Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports Talk Vikes and Other MN Sports

Forums  Register  Login  My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums 

Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ  Ticket List  Log Out

RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens)

 
Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [Other Minnesota Sports] >> Minnesota Golden Gophers >> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) Page: <<   < prev  69 70 [71] 72 73   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/17/2011 10:46:57 PM   
djskillz


Posts: 56863
Joined: 7/17/2007
From: Nashville, TN
Status: offline
I'm not saying that at all; and it's not a knock on Nolen. I love defense in a PG (or any position too). But defense starts on the interior. That's my point. When your best defender is your PG, it usually (ie not always) means your overall defense probably isn't very good.

_____________________________

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Post #: 1751
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 1:13:48 PM   
Jake Carlson

 

Posts: 1348
Joined: 8/21/2007
From: Northern CA
Status: offline
http://www.startribune.com/sports/gophers/120024324.html


Kind of a non-interview as Tubby just talks in circles on most items but it still bothers me that he doesn't see a problem with all the transfers. He needs to find some stability in his own program and accept that either his recruiting targets need to change or his management of the players needs revising.
Post #: 1752
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 1:26:10 PM   
Phil Riewer


Posts: 27433
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

I'm not saying that at all; and it's not a knock on Nolen. I love defense in a PG (or any position too). But defense starts on the interior. That's my point. When your best defender is your PG, it usually (ie not always) means your overall defense probably isn't very good.



Actually I don't agree...you need both (interior and wing). The best teams have both and he was the best defender on the team and w/o him they couldn't press teams in the back court....

< Message edited by Phil Riewer -- 4/18/2011 1:27:15 PM >


_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq
Post #: 1753
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 1:30:36 PM   
djskillz


Posts: 56863
Joined: 7/17/2007
From: Nashville, TN
Status: offline
Obviously it's ideal to have both, like it's ideal to have both a good secondary and defensive line.

But it starts in the interior IMO. You turn teams into jump-shooting teams and you're going to win a lot more games than you are if you let teams score at will on the interior.

_____________________________

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Post #: 1754
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 2:31:26 PM   
Phil Riewer


Posts: 27433
Joined: 8/24/2007
From: MN
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Obviously it's ideal to have both, like it's ideal to have both a good secondary and defensive line.

But it starts in the interior IMO. You turn teams into jump-shooting teams and you're going to win a lot more games than you are if you let teams score at will on the interior.


Nolen was a one-man full court press....he was by far the most important defender on the team.

_____________________________

SSG Riewer, Greg A Co 2/136 CAB
KIA 23 March 2007 Habbaniyah Iraq
Post #: 1755
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 2:38:03 PM   
djskillz


Posts: 56863
Joined: 7/17/2007
From: Nashville, TN
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Obviously it's ideal to have both, like it's ideal to have both a good secondary and defensive line.

But it starts in the interior IMO. You turn teams into jump-shooting teams and you're going to win a lot more games than you are if you let teams score at will on the interior.


Nolen was a one-man full court press....he was by far the most important defender on the team.


I'm not really dissing Nolen in any way with this so I'm not sure why you keep bringing him up specifically. Nolen was a good defender. I'm saying the team has big problems in general, including defense, and yes, that falls on Tubby.

_____________________________

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Post #: 1756
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 2:58:31 PM   
David Levine


Posts: 77942
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Las Vegas
Status: online
quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Obviously it's ideal to have both, like it's ideal to have both a good secondary and defensive line.

But it starts in the interior IMO. You turn teams into jump-shooting teams and you're going to win a lot more games than you are if you let teams score at will on the interior.


That's usually how we lost - by turning teams into jumpshooters. Trevor was a beast defensively down low, and Sampson had his moments.

We just couldn't guard the perimeter.
Post #: 1757
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 2:59:45 PM   
panndder


Posts: 4114
Joined: 7/21/2007
Status: offline
The big men (Sampson/Mbakwe) are both very good defenders. The missing component was a lanky wing (Carter/Johnson) who doesn't disappear at times (Williams) and isn't a freshman (Austin Hollins).
Post #: 1758
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 3:07:57 PM   
djskillz


Posts: 56863
Joined: 7/17/2007
From: Nashville, TN
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Obviously it's ideal to have both, like it's ideal to have both a good secondary and defensive line.

But it starts in the interior IMO. You turn teams into jump-shooting teams and you're going to win a lot more games than you are if you let teams score at will on the interior.


That's usually how we lost - by turning teams into jumpshooters. Trevor was a beast defensively down low, and Sampson had his moments.

We just couldn't guard the perimeter.


I'd say the big part in that is "had his moments". I agree on Mbakwe, but Sampson would just disappear most of the time with almost no activity. And played soft. That was a huge problem.

The perimeter defense was bad also, no doubt.

It all falls on the coaching staff; like Jake said; they're either recruiting the wrong guys, or they're not coaching them effectively. Tubby's like a mix of Rambis/Kahn because of that control. (not that bad, obviously)

_____________________________

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Post #: 1759
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 3:28:48 PM   
Mr. Ed


Posts: 88732
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Minne-so-ta
Status: offline
Tubby Q/A in Strib



Last year, the Gophers men's basketball team suffered one of the worst tumbles in Division I. It lost 10 of its last 11 games and didn't earn an invitation to the NIT. Coach Tubby Smith sat down with Star Tribune beat reporter Myron P. Medcalf last week to discuss the challenges he faced in the 2010-11 campaign and other issues crucial to the program, including the injuries and departures that affected the season.

Q How often do you replay last year's finish in your mind?
A I need to stop doing that because I need to focus on the here and now and the future. There's nothing to be gained. ... You're constantly trying to evaluate what happened -- what could we have done differently? -- that type of thing. I'm sure there's something we could've done differently. And I'm sure a lot of people had a lot of answers when it was over with. Hindsight is always better, hindsight is 20/20. You can see it in a different perspective. Looking back on it, I probably should've played smaller, even though we went bigger and we did score and we won a couple of games with a big lineup. After we used it that first time against Northwestern [Jan. 26] here, then we went on the road to Purdue [Jan. 29] and we got beat there with the big lineup. We got beat by Indiana [Feb. 2]. ... I think what happened during that stretch was it was a false sense of accomplishment. We moved Rodney [Williams] to the shooting guard, we moved Blake [Hoffarber] to the point, we moved Ralph [Sampson III] to the 3, Colton [Iverson] came into the lineup at the 5, but we lost a lot of scoring, a lot of offense. We just couldn't score, couldn't score inside or outside.


Q How much blame do you accept for last year's struggles?
A It's always the coach's fault, everybody knows that. Parents know it, players know it, writers know it, everybody. It's Coach's fault. I accept that. That's who I am. But I know one thing, I wasn't out there shooting a bad .... I haven't made a basket, I haven't scored a basket since 1973 that was meaningful. So everybody I put on the court I expect them to be able to play and adapt and adjust. When that doesn't happen, I've got to look at that and say well, 'Do we have the right personnel? Are those guys capable of doing it?' And when you have injuries and things like that, defections. Our most significant injury -- obviously, Al [Nolen] was our most significant -- but the one to Mo [Walker], I thought that hurt us as much as anything because he was a guy that was really coming on. Our best passer as a big man, he was a very good free-throw shooter, and that's something that we weren't very good at in the post. We just weren't very good passers, and we weren't good free-throw shooters.


Q After four years, are you content with the progress you've made at the University of Minnesota?
A You're never content unless you're winning the last game of the year. I don't think there's a content coach in America other than [UConn's] Jim Calhoun in Division I basketball. ... Outside of that you better not be content. You won't last long in this business. So you got to improve every day and every minute. I know that we've got a lot to improve on. Obviously, we took a step back, not this year but even last year with Royce White, Trevor Mbakwe not being able to [play]. ... But I thought we had surpassed that and overcame some of that, and we had. We were 16-4. So, there's no denying that. A lot of people thought we were one of the top 20 teams in the country at that time. And we were.


Q Do you think you've endured unfair criticism this year?
A No. We were 1-10 [in our last 11 games]. It's what you expect. But I hope people understand, it's not like we had all of our people here. So I would hope that people are smart enough to understand that or at least educated enough to understand that. Then again, a lot of people aren't. ... Most of them don't come to games, most of them don't even know that we lost two players to injuries and one that left. Most people don't know that. And they don't really care, to be honest with you. But I think the real Gopher fan saw what we lacked, so they should be concerned. So criticism is going to be there. That's why you concentrate on getting better. Because there's nobody more critical than we are.




Q You called out specific players last season when things weren't going well. Do you have any regrets about taking that approach?
A Well, I think I've said what I wanted to say. I said maybe players didn't execute certain things. ... I said it all the time, I'm not usually specific about it. But I thought maybe hey, maybe they need to know. I think it worked. It worked for me. ... [Observers are] seeing it, so why not just say it. Blake [Hoffarber] has had an outstanding career here, and that's what I was pointing out. He was making, probably, the biggest transition of anybody after fours years at shooting guard. Done is done, once I do it. I was hoping it would be a motivating factor.




Q You've been the subject of numerous coaching searches and rumors, but you've decided to stay. What's stopped you from leaving the University of Minnesota?
A We think we have the right situation, right fit for me at this point and time in my life. And that's why I came here. Nothing has changed about that.




Q You've lost five guys since last February. Could you have done anything differently to prevent those departures?
A Sometimes it's a mutual agreement. Sometimes they didn't get enough playing time. You take a guy like Justin Cobbs. A guy like Paul Carter, he left for a different type reason. I would have loved for him to stay here, but hopefully what they did improved their [status]. I don't think it hurt us, our status. What hurt us was injuries this year, not the defections or the departure of people. Sometimes, it's addition by subtraction. And I thought that we were well positioned because of subtraction, being 16-4. And that's not to say the loss of Royce White, if they'd stayed, wouldn't have made us better, I'm not saying that, but we did what we were supposed to do. We continued on. As I tell players, the program is going to go on with or without you. You either accept that Coach Smith loves me, wants me here and I'm playing you ... but you want more, everybody wants more.
You take Colton [Iverson]. He played 15 minutes the year before. He played 18-19 minutes this year. It wasn't like he got less minutes. He did less with more. That's all I can say. And we did less with him doing more. I rest my case. And hopefully, they'll see that. We were pretty good with or without Devoe Joseph. And we'll be good without him again. That's life. So I appreciate that when they come in, and I tell them that when I recruit them. Hey, we want you here. We're recruiting you because we have a need for you. There's going to be ups and downs, there's going to be highs and lows. There's going to be guys that fight through it and guys that can't. That's how I look at it. That's sports. That's winning and losing. And hopefully, we're teaching them life values: when you commit to something, you stick to it. But that's not always the case.


_____________________________

Escape while you can!
Post #: 1760
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 3:41:05 PM   
djskillz


Posts: 56863
Joined: 7/17/2007
From: Nashville, TN
Status: offline
Lots of throwing players under the bus and excuses.

Not a good interview for Tubby at all.

He'll be gone after next season.

_____________________________

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Post #: 1761
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 5:00:18 PM   
panndder


Posts: 4114
Joined: 7/21/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Lots of throwing players under the bus and excuses.

Not a good interview for Tubby at all.

He'll be gone after next season.


Quoted.
Post #: 1762
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 8:40:48 PM   
Jake Carlson

 

Posts: 1348
Joined: 8/21/2007
From: Northern CA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: panndder

The big men (Sampson/Mbakwe) are both very good defenders. The missing component was a lanky wing (Carter/Johnson) who doesn't disappear at times (Williams) and isn't a freshman (Austin Hollins).


Mbakwe is a decent defender but Sampson is far from good. He's too slow to guard the quicker bigs and gets tossed around by the physical bigs. His wingspan helps him recover sometimes fooling some into thinking he's a good defender.
Post #: 1763
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 8:44:52 PM   
Jake Carlson

 

Posts: 1348
Joined: 8/21/2007
From: Northern CA
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Lots of throwing players under the bus and excuses.

Not a good interview for Tubby at all.

He'll be gone after next season.


Agree on your assessment but disagree that he'll be gone. I think there's an endless supply of excuses at the ready for Maturi and numerous fans.
Didn't you know that Tubby won a national championship and we're lucky to have him?
Post #: 1764
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/18/2011 8:51:36 PM   
djskillz


Posts: 56863
Joined: 7/17/2007
From: Nashville, TN
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jake Carlson

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Lots of throwing players under the bus and excuses.

Not a good interview for Tubby at all.

He'll be gone after next season.


Agree on your assessment but disagree that he'll be gone. I think there's an endless supply of excuses at the ready for Maturi and numerous fans.
Didn't you know that Tubby won a national championship and we're lucky to have him?


Oh ya, I forgot. Though Maturi's got to be on the hot seat by now doesn't he? I should have added "if they fail to win at least 1 tourney game". But I think that will be the case.

_____________________________

"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring."
Post #: 1765
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/19/2011 9:36:32 AM   
Jim Frenette


Posts: 15995
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Dundas
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jake Carlson

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Lots of throwing players under the bus and excuses.

Not a good interview for Tubby at all.

He'll be gone after next season.


Agree on your assessment but disagree that he'll be gone. I think there's an endless supply of excuses at the ready for Maturi and numerous fans.
Didn't you know that Tubby won a national championship and we're lucky to have him?


Oh ya, I forgot. Though Maturi's got to be on the hot seat by now doesn't he? I should have added "if they fail to win at least 1 tourney game". But I think that will be the case.


He was offered a new 1 year extension by current President. That is all he felt he should do since he is stepping done in June

_____________________________

Fargo
Post #: 1766
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/28/2011 11:57:07 AM   
Jim Frenette


Posts: 15995
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Dundas
Status: offline
Ralph Sampson III will enter draft

_____________________________

Fargo
Post #: 1767
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/28/2011 12:01:15 PM   
TJSweens


Posts: 45022
Joined: 7/16/2007
Status: offline


_____________________________

"The eternal fate of the noble and enlightened: to be brutally crushed by the armed and dumb."
Post #: 1768
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/28/2011 12:03:55 PM   
Jeff Jesser


Posts: 19462
Joined: 7/16/2007
From: Southern Cal
Status: offline
WNBA?
Post #: 1769
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/28/2011 12:47:00 PM   
David Levine


Posts: 77942
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Las Vegas
Status: online
quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

Ralph Sampson III will enter draft


Kahn will probably draft him with the Memphis pick.
Post #: 1770
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/28/2011 1:05:28 PM   
panndder


Posts: 4114
Joined: 7/21/2007
Status: offline
Lots of guys do it. It's a no-risk proposition, as you work out for scouts and they tell you if your ready or where you need to improve. If he can get advice and work on his game he might have a stellar senior year!
Post #: 1771
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/28/2011 10:09:38 PM   
Mr. Ed


Posts: 88732
Joined: 7/14/2007
From: Minne-so-ta
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: panndder

Lots of guys do it. It's a no-risk proposition, as you work out for scouts and they tell you if your ready or where you need to improve. If he can get advice and work on his game he might have a stellar senior year!


It's going to take a whole lotta scouts to get him motivated to have a stellar senior year.

About as passive a big man as there is in college BB.

_____________________________

Escape while you can!
Post #: 1772
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 4/28/2011 10:12:05 PM   
panndder


Posts: 4114
Joined: 7/21/2007
Status: offline
I won't argue with that, Ed. Just saying, don't read into this move too much unless he hires an agent or doesn't pull out in a week and a half.
Post #: 1773
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 5/5/2011 4:09:57 PM   
Jake Carlson

 

Posts: 1348
Joined: 8/21/2007
From: Northern CA
Status: offline
The guy is seriously delusional to think he'll be drafted to play in the NBA! At best, he might be chosen in the 2nd round (no guaranteed contract) and he'll end up playing overseas or development league.



quote:

Ralph Sampson III is serious about a pro career and he's hired one of the top trainers in the game to help him reach the next level.

He's currently working out in Chicago with Tim Grover, who trained Michael Jordan during the prime of his All-Star career. He currently trains NBA stars Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant and Dwayne Wade. Grover's Attack Athletics is a hub for future and current NBA players.

Keith Kreiter, an agent who represents former Gophers forward Paul Carter, said both Carter and Sampson recently endured intense workouts at Grover's Attack Athletics facility in Chicago under Grover's watch.

Sampson can toy with the idea of keeping his name in the NBA draft until Sunday, when early entrants must withdraw from the draft to preserve their collegiate eligibility. That's assuming he hasn't hired an agent.

Will he stay? Who knows? Seriously, those connected to Sampson and the Gophers don't have any definitive answers at this point. And Sampson hasn't made any public statements about his draft status.

Grover refused to talk about Sampson when I contacted him Tuesday.

"I’m not doing any interviews on Ralph at this point. Thank you," he told me.

His former AAU coach, Norman Parker, said Sampson may not return to school.

"I think he’s leaning toward staying in," Parker said.
Post #: 1774
RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) - 5/5/2011 4:11:17 PM   
Jake Carlson

 

Posts: 1348
Joined: 8/21/2007
From: Northern CA
Status: offline
Let the Tubby to Maryland rumors begin..........
Post #: 1775
Page:   <<   < prev  69 70 [71] 72 73   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Other Minnesota Sports] >> Minnesota Golden Gophers >> RE: Gopher Basketball (Mens) Page: <<   < prev  69 70 [71] 72 73   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.5.5 Unicode