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RE: General NHL Talk - 6/22/2017 12:55:00 PM   
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Contract situations must be crazy, because LV did not draft the usual suspects, IMO.
Not nearly as strong a roster as they could have built, IMO

They don't want to win now. They don't want to be horrible, but they want lottery picks for a few years. It's a departure from the way the Wild and Blue Jackets went about it. I will call it the Houston Astros approach, in a way.


Or in NHL terms, the Oilers way......

There must be somethin' 'bout them oil towns that breeds smarts.

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RE: General NHL Talk - 7/15/2017 4:21:45 PM   
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Quebec deserves a team back. What a disgrace taking the Nordiques from them. Las Vegas but not Quebec? Disgrace.

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RE: General NHL Talk - 7/16/2017 8:19:26 AM   
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What was their fanbase like? I seriously don't remember. Agree that Vegas is a sham but could Quebec compete, market share, with Montreal?
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RE: General NHL Talk - 7/16/2017 11:13:30 AM   
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Quebec City was the smallest market in the NHL, and the second-smallest major-league city in North America. Only Green Bay, Wisconsin; home to the National Football League's Green Bay Packers, was smaller. However, the Nordiques didn't have a nearby major market on which to draw support, as the Packers do with Milwaukee. The Nordiques also faced a unique disadvantage due to Quebec City's status as a virtually monolingual francophone city. Then as now, Quebec City had no privately owned English-language radio stations and only one privately owned English-language television station. The only English-language newspaper was the weekly Quebec Chronicle-Telegraph. The Nordiques organization operated almost entirely in French; public address announcements at home games were only given in French. In contrast, Montreal and Ottawa, the other NHL cities with large francophone fan bases, enjoyed significant anglophone support and had fully bilingual operations. The near-total lack of English-language media limited the Nordiques' marketability even in their best years, and made many non-French players, most notably Lindros, wary of playing for them. While the Nordiques had a fairly loyal fan base, it was not enough for them to be viable in the new environment.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 7/16/2017 11:43:51 AM   
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Good info man.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 7/16/2017 11:47:04 AM   
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Good question, man

Seriously, had really forgotten about just what they were like ...

Adam Foote was the last guy that played for them, to retire, and that was in 2011
Biggest moves were acquiring Forsberg in the Lindros trade, and getting Roy before the move to Colorado

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RE: General NHL Talk - 7/27/2017 7:27:57 PM   
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I just read an article on liberal athletes. I was most impressed with Mike Richter. Was always a fan in the 90s when I'd occasionally pick the Rangers instead of the Whalers on Sega if I was sick of getting beaten to death by my cousin that always picked the Red Wings. Anyway, Richter is very concerned about the environment. May run for political office someday.

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RE: General NHL Talk - 7/28/2017 4:26:37 PM   
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I just went to one of the bigger ticket scalping sites online, and I couldn't find a decent Blackhawks home game seat for under $200.00. I'm not going to spend $800.00, plus parking, plus food and beer, to sit in an uncomfortable chair and watch a hockey game. That's almost more than I spent on my purebred German Shepherd! I guess I'll stay at home and watch my guys on television this season.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 8/15/2017 11:11:37 AM   
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Phil Kessel, on his day-with-the-cup, filled it with hot dogs in a good-natured rib at himself.
Pretty funny, actually.
Dude has had the last laugh on a lot of people. Me included. Helluva career, already.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 8/16/2017 3:19:45 PM   
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Phil Kessel, on his day-with-the-cup, filled it with hot dogs in a good-natured rib at himself.
Pretty funny, actually.
Dude has had the last laugh on a lot of people. Me included. Helluva career, already.


Me too, SoMn. He is one of those guys who is always ready to play, even though he is built like the Zamboni driver. His build and physical appearance makes him look lazy, but in his case, looks are deceiving. He's a straight winner.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 8/16/2017 3:55:50 PM   
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Still hate him
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/19/2017 12:35:18 PM   
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I get to watch my Hawks tonight, but I have a feeling I'm not going to like what I see. I think this season is going to be a hard one for us Blackhawks fans.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/19/2017 1:02:53 PM   
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Yeah, you'll probably only get the 3 seed and have to win in 7 (on home ice) to get to the finals. Sucks to be a Hawks fan these days
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/19/2017 1:45:41 PM   
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Yeah, you'll probably only get the 3 seed and have to win in 7 (on home ice) to get to the finals. Sucks to be a Hawks fan these days


Ha! I hope you're right. We've had a great run, but it seems to get harder and harder just to keep up with the up and coming teams.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/19/2017 6:04:44 PM   
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Olczyk is not on the broadcast tonight because he is being treated for colon cancer. Crap. I hope he gets better soon!
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/20/2017 10:17:03 AM   
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Sorry to hear joe
He's a good dude
All-in on USA development of players
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/22/2017 8:41:32 AM   
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Saad looks ready. We need a power forward to take some of the pressure off the finesse guys, and Saad fits the bill.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/26/2017 6:04:23 AM   
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Just for you, Joe.
My 2nd favorite BlackHawk fan.


Chicago Blackhawks

Entering 2016-17 with three Stanley Cup titles in the previous seven seasons, the Blackhawks had high hopes for a rebound from 2015-16, when they had a third straight 100-point season but couldn't advance past the first round of the postseason. Another 30-goal campaign for Patrick Kane headlined production from a familiar, title-winning core as Chicago locked up a return playoff berth, and a 20-4-2 stretch from February through March helped it leapfrog a record-breaking Minnesota Wild team on the way to its first Central Division crown in four years. A plus-31 goal differential, another big season from goalie Corey Crawford and a top finish in the Western Conference (50-23-9) couldn't save the Blackhawks from a stunner of a sweep in the opening round of the playoffs against the Nashville Predators.

General manager Stan Bowman promised big changes after Chicago's abrupt exit, a back-to-back disappointment for a team conditioned to postseason dominance, and he delivered over the summer with a top-line shakeup. Still, most of the regulars are intact, so the biggest question remaining could very well be whether Bowman's shakeup was monumental enough.

The moves

Key additions: F Brandon Saad (trade with Blue Jackets), F Patrick Sharp (Stars), D Connor Murphy (trade with Coyotes), F Lance Bouma (Flames), F Tommy Wingels (Senators), G Anton Forsberg (trade with Blue Jackets)

Key losses: F Artemi Panarin (trade with Blue Jackets), D Niklas Hjalmarsson (trade with Coyotes), D Trevor van Riemsdyk (Hurricanes), G Scott Darling (trade with Hurricanes), F Marcus Kruger (trade with Golden Knights), D Johnny Oduya (Senators), D Brian Campbell (retired), F Tyler Motte (trade with Blue Jackets), F Dennis Rasmussen (Ducks)

Other teams like the Dallas Stars might have outdone the Blackhawks in big-name moves, but as a whole, Chicago was as active as anyone this offseason, starting with the blockbuster swap of Panarin for Saad before free agency. In some ways, the Blue Jackets seemed to get the better of the Blackhawks merely because, for the second time in three years, Chicago all but mortgaged one of its premier scorers thanks to anticipated contract demands it wouldn't be able to meet. But Saad, a younger and more well-rounded two-way player than Panarin who apparently was also missed by former teammate Jonathan Toews, is still a solid addition thanks to his history with the team. Ditto with Sharp.

As much as new (old) faces figure to bring to a locker room that'll be without a recovering Marian Hossa in 2017-18, though, the Blackhawks also lost quite the handful of contributors from a year ago. Panarin, of course, was about as promising of a play-maker as you could hope to have through two NHL seasons. Aside from him, Chicago parted with a defensive pillar in Hjalmarsson, another regular blue-liner in van Riemsdyk and an ultra-sturdy backup goalie in Darling. More concerning than those losses, an unsurprising but unfortunate product of a top-heavy club strapped for salary cap space, is the fact that Bowman's replacements are far less proven.

The verdict

Playoff success -- or the lack thereof -- is obviously a big factor in considering teams' Stanley Cup potential. Just look at the Blackhawks' own Central Division rivals, the Wild, who are still trying to figure out how to translate immense regular-season success into a first-round postseason victory. But it's hard to hold Chicago's past two opening-round slip-ups against them, not only because they've reeled in a trio of titles since 2009-10 but because, outside of the playoffs, the Blackhawks have combined for a 97-49-18 record (212 points) over the past two seasons. Now, with Toews warmly welcoming back Saad and Kane still producing at a high level, they have the makings of a "never say never" comeback story after their whimper of a playoff exit against the Predators, complete with lots and lots of good postseason experience.

And yet, at the same time, the Blackhawks also appear on the verge of deterioration from the inside as they fight off the repercussions of big salaries. No matter how you slice it, losing Panarin, Hjalmarsson, Darling and a slew of others (a group that essentially includes Hossa) in the same offseason is not by any means a promising sign. Two of the team's top four defensemen are at least 32 years old, and another is Murphy, who never topped 17 points in four seasons for the Coyotes. Even if Bowman's bold look back to the future for help from Saad and Sharp ends up bolstering the offense, the defense will be dealing with a transition behind Crawford, where Forsberg brings just 10 games of NHL experience in place of the departed Darling.

In a division where the Wild seem primed for another top-ranked offensive performance, the Predators should return to the postseason in better standing, the Blues could vie for a deep playoff run and the Stars should be far more competitive, the Blackhawks don't necessarily have an easy path to vengeance in 2017-18. Their track record is hard to bet against, so expecting another playoff run isn't out of the question. They're the Blackhawks, remember? But the question marks aren't lacking here, and the nostalgia of Chicago's summer moves isn't going to erase them entirely.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/26/2017 6:06:56 PM   
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Just for you, Joe.
My 2nd favorite BlackHawk fan.


Chicago Blackhawks

Entering 2016-17 with three Stanley Cup titles in the previous seven seasons, the Blackhawks had high hopes for a rebound from 2015-16, when they had a third straight 100-point season but couldn't advance past the first round of the postseason. Another 30-goal campaign for Patrick Kane headlined production from a familiar, title-winning core as Chicago locked up a return playoff berth, and a 20-4-2 stretch from February through March helped it leapfrog a record-breaking Minnesota Wild team on the way to its first Central Division crown in four years. A plus-31 goal differential, another big season from goalie Corey Crawford and a top finish in the Western Conference (50-23-9) couldn't save the Blackhawks from a stunner of a sweep in the opening round of the playoffs against the Nashville Predators.

General manager Stan Bowman promised big changes after Chicago's abrupt exit, a back-to-back disappointment for a team conditioned to postseason dominance, and he delivered over the summer with a top-line shakeup. Still, most of the regulars are intact, so the biggest question remaining could very well be whether Bowman's shakeup was monumental enough.

The moves

Key additions: F Brandon Saad (trade with Blue Jackets), F Patrick Sharp (Stars), D Connor Murphy (trade with Coyotes), F Lance Bouma (Flames), F Tommy Wingels (Senators), G Anton Forsberg (trade with Blue Jackets)

Key losses: F Artemi Panarin (trade with Blue Jackets), D Niklas Hjalmarsson (trade with Coyotes), D Trevor van Riemsdyk (Hurricanes), G Scott Darling (trade with Hurricanes), F Marcus Kruger (trade with Golden Knights), D Johnny Oduya (Senators), D Brian Campbell (retired), F Tyler Motte (trade with Blue Jackets), F Dennis Rasmussen (Ducks)

Other teams like the Dallas Stars might have outdone the Blackhawks in big-name moves, but as a whole, Chicago was as active as anyone this offseason, starting with the blockbuster swap of Panarin for Saad before free agency. In some ways, the Blue Jackets seemed to get the better of the Blackhawks merely because, for the second time in three years, Chicago all but mortgaged one of its premier scorers thanks to anticipated contract demands it wouldn't be able to meet. But Saad, a younger and more well-rounded two-way player than Panarin who apparently was also missed by former teammate Jonathan Toews, is still a solid addition thanks to his history with the team. Ditto with Sharp.

As much as new (old) faces figure to bring to a locker room that'll be without a recovering Marian Hossa in 2017-18, though, the Blackhawks also lost quite the handful of contributors from a year ago. Panarin, of course, was about as promising of a play-maker as you could hope to have through two NHL seasons. Aside from him, Chicago parted with a defensive pillar in Hjalmarsson, another regular blue-liner in van Riemsdyk and an ultra-sturdy backup goalie in Darling. More concerning than those losses, an unsurprising but unfortunate product of a top-heavy club strapped for salary cap space, is the fact that Bowman's replacements are far less proven.

The verdict

Playoff success -- or the lack thereof -- is obviously a big factor in considering teams' Stanley Cup potential. Just look at the Blackhawks' own Central Division rivals, the Wild, who are still trying to figure out how to translate immense regular-season success into a first-round postseason victory. But it's hard to hold Chicago's past two opening-round slip-ups against them, not only because they've reeled in a trio of titles since 2009-10 but because, outside of the playoffs, the Blackhawks have combined for a 97-49-18 record (212 points) over the past two seasons. Now, with Toews warmly welcoming back Saad and Kane still producing at a high level, they have the makings of a "never say never" comeback story after their whimper of a playoff exit against the Predators, complete with lots and lots of good postseason experience.

And yet, at the same time, the Blackhawks also appear on the verge of deterioration from the inside as they fight off the repercussions of big salaries. No matter how you slice it, losing Panarin, Hjalmarsson, Darling and a slew of others (a group that essentially includes Hossa) in the same offseason is not by any means a promising sign. Two of the team's top four defensemen are at least 32 years old, and another is Murphy, who never topped 17 points in four seasons for the Coyotes. Even if Bowman's bold look back to the future for help from Saad and Sharp ends up bolstering the offense, the defense will be dealing with a transition behind Crawford, where Forsberg brings just 10 games of NHL experience in place of the departed Darling.

In a division where the Wild seem primed for another top-ranked offensive performance, the Predators should return to the postseason in better standing, the Blues could vie for a deep playoff run and the Stars should be far more competitive, the Blackhawks don't necessarily have an easy path to vengeance in 2017-18. Their track record is hard to bet against, so expecting another playoff run isn't out of the question. They're the Blackhawks, remember? But the question marks aren't lacking here, and the nostalgia of Chicago's summer moves isn't going to erase them entirely.



Thank you, Sir! That was a good read, and I'm starting to get that good Hockey feeling that I get every year.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 9/26/2017 7:20:18 PM   
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I hate you.








j/k buddy
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RE: General NHL Talk - 10/3/2017 8:44:46 AM   
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Opening day is only two days away for the Hawks, and they still have to shed around 2 mil from the roster to be cap compliant. And DeBrincat is in the opening night lineup as a second line forward. He's as short as me, but put up huge numbers on the Ontario league. Might be fun to watch.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 10/5/2017 8:22:23 AM   
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Another great opening night.
Glad to see Jagr found a spot.
McDavid is taking over. See ya Cindy.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 10/5/2017 7:30:05 PM   
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Another great opening night.
Glad to see Jagr found a spot.
McDavid is taking over. See ya Cindy.


Jagr is one of the best players of his era. Hope he goes out on a high note. Hawks puck drop in 3...2...1...
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RE: General NHL Talk - 10/5/2017 7:33:36 PM   
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P.S., I hope Eddie O comes back soon. I miss hearing a fellow Southsider call the game.
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RE: General NHL Talk - 10/5/2017 7:54:42 PM   
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1-0, Hawks!
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