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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/14/2011 3:32:10 PM

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Tubby to Arkansas? Just got a tweet saying it is close

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/14/2011 3:34:43 PM

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Wowza. Did not see that one coming.

But it makes sense, if true. Like I said, they have a top recruiting class coming in. If he can convince them to honor their commitments, he'll have a chance to win right away.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/14/2011 4:47:12 PM

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I read that they were interested in Anderson and Buzz Williams too. Anderson, of course, currently denies interest.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/14/2011 5:32:40 PM

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Really goes to show you the value of a PG. How many times did Nolen look completely lost out there (drive, end up under basket, OHSHITWHATDOIDO?), yet we couldn't even compete without him? Good thing Welch is coming in next year...

It says a lot more about the complete lack of other options (which yes, is a shot at Tubby) than it does about Nolen's talent.

Tubby forced Joseph and Cobbs to transfer.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/15/2011 9:50:18 AM

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Cobbs transferd for playing time. He saw Nolen and Joseph in front of him this year and Joseph next year and that would give him possibly 1 year as a starter

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/15/2011 10:08:34 AM

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Cobbs transferd for playing time. He saw Nolen and Joseph in front of him this year and Joseph next year and that would give him possibly 1 year as a starter

Word was that he was homesick. He probably would not see a lot of time next year at Cal except their stud freshman guard just left.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/17/2011 10:13:02 PM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 8:28:15 AM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

It's a deceptive measure. VT/CO/NU/MN/etc. could beat a decent number of teams in the NCAA tournament more times than not, but they didn't win a conference tournament because they play in a much more difficult conference. I'd put the Gophers, all things considered, in the 60-80 range. If it was simply the best teams get into the NCAA tournament I think they'd still be a bubble team even with their epic collapse.

By the way, Andre Hollins is going to be a stud. http://tssaa.org/2010Champions/StateBBasketball/ClassAAA/box2.htm

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 9:46:55 AM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

To top it off, Dan Munson's team made the NIT

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 10:28:12 AM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

It's a deceptive measure. VT/CO/NU/MN/etc. could beat a decent number of teams in the NCAA tournament more times than not, but they didn't win a conference tournament because they play in a much more difficult conference. I'd put the Gophers, all things considered, in the 60-80 range. If it was simply the best teams get into the NCAA tournament I think they'd still be a bubble team even with their epic collapse.

By the way, Andre Hollins is going to be a stud. http://tssaa.org/2010Champions/StateBBasketball/ClassAAA/box2.htm

It's a decent point, ranking-wise, but I still don't think they'd be a bubble team in that scenario at this point. Either way, very disappointing year.

Should have gone and checked him out. That game was like 15 minutes from my place. Tough to tell much from high school games though.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 10:28:54 AM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

To top it off, Dan Munson's team made the NIT

His teams have been pretty decent at LBS. After obviously having success at Gonzaga as well. Makes you wonder if something else was at play in his time with the Gophers.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 10:32:35 AM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

To top it off, Dan Munson's team made the NIT

His teams have been pretty decent at LBS. After obviously having success at Gonzaga as well. Makes you wonder if something else was at play in his time with the Gophers.

Hard to be a west coast guy in the Midwest and deal with sanctions. He was one game (against a team they had beaten twice) from making the NCAA tournament.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 11:52:03 AM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

To top it off, Dan Munson's team made the NIT

His teams have been pretty decent at LBS. After obviously having success at Gonzaga as well. Makes you wonder if something else was at play in his time with the Gophers.

It was called probation for Haskin deals

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 11:53:34 AM

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I was under the impression that most on here think he was a bad coach though.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 12:26:04 PM

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I was under the impression that most on here think he was a bad coach though.

I think he's an okay coach. Good enough to have good or even great moments in the right situation but not good enough to be very successful with one hand tied behind his back.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 1:40:06 PM

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Yeah, he wasn't a bad coach. His teams generally sucked but much of was not his fault. It was just a time for change and the program badly needed energy only a coach like Tubby would have brought with him.

No matter how it's looking now, the Tubby hiring was fantastic. It brought much needed life to Gopherland.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/18/2011 3:09:04 PM

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I was under the impression that most on here think he was a bad coach though.

His biggest fault was having Humphries dad control the situation so that he boy was show cased. He would have been better off not bringing Humphries in

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/20/2011 10:18:09 AM

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Mbakwe arrested last night in Dinkytown.

EDIT: Apparently detained and questioned, not actually arrested. Someone heckled him and two teammates and he allegedly kicked the guy's car as he drove off.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/20/2011 10:02:42 PM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

It's a deceptive measure. VT/CO/NU/MN/etc. could beat a decent number of teams in the NCAA tournament more times than not, but they didn't win a conference tournament because they play in a much more difficult conference. I'd put the Gophers, all things considered, in the 60-80 range. If it was simply the best teams get into the NCAA tournament I think they'd still be a bubble team even with their epic collapse.

By the way, Andre Hollins is going to be a stud. http://tssaa.org/2010Champions/StateBBasketball/ClassAAA/box2.htm

Yes, but they didn't make the 65 or is it 66 team NCAA tournement and they also didn't make the NIT. Isn't that a 32 team tournement? That makes 98 teams. I think the NIT chooses teams sometimes for financia and otherl reasons, though.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/24/2011 1:40:20 AM

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The Gophers were not even chosen for the NIT. Does that mean our team is not even a top 100 team in the country? Even I don't think that they were that bad. Bad, yes, but not that bad.

Just once, I'd like to be pleasantly surprised by a major Minnesota team, instead of disappointed.

It's a deceptive measure. VT/CO/NU/MN/etc. could beat a decent number of teams in the NCAA tournament more times than not, but they didn't win a conference tournament because they play in a much more difficult conference. I'd put the Gophers, all things considered, in the 60-80 range. If it was simply the best teams get into the NCAA tournament I think they'd still be a bubble team even with their epic collapse.

By the way, Andre Hollins is going to be a stud. http://tssaa.org/2010Champions/StateBBasketball/ClassAAA/box2.htm

You place the Gophers in the same group as VTech and Colorado?

Absolute lack of objectivity.

The Gophers lost twice as many games as they won in conference. A conference that had one great team, one good team, and a bunch of beat me's.

Almost EVERY NIT team would beat this team more times than not.

I tried to hold off on judging you, even after the crazy Nolen love, but when you continue to think that the Gophers were a bubble team, comparable to Virginia Tech and Colorado, you are officially homer over truth.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/24/2011 1:42:02 AM

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Nolen would shut down Releford, right?

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/24/2011 9:15:55 AM

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VaTech and Colorado should have both been in the tourney IMO. Georgia/Michigan State/possibly UT all should have been out.

I know I'm biased against UT, but that team just played so inconsistent, so while they had a couple of good wins, they had too many bad losses to me too, and played very poorly down the stretch. I really think that while the overall body of work matters, more weight needs to be given to how teams finish/play in the 2nd half. That's when your team is really "fighting for a spot" and when they're going to be playing more of their true level of basketball IMO. Give me two teams, one slightly "better" overall than the other on the year, but Team A (the better one) fades down the stretch while Team B plays very well down the stretch? I'm going with Team B.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/25/2011 5:43:44 PM

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Iverson has been granted a release from his scholarship.

At this point that leaves Sampson, Mbakwe, Walker, and Eliason as big men next year.

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/26/2011 7:50:18 AM

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Junior center Colton Iverson joined a growing list of Gophers who have transferred during coach Tubby Smith's tenure when he left the program earlier this week.
Five players, including Iverson, have left the team since February 2010.
"I can confirm that I have been granted a release of scholarship," Iverson wrote in an e-mail Friday. "I just want to say that my experience at the U has been great but my family and I [have] decided that it is best for me to move on. Minnesota is a proud program and I wish them the best of luck in the future."

Iverson's former AAU coach, Lance Friesen, said Friday that the Yankton, S.D., native sought his release last week but the school didn't permit Iverson to leave until Wednesday.
Team spokesman Matt Slieter said he could not "confirm or deny" Iverson's decision. But another source close to the program confirmed Friday that Iverson had left the team.

Friesen said coaching staff initially asked Iverson to reconsider. Then, it imposed stipulations that forbid him from transferring to another Big Ten school or to a program that the Gophers are scheduled to face next season.
"It was a little bit of a process," Friesen said. "... They asked him to think it over."
Friesen said Iverson is not sure where he will go but is looking forward to a new situation. He didn't specify Iverson's reasons for leaving. Iverson did not respond to the Star Tribune's interview requests Friday night.
He can play for an NCAA Division II or III school next season, but if he transfers to a Division I program, he won't be allowed to play until 2012-13.
"I knew that he was maybe thinking about it, but it didn't shock me," Friesen said. "I know he loves the school and his teammates."
Iverson showed promise -- albeit in spurts -- throughout his three years with the Gophers. He made the All-Big Ten tournament team last year, and in stretches he looked like the best center on the roster.
But he was inconsistent, too. This season, he averaged 5.4 points and 5.0 rebounds in 18.3 minutes per game.

Redshirt freshman Elliott Eliason and first-year center Maurice Walker, who suffered a season-ending knee injury in December, are expected to contribute next season. Ralph Sampson III and Trevor Mbakwe might consider their pro options, but both could return for their senior seasons, so there was no guarantee that Iverson would log major minutes had he decided to stay.
Friesen said Iverson will look for the right fit, one that will help the 6-11 center develop into a player who can compete professionally. "I think being able to play after college is probably going to be a pretty high priority for him," he said.

Whatever Iverson's reasons for leaving, his former coach will attract more scrutiny. Since February 2010, Royce White, Paul Carter, Justin Cobbs, Devoe Joseph and now Iverson have left Smith's program. A team that went 6-12 in Big Ten play this season and didn't play in a postseason tournament could have used the extra talent.
As Smith negotiates an extension, the program looks as if it could be headed for another offseason of instability.
"I can't say that there's anything else [to Iverson's decision]," Friesen said. "I know he liked living there. He's never really said anything negative to me about Tubby. I think he has a lot of respect for him."

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RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 3/26/2011 8:11:05 AM

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Does Iverson think he's going to play in the NBA or does he want to play somewhere where he'll get 25+ minutes a game so he can showcase himself for Europe? A 7 footer with even a limited skill set would have no problem finding work in Europe.

I just hope Walker is healthy in time for next season (I'm not TOO worried, despite his size he looked like he was getting around pretty well by the end of the season) and Mbakwe doesn't leave.

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