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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:01:44 AM

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And for what it's worth, the Chiefs have beaten the Jets, Chargers, Raiders, Dolphins and Colts for five of their six wins. Seriously, that has to be the easiest schedule in the NFL so far.

If they had played the Seahawks schedule they'd be struggling. In fact, they played Seattle and got smoked. Phil has a short memory.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:04:52 AM

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Herbert is a generational talent. And yet, we have people suggesting Geno Smith. And we wonder why we don't win.

Was at one time considered a generational talent. Sam Darnold we signed for 10 million and was also considered a generational talent at one time.
I am not suggesting Geno Smith.....I am also not suggesting trading away the farm for a QB with a broken left hand.

A solid business decision isn't trading for a 50 million a year QB who is bottom 3 in performance this year and has a broken hand.

JT/Pollard and Sanders. That I could go for.

Sanders?

REally?

Just throw in the towel now if we go that route. Don't bother. Save the picks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:06:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Herbert is a generational talent. And yet, we have people suggesting Geno Smith. And we wonder why we don't win.

Was at one time considered a generational talent. Sam Darnold we signed for 10 million and was also considered a generational talent at one time.
I am not suggesting Geno Smith.....I am also not suggesting trading away the farm for a QB with a broken left hand.

A solid business decision isn't trading for a 50 million a year QB who is bottom 3 in performance this year and has a broken hand.

JT/Pollard and Sanders. That I could go for.

Sanders?

REally?

Just throw in the towel now if we go that route. Don't bother. Save the picks.

Exactly. Because of course, Sanders has such a proven track record.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:08:17 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Herbert is a generational talent. And yet, we have people suggesting Geno Smith. And we wonder why we don't win.

Was at one time considered a generational talent. Sam Darnold we signed for 10 million and was also considered a generational talent at one time.
I am not suggesting Geno Smith.....I am also not suggesting trading away the farm for a QB with a broken left hand.

A solid business decision isn't trading for a 50 million a year QB who is bottom 3 in performance this year and has a broken hand.

JT/Pollard and Sanders. That I could go for.

Sanders?

REally?

Just throw in the towel now if we go that route. Don't bother. Save the picks.

Exactly. Because of course, Sanders has such a proven track record.

Sanders holds the ball a lot. Probably a perfect prediction for KOC to covet but I want no part of it.

Agreed on save the picks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:10:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Herbert is a generational talent. And yet, we have people suggesting Geno Smith. And we wonder why we don't win.

Was at one time considered a generational talent. Sam Darnold we signed for 10 million and was also considered a generational talent at one time.
I am not suggesting Geno Smith.....I am also not suggesting trading away the farm for a QB with a broken left hand.

A solid business decision isn't trading for a 50 million a year QB who is bottom 3 in performance this year and has a broken hand.

JT/Pollard and Sanders. That I could go for.

Sanders?

REally?

Just throw in the towel now if we go that route. Don't bother. Save the picks.

Exactly. Because of course, Sanders has such a proven track record.

Sanders holds the ball a lot. Probably a perfect prediction for KOC to covet but I want no part of it.

Agreed on save the picks.

Sanders is a silly suggestion. If I'm offering anybody on that team it's Deshaun Watson. And I'm not offering Deshaun Watson.

Phil is in way over his head in this conversation. However, that's a pattern that has been going on for years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:11:33 AM

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Trying to throw shade at a team that won the Super Bowl last season seems pointless.

If this team won just one I would finally know what it feels like. KOC isnt going to ever win a playoff game.

Thats my not so hot take.

Not throwing shade...just an example how just any QB isn't going to fix it.
Walker being gone has hurt.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:13:09 AM

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If you think Sanders holds the ball a lot now just wait until he's confused into complete paralysis by the ridiculous KOC offense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:14:55 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Herbert is a generational talent. And yet, we have people suggesting Geno Smith. And we wonder why we don't win.

Was at one time considered a generational talent. Sam Darnold we signed for 10 million and was also considered a generational talent at one time.
I am not suggesting Geno Smith.....I am also not suggesting trading away the farm for a QB with a broken left hand.

A solid business decision isn't trading for a 50 million a year QB who is bottom 3 in performance this year and has a broken hand.

JT/Pollard and Sanders. That I could go for.

Sanders?

REally?

Just throw in the towel now if we go that route. Don't bother. Save the picks.

Exactly. Because of course, Sanders has such a proven track record.

Sanders holds the ball a lot. Probably a perfect prediction for KOC to covet but I want no part of it.

Agreed on save the picks.

Sanders is a silly suggestion. If I'm offering anybody on that team it's Deshaun Watson. And I'm not offering Deshaun Watson.

Phil is in way over his head in this conversation. However, that's a pattern that has been going on for years.

Way over my head?
How has the Vikings running game been? Seahawks running game and defense is what won them the Super Bowl---the last playoff game of the year. That is what you are comparing them too.

You think just Herbert is the fix at 80 million over the next 2 years while giving up 2-3 1sts?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:15:22 AM

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Herbert or nothing. Those are the only real options.

I would go for Herbert, but that's just me....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:19:13 AM

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Herbert or nothing. Those are the only real options.

I would go for Herbert, but that's just me....

At what cost? 80 million salary over next 2 years, a broken hand currently, and at the cost of 2-3 1sts?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:19:18 AM

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The only thing worse than the performance from our offensive coordinator and quarterback last night was honoring Adrian Peterson.

I think they should have honored Peterson's son by allowing the son to hit him with a "wooden switch" in front of 80,000 people. The guy is one of the worst human beings alive, and reportedly about $12-million in debt.

Can you imagine beating your 4-year old kid with a stick? Worse yet, can you imagine putting him in your ring of honor?

How does a guy make close to $125-million in salary and endorsements and turn up broke within six years. You gotta be pretty fuc&in dumb!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:21:32 AM

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The only thing worse than the performance from our offensive coordinator and quarterback last night was honoring Adrian Peterson.

I think they should have honored Peterson's son by allowing the son to hit him with a "wooden switch" in front of 80,000 people. The guy is one of the worst human beings alive, and reportedly about $12-million in debt.

Fitting that they honored a fumbling turd by showing us a fumbling turd collectively on offense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:22:33 AM

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Herbert or nothing. Those are the only real options.

I would go for Herbert, but that's just me....

At what cost? 80 million salary over next 2 years, a broken hand currently, and at the cost of 2-3 1sts?

You'd have to trade Jefferson no doubt. It's not like he's moving the needle anyways.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:23:14 AM

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Herbert or nothing. Those are the only real options.

I would go for Herbert, but that's just me....

At what cost? 80 million salary over next 2 years, a broken hand currently, and at the cost of 2-3 1sts?

Do you want to win? I do.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:28:00 AM

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Herbert or nothing. Those are the only real options.
I would go for Herbert, but that's just me....

At what cost? 80 million salary over next 2 years, a broken hand currently, and at the cost of 2-3 1sts?

Do you want to win? I do.

Herbert has performed all season as Wentz did last night.....so it isn't a given at that cost. He is ranked 30th for the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:28:21 AM

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If I were a GM, I'd make two moves. I'd bite the bullet and spend what it takes to get Herbert. I'd also make a trade for Braelon Allen of the Jets. It's time! Aaron Jones is an old man. The other guy is mediocre, at-best.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:29:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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Herbert or nothing. Those are the only real options.
I would go for Herbert, but that's just me....

At what cost? 80 million salary over next 2 years, a broken hand currently, and at the cost of 2-3 1sts?

Do you want to win? I do.

Herbert has performed all season as Wentz did last night.....so it isn't a given at that cost. He is ranked 30th for the season.

Small sample size. Herbert is a generational talent. He's in an impossible situation right now.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:32:53 AM

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If you get Herbert you definitely can't have KOC coaching him. These guys all look like they're lost running this ridiculous offense.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:33:34 AM

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If you get Herbert you definitely can't have KOC coaching him. These guys all look like they're lost running this ridiculous offense.

He's the one guy with a quick enough release and strong enough arm to pull it off.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:36:45 AM

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If you get Herbert you definitely can't have KOC coaching him. These guys all look like they're lost running this ridiculous offense.

He's the one guy with a quick enough release and strong enough arm to pull it off.

The offense won't change. I never see any slants. All slow developing long routes.

This offense is doomed in this current state. I don't even think Herbert is gonna change it under his tutelage.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:38:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Herbert is a generational talent. And yet, we have people suggesting Geno Smith. And we wonder why we don't win.

Was at one time considered a generational talent. Sam Darnold we signed for 10 million and was also considered a generational talent at one time.
I am not suggesting Geno Smith.....I am also not suggesting trading away the farm for a QB with a broken left hand.

A solid business decision isn't trading for a 50 million a year QB who is bottom 3 in performance this year and has a broken hand.

JT/Pollard and Sanders. That I could go for.

Sanders?

REally?

Just throw in the towel now if we go that route. Don't bother. Save the picks.

Exactly. Because of course, Sanders has such a proven track record.

Trade for Sanders and I’m done.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:38:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

If you get Herbert you definitely can't have KOC coaching him. These guys all look like they're lost running this ridiculous offense.

He's the one guy with a quick enough release and strong enough arm to pull it off.

The offense won't change. I never see any slants. All slow developing long routes.

This offense is doomed in this current state. I don't even think Herbert is gonna change it under his tutelage.

That isn't necessarily true. Wentz missed on 5-6 short routes last night.

They weren't all deep patterns. He missed many wide open from within 10 yards.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:39:26 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H
Herbert is a generational talent. And yet, we have people suggesting Geno Smith. And we wonder why we don't win.

Was at one time considered a generational talent. Sam Darnold we signed for 10 million and was also considered a generational talent at one time.
I am not suggesting Geno Smith.....I am also not suggesting trading away the farm for a QB with a broken left hand.
A solid business decision isn't trading for a 50 million a year QB who is bottom 3 in performance this year and has a broken hand.
JT/Pollard and Sanders. That I could go for.

Sanders?
REally?
Just throw in the towel now if we go that route. Don't bother. Save the picks.

Exactly. Because of course, Sanders has such a proven track record.

Trade for Sanders and I’m done.

I was done when Wentz started last night. I watched CBB until the end of the first half.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:41:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

If you get Herbert you definitely can't have KOC coaching him. These guys all look like they're lost running this ridiculous offense.

He's the one guy with a quick enough release and strong enough arm to pull it off.

The offense won't change. I never see any slants. All slow developing long routes.

This offense is doomed in this current state. I don't even think Herbert is gonna change it under his tutelage.

That isn't necessarily true. Wentz missed on 5-6 short routes last night.

They weren't all deep patterns. He missed many wide open from within 10 yards.

Well going all the way back to Darnolds last 2 games this offense has been completely abysmal. It would be foolish to think anything they get in a trade today is going to change that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 11/10/2026 11:42:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

If you get Herbert you definitely can't have KOC coaching him. These guys all look like they're lost running this ridiculous offense.

He's the one guy with a quick enough release and strong enough arm to pull it off.

The offense won't change. I never see any slants. All slow developing long routes.

This offense is doomed in this current state. I don't even think Herbert is gonna change it under his tutelage.

That isn't necessarily true. Wentz missed on 5-6 short routes last night.

They weren't all deep patterns. He missed many wide open from within 10 yards.

Well going all the way back to Darnolds last 2 games this offense has been completely abysmal. It would be foolish to think anything they get in a trade today os going to change that.

Darnold choose the deep routes remember. He had a lot of shorter routes out there.....

You are playing the KOC is bad narrative.....yeah the offense has been bad but the QB play is the issue. Kyler missed 4-5 last week......Wentz missed 10 easy passes at least last night.

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