are in the 1950s and skim off their stupid fanbases, that's definitely true.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 3:34:13 PM   
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So Phil states "The LAD have about 300 million more just in that portion." (tv contract deltas). I pointed out the actual figure is about half. Does he correct himself? Nope. He just slides merrily along into another rabbit hole.


From Google:

Summary:
LAD TV contract. 340 million. LAD total revenue.....750 million (others say a billion below). LAD total spend is 450-550 million.

Brewers. TV Contract 34 million. Total Revenue 335 million. Total spend 300 million.


The Milwaukee Brewers’ recent local TV contract was reported at around $34–35 million per year, with a roughly $20 million net negative impact (lost rights fees plus higher production costs) in 2026 after moving in-house with MLB. Exact total team spend and profit figures are not publicly disclosed in detail.

Payroll:
Team revenue: Approximately $335 million in 2024 (per Forbes/Sportico/Statista figures; ranked mid-to-lower in MLB).

Payroll: Recent figures include roughly $141–163 million range in recent seasons (e.g., ~$141.5 million luxury-tax payroll after a cut post-2024; 2026 Opening Day estimates around $133 million, ranking near the bottom half of MLB). The team has emphasized operating near break-even while competing.

Sources for the Dodgers:
Dodgers local TV contract (SportsNet LA / Spectrum): 25-year deal originally with Time Warner Cable (now Charter/Spectrum), valued at ~$8.35 billion total, running roughly 2014–2038/2039. Average annual value is about $334 million. Payments started lower and escalate; recent/current figures are around $320 million (e.g., 2026), rising to more than $500 million in the final year(s). Newsweek

Total spend (player-related): The Dodgers have the highest payrolls in MLB. For 2025 (back-to-back World Series year), final competitive balance tax (CBT) payroll was ~$417.3 million, with a record luxury tax bill of ~$169.4 million, for a combined ~$515–587 million depending on exact definitions (actual cash payroll lower due to deferrals; one breakdown cited ~$345 million salaries + tax). Opening-day or mid-season estimates were in the mid-to-high $300 millions for CBT. Projections for 2026 were already high (e.g., ~$300M+ CBT early, with totals including tax projected near or above prior records). Forbes listed 2025 player expenses (salaries + benefits/bonuses) at ~$402 million.


Revenue and profit/operating income: Gross revenue reached an estimated $1 billion+ in one recent accounting (first MLB team to do so; Sportico), with other figures around $850–900 million (Forbes ~$850 million for 2025, net of certain items). Local TV is a major driver alongside strong gate/ticket revenue (boosted by stars like Ohtani), sponsorships, etc. Forbes.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 3:36:17 PM   
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In the end you are saying the Brewers owners making 35 million a year is greedy compared to the 200-300 million a year or way more (depending who is looking) the LAD owners make......



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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 5:17:52 PM   
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In the end you are saying the Brewers owners making 35 million a year is greedy compared to the 200-300 million a year or way more (depending who is looking) the LAD owners make......




Nothing except greed is stopping the Brewers majority owner Mark Somebody from bringing in more partners like LA did. The only time he dabbled in a big money transaction is when he got the public to revamp the stadium to the tune of a half-billion dollars.

"In the end" , just like at the beginning, I'm laughing at them for blowing $10M on some has-been and never-was types and being too chickenshit/stupid for not using the same money on Skubal while beating LAs offer.


<<< That's me laughing. Now I just hope they don't beat the Dodgers.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 5:40:23 PM   
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It's just amazing how in baseball any team can win in the postseason at any time. Or how things turn on a dime. Yankees blowing up in the 5th inning in Game 5. Blue Jays just inches from winning last October, a couple of times. Yamamoto coming in on zero days rest with the WS on the line because they had nobody else. Rojas and Pages (cheap players) making plays of their lives.

And you have people like the smallish-market Padres GM who is not one of the ballless wonders. He created an expensive roster, but has gone through like 3 ownership challenges, and has no prospects to speak of but puts more chips in and adds two good starters at the deadline to go along with King and a lights-out bullpen.



But baseball is ruined cry the Phils. We must have a cap he bellows forth. So how come the Mets didn't compete? After all, THEY were first in player spending. How come the rich Yankees are not even leading their division and some two-bit team is?

Fact is, baseball is doing great. And the owners know it. Revenue sharing has never been better! Not satisfied, they believe it's the opportune time to put a limit on spending money on those pesky players. Have a work stoppage until they see the money stops flowing into their wallets. But it better be a long stoppage because, again, LAs aged team could really use it.

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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 5:49:24 PM   
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CBT lol. A fancy term for nine-figure welfare payments to greedy schmucks.
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RE: General Twins Talk - 8/6/2026 9:29:24 PM   
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