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ORIGINAL: Rob Viking

This is the best Tinsley could have done. Hopefully a very late 3rd.

Kirk was the only real option out there that was an upgrade, no one else could pick up the offense on the fly in November.

He has looked good for the Raiders but there’s plenty of garbage time to boost his stats. And we’re getting the usual Kirk deer in the highlights and taking sacks. It at least makes the next 9 games watchable, hopefully keeps Jetta from checking out and brings Addison back to life. We’ll see how the D responds as well, sometimes defenses play their best when the offense struggles mightily. They tend to regress a bit when the offense actually performs better, seems counterintuitive but it seems to happen. Still you’d think this defense could help turn 3 pt lead into a three score lead in no time like week 1.

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ORIGINAL: marty

The Raiders have lost 5 of their last 6 games, the only win being over the Jets.

Kirk, if he plays an entire season, will be playing without a bye.

Has any QB ever played 18 regular season games ?

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ORIGINAL: marty

Cousins might say he needs more time to study the changes in the playbook, about 2 weeks, so he can start with Atlanta and Carolina at home.

The Vikings desperately need him right now.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Don't know how much of the offense Cousins will know in time for Sunday. Assuming he starts, he might not be comfortable. If he has to bail on plays and go off-script that is a recipe for disaster.

On the bright side, he's obviously had to adjust a bunch of 15 minute periods in his daily schedules so maybe he will be ultra-focused learning say 25 scripted plays.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Don't know how much of the offense Cousins will know in time for Sunday. Assuming he starts, he might not be comfortable. If he has to bail on plays and go off-script that is a recipe for disaster.

On the bright side, he's obviously had to adjust a bunch of 15 minute periods in his daily schedules so maybe he will be ultra-focused learning say 25 scripted plays.

On plus is it seems most QBs do better when they know less of KOC's offense...

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ORIGINAL: marty

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

While this post by Brad is true since Cousins, is was not true when Cousins last played in Minnesota.

Cousins started out slow in his playoff game against the Giants, probably could have used more check downs and outlets. When he checked down on the final play, he just needed to either checkdown a lot sooner (Brady sometimes did that, and the WR or TE would convert the long 3rd or 4th down), or made the better choice and tried to hit JJ for the 1st down.

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ORIGINAL: marty

The QBing was so bad, I am not sure we can accurately assess the game planning.

We will see what happens with Captain Kirk back at the helm.

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ORIGINAL: nfrosty

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ORIGINAL: marty

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

While this post by Brad is true since Cousins, is was not true when Cousins last played in Minnesota.

Cousins started out slow in his playoff game against the Giants, probably could have used more check downs and outlets. When he checked down on the final play, he just needed to either checkdown a lot sooner (Brady sometimes did that, and the WR or TE would convert the long 3rd or 4th down), or made the better choice and tried to hit JJ for the 1st down.

It goes without saying O'Connell's game planning hasn't been effective and lacks creativity. Whatever his game plan was Monday the Bill's defense was ready for it.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: nfrosty

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ORIGINAL: marty

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

While this post by Brad is true since Cousins, is was not true when Cousins last played in Minnesota.

Cousins started out slow in his playoff game against the Giants, probably could have used more check downs and outlets. When he checked down on the final play, he just needed to either checkdown a lot sooner (Brady sometimes did that, and the WR or TE would convert the long 3rd or 4th down), or made the better choice and tried to hit JJ for the 1st down.

It goes without saying O'Connell's game planning hasn't been effective and lacks creativity. Whatever his game plan was Monday the Bill's defense was ready for it.

Game planning isn’t the key. It will be what he can check in and out of and blocking. That is where Kirk is best. He just knows where the ball should be thrown.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: nfrosty

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ORIGINAL: marty

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

While this post by Brad is true since Cousins, is was not true when Cousins last played in Minnesota.

Cousins started out slow in his playoff game against the Giants, probably could have used more check downs and outlets. When he checked down on the final play, he just needed to either checkdown a lot sooner (Brady sometimes did that, and the WR or TE would convert the long 3rd or 4th down), or made the better choice and tried to hit JJ for the 1st down.

It goes without saying O'Connell's game planning hasn't been effective and lacks creativity. Whatever his game plan was Monday the Bill's defense was ready for it.

Game planning isn’t the key. It will be what he can check in and out of and blocking. That is where Kirk is best. He just knows where the ball should be thrown.

On third and 19 he'll check down, guaranteed.

I know people are going to instantly think I believe the Cousins move was a terrible move, but I don't. We were stuck in a gigantic shithole given our 6-0 start to the season and now having some of the worst quarterback play on the planet.

As long as the guy isn't the starter next season with a new contract, I'm okay with the move for the remainder of the season. I always said Cousins was the most overpaid player in the league the last time around. Now he is getting paid what he is deserved, about $650k for the rest of the season. To me, he'll always be the guy that led the Anti-Vax movement, which was as irresponsible of a move as I have ever seen by a guy making that much money. He's the RFK Jr. of the league.

IMO, the move has pretty much ended the career of Kyler Murray.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: nfrosty

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ORIGINAL: marty

Just start by bringing in an offensive coordinator. O'Connell is not competent.

It's the same offense he has been running (poorly) for the past three years. Long, developing plays that are hard to run with poor protection. He's trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and appears to be too stubborn to change.

I can't even remember the last time I saw a slot receiver catch a ball over the middle for a pass. There is almost no creativity. We have no identity.

While this post by Brad is true since Cousins, is was not true when Cousins last played in Minnesota.

Cousins started out slow in his playoff game against the Giants, probably could have used more check downs and outlets. When he checked down on the final play, he just needed to either checkdown a lot sooner (Brady sometimes did that, and the WR or TE would convert the long 3rd or 4th down), or made the better choice and tried to hit JJ for the 1st down.

It goes without saying O'Connell's game planning hasn't been effective and lacks creativity. Whatever his game plan was Monday the Bill's defense was ready for it.

Game planning isn’t the key. It will be what he can check in and out of and blocking. That is where Kirk is best. He just knows where the ball should be thrown.

On third and 19 he'll check down, guaranteed.

I know people are going to instantly think I believe the Cousins move was a terrible move, but I don't. We were stuck in a gigantic shithole given our 6-0 start to the season and now having some of the worst quarterback play on the planet.

As long as the guy isn't the starter next season with a new contract, I'm okay with the move for the remainder of the season. I always said Cousins was the most overpaid player in the league the last time around. Now he is getting paid what he is deserved, about $650k for the rest of the season. To me, he'll always be the guy that led the Anti-Vax movement, which was as irresponsible of a move as I have ever seen by a guy making that much money. He's the RFK Jr. of the league.

IMO, the move has pretty much ended the career of Kyler Murray.

Talk about your politics somewhere else. Preferably the thread titled no one gives a shit but you thread.

Kyler's play ended his career as a starter here......odds are he won't be done. He may have to be a backup or someone else probably will give him a chance.