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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

Vikings running backs Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason combined for 51 yards on 11 carries. That equates to 4.6 yards per carry, but instead we kept dropping Wentz back into the pocket. The problem is the coach and until we fix that we are toast.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

The Vikings and their fans have always been obsessed with wide receiver divas. ZERO Super Bowl wins to speak of.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

The Vikings and their fans have always been obsessed with wide receiver divas. ZERO Super Bowl wins to speak of.

I've never understood the love fest with 4 chainz. Even Aikman was clowning on him in a backhanded way.

The game was so bad it seemed to bring Aikman and Buck together.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

Vikings running backs Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason combined for 51 yards on 11 carries. That equates to 4.6 yards per carry, but instead we kept dropping Wentz back into the pocket. The problem is the coach and until we fix that we are toast.

We have a coach obsessed with chunk plays. How about just putting together some first downs. That's a great place to start.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

The Vikings and their fans have always been obsessed with wide receiver divas. ZERO Super Bowl wins to speak of.

I've never understood the love fest with 4 chainz. Even Aikman was clowning on him in a backhanded way.

The game was so bad it seemed to bring Aikman and Buck together.

He was really good for a few years. Defensive coordinators have made adjustments and figured a way to slow him down.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

The Vikings and their fans have always been obsessed with wide receiver divas. ZERO Super Bowl wins to speak of.

I've never understood the love fest with 4 chainz. Even Aikman was clowning on him in a backhanded way.

The game was so bad it seemed to bring Aikman and Buck together.

He was really good for a few years. Defensive coordinators have made adjustments and figured a way to slow him down.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

Firing KOC now, and having Flores be the HC the rest of the season, gives you a trial run with Flores as HC.

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

The Vikings and their fans have always been obsessed with wide receiver divas. ZERO Super Bowl wins to speak of.

I've never understood the love fest with 4 chainz. Even Aikman was clowning on him in a backhanded way.

The game was so bad it seemed to bring Aikman and Buck together.

He was really good for a few years. Defensive coordinators have made adjustments and figured a way to slow him down.

It has more to do with terrible QB operating behind terrible O lines than anything the other defenses are doing.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

The Vikings and their fans have always been obsessed with wide receiver divas. ZERO Super Bowl wins to speak of.

I've never understood the love fest with 4 chainz. Even Aikman was clowning on him in a backhanded way.

The game was so bad it seemed to bring Aikman and Buck together.

He was really good for a few years. Defensive coordinators have made adjustments and figured a way to slow him down.

It has more to do with terrible QB operating behind terrible O lines than anything the other defenses are doing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: marty

Firing KOC now, and having Flores be the HC the rest of the season, gives you a trial run with Flores as HC.

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

I don't know if you watched the game. JJ had a high throw for a fumble, multiple throws at the feet of RB from 5 yards out, Price was wide open twice for 9 yard passes.

Those aren't chunk plays that were missed.

You can't coach 7 for 25 and 3 TOs out of a player. It is the 2nd worst performance of a QB in MN history.....not a HC thing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

Firing KOC now, and having Flores be the HC the rest of the season, gives you a trial run with Flores as HC.

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

I don't know if you watched the game. JJ had a high throw for a fumble, multiple throws at the feet of RB from 5 yards out, Price was wide open twice for 9 yard passes.

Those aren't chunk plays that were missed.

You can't coach 7 for 25 and 3 TOs out of a player. It is the 2nd worst performance of a QB in MN history.....not a HC thing.

Is that why KOC has 5 of the top 10 qbs in worst EPA since all the way back to 1999? I don't think they were all Wentz. Besides this is the bed O'Clownell made.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

Firing KOC now, and having Flores be the HC the rest of the season, gives you a trial run with Flores as HC.

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

I don't know if you watched the game. JJ had a high throw for a fumble, multiple throws at the feet of RB from 5 yards out, Price was wide open twice for 9 yard passes.

Those aren't chunk plays that were missed.

You can't coach 7 for 25 and 3 TOs out of a player. It is the 2nd worst performance of a QB in MN history.....not a HC thing.

Is that why KOC has 5 of the top 10 qbs in worst EPA since all the way back to 1999? I don't think they were all Wentz. Besides this is the bed O'Clownell made.

There were the obvious bad and short passes to JJ, Mason, etc. that were obvious. Then the INTs. How is that on KOC?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

Firing KOC now, and having Flores be the HC the rest of the season, gives you a trial run with Flores as HC.

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

I don't know if you watched the game. JJ had a high throw for a fumble, multiple throws at the feet of RB from 5 yards out, Price was wide open twice for 9 yard passes.

Those aren't chunk plays that were missed.

You can't coach 7 for 25 and 3 TOs out of a player. It is the 2nd worst performance of a QB in MN history.....not a HC thing.

Is that why KOC has 5 of the top 10 qbs in worst EPA since all the way back to 1999? I don't think they were all Wentz. Besides this is the bed O'Clownell made.

There were the obvious bad and short passes to JJ, Mason, etc. that were obvious. Then the INTs. How is that on KOC?

Maybe because these are the qbs he wanted?

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

This is all his qbs and his system. There's nowhere left for KOC to hide.

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Rattler
Mariota
GSmith
Sanders

Nothing more than a 5th for these guys.

In the vein of Teasley doing something, anything at QB sure. But realistically running out the Bum of the Week won't move the needle. I hope we can somehow acquire more picks rather than fritter them away... because Teasley is going to need them.

Might not be a bad idea to trade Jefferson while you're at it. The value is going down for him daily and
he's going to be expensive. If someone gives you 2 firsts you jump all over it.

If we go with another Cavalcade of Washups or a rookie QB next year, it's conceivable Jefferson's paltry stats will continue through at least the end of 2027. His cap hit next year is $50 million. And $53 million in 2028 but guessing that will change. I'd jump at 2 firsts plus some more as long at least one of the first rounders was high.

The Vikings and their fans have always been obsessed with wide receiver divas. ZERO Super Bowl wins to speak of.

I've never understood the love fest with 4 chainz. Even Aikman was clowning on him in a backhanded way.

The game was so bad it seemed to bring Aikman and Buck together.

He was really good for a few years. Defensive coordinators have made adjustments and figured a way to slow him down.

And KOC has him running the same routes he ran as a rookie....

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

This is all his qbs and his system. There's nowhere left for KOC to hide.

You can't throw a 5 yard pass to Mason not at his feet?
You can't throw a swing pass to JJ that was uncatchable?

The example on Price where he was wide open was an 8-10 yard pass.

Wentz had a bunch of easy throws he couldn't complete.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: marty

Firing KOC now, and having Flores be the HC the rest of the season, gives you a trial run with Flores as HC.

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

I don't know if you watched the game. JJ had a high throw for a fumble, multiple throws at the feet of RB from 5 yards out, Price was wide open twice for 9 yard passes.

Those aren't chunk plays that were missed.

You can't coach 7 for 25 and 3 TOs out of a player. It is the 2nd worst performance of a QB in MN history.....not a HC thing.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

Raiders are gonna want at least a 2nd for Kirk. No thank you!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

This is all his qbs and his system. There's nowhere left for KOC to hide.

You can't throw a 5 yard pass to Mason not at his feet?
You can't throw a swing pass to JJ that was uncatchable?

The example on Price where he was wide open was an 8-10 yard pass.

Wentz had a bunch of easy throws he couldn't complete.

And who approved these qbs for this season? Who advocated for them? Who was so sure of it they traded away their first round pick?

When do the excuses run out for you Phil? This is entirely on KOC. He even threw the last GM under the bus. There's nowhere left to go.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

This is all his qbs and his system. There's nowhere left for KOC to hide.

You can't throw a 5 yard pass to Mason not at his feet?
You can't throw a swing pass to JJ that was uncatchable?

The example on Price where he was wide open was an 8-10 yard pass.

Wentz had a bunch of easy throws he couldn't complete.

And who approved these qbs for this season? Who advocated for them? Who was so sure of it they traded away their first round pick?

When do the excuses run out for you Phil? This is entirely on KOC. He even threw the last GM under the bus. There's nowhere left to go.

Zero excuses.....players perform.
I knew going into the Detroit game it was going to be tough 2 games.

Wentz is a backup but he was beyond horrible......a coach can't fix that as he couldn't hit on 5 yard passes even. Firing KOC at 6-2?

Get him Sanders or Kirk.

Ill ask you a simple question. Are you 100% sure KOC made the QB decisions each year?