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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/3/2008 5:04:15 PM   
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The Brady Quinn Era begins in Cleveland Thursday night.
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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/3/2008 6:30:53 PM   
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The Brady Quinn Era begins in Cleveland Thursday night.


Damn, and we could have had him for 3 #1s!
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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/4/2008 8:06:46 AM   
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2. Cincinnati Bengals' offense
Through two games, this unit is performing far below expectations. Both quarterback Carson Palmer and tailback Chris Perry were on the "who's not" list last week, but it's not just those two players that are struggling. Cincinnati's offense as a whole is not clicking and has just 10 points on the season. When the strength of the team is not productive, the Bengals have little chance of winning.


Anderson 3. Derek Anderson, quarterback, Cleveland Browns
Usually a head coach and his quarterback are tied closely together, and that is certainly the case in Cleveland. As Crennel is struggling with his decision-making early in the season, so is Anderson. His two interceptions Sunday night were costly in a close game, particularly the one right before halftime to Polamalu that could have resulted in a touchdown or, at the very least, a field goal. Anderson completed 18 of 32 passes for 166 yards, two turnovers, and had a 44.5 quarterback rating. And both losses have been at home, where Anderson usually excels.



I belive Crennel will be the first HC fired this year.  Mark it down, Bill Cowher is waiting in the wings.  Anderson will be benched by the halfway point and Brady Quinn will take over.

Carson Palmer would accept a ticket out of Cincinnati in a heartbeat.  I would offer Cincy 2009 and 2010 first round picks.  Cincinnati is a mess, I still believe he's one of the elite QBs in football.


My post from the start of the season

I guess you could say I was the first to call this

Yeah, I know I missed on Crennel, but he won't be far behind, and Cowher will take over

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/4/2008 9:49:33 AM   
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Andy - technically, week 10 is beyond the halfway point in the season. 
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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/5/2008 2:22:51 AM   
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Angered by the Oakland Raiders' 2-6 start, team owner Al Davis asked his front office staff to explore the possibility of releasing several players, including cornerback DeAngelo Hall, according to multiple sources.


Hall

The Raiders are expected to release Hall on Wednesday, sources told ESPN's Michael Smith.
The process started on Monday, a day after the Raiders' embarrassing 24-0 loss to the Atlanta Falcons. Davis, looking ahead to rest of the season and to 2009, asked his staff to study a list of potential players who could be let go before the end of the week or after the season, sources said.
One source said the list included more than a dozen names. The Raiders' front-office staff studied the cap consequences of releasing high-priced veteran players. He also wanted his staff to see if other teams might claim any of these players on waivers.
The team was planning on making the move to release Hall on Tuesday before holding off, according to NFL.com. The Raiders have paid Hall $8 million for eight games, and also gave Atlanta a second-round pick for his services.
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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/5/2008 10:13:22 AM   
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I'm not a huge Hall fan anymore, but I'd still take him in a heartbeat. 

That would improve our secondary tremendously.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/5/2008 10:21:05 AM   
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Chillturd would never ever sign that guy, I'm 1,000 % sure about that!

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No on Hall!! - 11/5/2008 12:55:47 PM   
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I am absolutely 100% against signing DeAngelo Hall.  The word out here on bay area sports radio is that Hall was a complete ass in the locker room and very few players liked him.  One Raider reporter was being interviewed this morning and he went on about what a major prick Hall is and how he had never met another player that was "this bad of a guy".  This reporter also claimed that his inside sources told him that Asomugha went to Al in the past couple of days and told him that he's open to signing with the Raiders when his franchised deal ends this year but he didn't think they had enough money, so this is one of the reasons that Al started asking who he could cut to save money. When he started asking, Hall was one of the first names because of his hefty contract as well as the fact that no one liked him.
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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/5/2008 5:45:18 PM   
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Childress and Frazier, being clueless, most times( I have to grudgingly give childress props on offense, these past two games...), wouldn't know what to do with Hall, even if Wilf felt like picking up his contract, which I doubt.

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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/6/2008 4:24:36 PM   
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Another reason Hank Baskett is cool

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillygossip/Hank_Baskett_and_Kendra_Wilkinson_engaged.html

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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/6/2008 4:29:59 PM   
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I hope he's wearing protection.

Hugh Hefner (her ex) will be "giving her away"? 

That's just weird.

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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/6/2008 5:50:25 PM   
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Another reason Hank Baskett is cool

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/phillygossip/Hank_Baskett_and_Kendra_Wilkinson_engaged.html


She's a ding bat with fake body parts and seriously, she's not even that good looking without photoshop.

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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/6/2008 6:01:32 PM   
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I think Roy "Horsecollar" Williams did better.
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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/7/2008 10:16:53 AM   
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Cooley did the best 
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RE: Overrated Players - 11/7/2008 1:04:59 PM   
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For any stats guys, I would highly recommend some of Seth Joyners stuff

One of my favorite Bill James essays was one he wrote in the 1983 Baseball Abstract about the use of statistics at the halfway point of the season to determine which players should be chosen for the All-Star Game.


Glossary of terms


Toby Harrah, a mediocre third baseman, had a set of statistics in the first half of the 1982 season that were somewhat better than those of perennial All-Star George Brett. But Brett received the nomination over Harrah, and there was some hue and cry among fans and the media about this.


James explained in typically clear Jamesian detail how Harrah's .336 batting average and 17 home runs at the All-Star break obviously were not indicative of his true performance level. The fans recognized this, and Harrah's season-ending total of 25 homers and a .306 average proved them and James correct.


This same sort of thing happens in the NFL. It causes players who are having solid campaigns from Weeks 1 through 9 to become overrated. That is the case for most of the following five players, all but one of whom are riding somewhat misleading statistical waves to Pro Bowl contention.



Jay Cutler, QB Broncos

Cutler's 16 touchdown passes rank third in the league, and his 2,169 passing yards are fourth-best. He also is a favorite among fantasy players, as his 128 points currently rank him sixth in overall scoring in ESPN leagues.


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After a sizzling start, Jay Cutler's performance has tailed off somewhat in recent weeks.


As impressive as those cumulative figures are, Cutler's performance level has declined dramatically as the season has progressed. Cutler had a passer rating of 93 or higher in his first three games but has topped that mark only once since then. That drop-off has lowered his passer-rating ranking to 16th.


Another reason Cutler makes this list is that he hasn't improved in the one problem area that plagued him during his first two years: bad-decision percentage. It is quite difficult for any team to be successful when its quarterback has a bad-decision rate of 4.0 or higher, and Cutler was at or over the 5.0 mark in his rookie and sophomore professional seasons.


He hasn't shown any progress on this front in 2008, as his 5.3 mark in this metric indicates. Unless and until Cutler can push his mistakes total down to an acceptable level, he'll never be the great quarterback he's capable of becoming.



John Abraham, DE, Falcons

It is hard to knock any defensive lineman who puts up 10 sacks in eight games, but let's take a closer look at Abraham's sacks.


In Week 1, he posted a one-on-one sack against Detroit right tackle George Foster. Only six tackles gave up more sacks than Foster in 2007, and Foster started only nine games that year. He's obviously a below-average pass-blocker, so beating him isn't an indicator of great pass-rush skill.


That is the case with all four of Abraham's one-on-one sacks. He beat the Chiefs' Damion McIntosh for a sack in Week 3 and destroyed Oakland's Kwame Harris for two sacks in Week 9. McIntosh has bounced around the league throughout his career, and Harris is so bad that he probably shouldn't even be employed in the NFL.


If that wasn't enough to bring Abraham's sacks explosion into perspective, consider that four of his sacks are coverage sacks and one is a run sack. All of this doesn't mean that Abraham is having a bad season, but multiple pass-rushers are having better seasons than he is, and they deserve the Honolulu trip more than Abraham does.



Jerod Mayo, LB, Patriots

Mayo is a perfect example of a player whose tackles total raises his perceived performance level well above what it truly is. Mayo won the rookie defensive player of the month award in October largely because of his 24 tackles in that period.


Mayo's point-of-attack (POA) run metrics for the season show that he actually is struggling quite badly in one of the primary functions for his position. I have broken down six of the Patriots' eight games, and in that sample, Mayo has been at the run POA 34 times. He has defeated only six of those blocks, which equates to a POA win percentage of 17.7. If historical trends are a good indicator, that would place him in the bottom quarter of the league at season's end. His run-stuffing prowess is probably even worse than that if the 7.2 yards per attempt on the POA runs is added to the analysis.





Brandon Marshall
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Rec
Yds
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YAC

51
625
3
12.3
35
198


Brandon Marshall, WR, Broncos

I didn't want to put two players from one team on this list, but Marshall is ranked fourth in receptions and eighth in receiving yards. That type of showing all but assures he will receive much Pro Bowl consideration, so it makes him worth a closer look.


The extra examination time doesn't do him much good. Marshall is averaging only 7.1 YPA, which not only is below Pro Bowl-caliber, it also could place him in the lower half of the league in that metric at season's end. Marshall also is averaging only 7.0 YPA when facing someone in coverage, be it a cornerback, safety or linebacker. That doesn't compare favorably with his 7.4 YPA against cornerbacks in 2007 and is a sign that Marshall has regressed some in 2008.



Ronde Barber, CB, Buccaneers

It was a bit difficult to name any cornerback as overrated because the main criterion most people use to decide who to pick for the Pro Bowl at this position is interceptions, and no one has a significant lead there. But Barber is a big-name cornerback on a team that's making a resurgence, and he has a high-profile twin brother who can pitch him to a national television audience every week. That means he has a lot of advantages in the hype tiebreakers.


Where he doesn't have an advantage is in the metrics. I have graded seven of the Buccaneers' eight games, and Barber has an 11.2 YPA and a 24.1 percent success rate. Both of those are the types of statistics that would get a young player benched or cut, but Barber has the career clout that allows him to weather this type of subpar-performance storm. Just because he keeps his job, however, doesn't mean he is worthy of the postseason honor roll.

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RE: Overrated Players - 11/7/2008 1:57:13 PM   
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Bad timing on Joyner's (K.C., not Seth) article about Cutler.  He put up a monster game last night.

He is so much better than any of our QBs since Daunte it is not funny.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/7/2008 2:31:30 PM   
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I wonder what Tom Brady will be like after he returns.  McNabb is about 90-95% of what he was.  Carson Palmer appears to be much less and Daunte much less than Carson.  Major knee surgeries appear to really limit QBs going forward. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3658987

Is it possible he never returns?

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RE: Overrated Players - 11/7/2008 3:01:05 PM   
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Bad timing on Joyner's (K.C., not Seth) article about Cutler.  He put up a monster game last night.

He is so much better than any of our QBs since Daunte it is not funny.


He did have a monster game, but he's still the 2nd coming of Brett Favre at this point - and we don't know if it's the good Favre or the bad Favre yet.

Would he be far better than anything we have? Sure. But we don't know what the price would've been to get him. He was the 3rd QB taken (with serious question marks), so in hindsight a high price may have been warranted, but based on everything at the time of the draft, who knows?

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Broncos QB Jay Cutler got away with several risky throws, but his aggressiveness ultimately paid off as he passed for a career-high 447 yards and led his team on three fourth-quarter touchdown drives.
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RE: Overrated Players - 11/7/2008 3:10:37 PM   
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Since Daunte blew up his knee and later his career here, how many good QBs have we missed out on and what would have been the price to sign them?

First off, let me preface by saying that if Bard made better QB decisions his first year here we probably are not drafting #7 to get Peterson his second year.

Drew Brees - was considered an injury risk coming off shoulder surgery but was a free agent
Jay Cutler - may have needed to give up 2 #1s to get the job done
Brady Quinn - decent start but they had the training wheels on him; Peterson or Quinn?
Colt Brennan - unproven and appears to be too small?
Kurt Warner - would AZ have traded him to us in 2006?  I am shocked, I didn't think he had anything left in the tank.
Matt Schaub - we were outbid; not a favorite of mine
Byron Leftwich - this is an easy call; we were NUTS not to bring him in (wouldn't have cost us Peterson either)
Jeff Garcia - we missed out and now is probably too old
Joe Flacco - has yet to prove he is more worthy and Jared Allen
MAtt Ryan - would have had to have given up a Herschel at least to get him

Who am I missing?

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RE: Overrated Players - 11/7/2008 3:40:15 PM   
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I agree with most of that list, though I disagree on Leftwich and Brennan.

Brennan still sucks IMO.
Leftwich I like, but he doesn't fit our system at all.  He's not a WCO qb.  I think Pittsburgh is the perfect situation for him.  Now if we're talking about changing our system (which I agree with) then I'm all ears.

Brees is the big one that stands out to me.  We should have signed him.

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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/7/2008 3:46:08 PM   
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Cooley did the best 


indeed.

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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/7/2008 4:01:15 PM   
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She is decent, a little skinny in the legs though.

Leftwich would be great for a running team that utilizes play action.

The whole WCO thing is a joke anyway as we get almost nothing from traditional WCO plays.

A good coach adjusts his system to fit the talent.

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RE: No on Hall!! - 11/7/2008 4:05:07 PM   
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I agree with that, JC.  But we both know Chilly doesn't do that.  That was my point.

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RE: Overrated Players - 11/7/2008 4:23:35 PM   
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Since Daunte blew up his knee and later his career here, how many good QBs have we missed out on and what would have been the price to sign them?

First off, let me preface by saying that if Bard made better QB decisions his first year here we probably are not drafting #7 to get Peterson his second year.

Drew Brees - was considered an injury risk coming off shoulder surgery but was a free agent
Jay Cutler - may have needed to give up 2 #1s to get the job done
Brady Quinn - decent start but they had the training wheels on him; Peterson or Quinn?
Colt Brennan - unproven and appears to be too small?
Kurt Warner - would AZ have traded him to us in 2006?  I am shocked, I didn't think he had anything left in the tank.
Matt Schaub - we were outbid; not a favorite of mine
Byron Leftwich - this is an easy call; we were NUTS not to bring him in (wouldn't have cost us Peterson either)
Jeff Garcia - we missed out and now is probably too old
Joe Flacco - has yet to prove he is more worthy and Jared Allen
MAtt Ryan - would have had to have given up a Herschel at least to get him

Who am I missing?


Leftwich would've been the lowest risk, lowest cost attempt IMO. Stupid to not try him out.

Warner and Garcia were temporary band-aids at best.

I think at the time, the cost for Cutler would've been too high.

Brees was high risk, but it would've been a worthwhile risk.

Ryan would've been fantastic, but pretty near impossible.
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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/7/2008 10:17:04 PM   
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I wonder what Tom Brady will be like after he returns.  McNabb is about 90-95% of what he was.  Carson Palmer appears to be much less and Daunte much less than Carson.  Major knee surgeries appear to really limit QBs going forward. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3658987

Is it possible he never returns?

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McNabb's mobility was a big part of his game.  IMO, Palmer's injury isn't even an issue anymore, he just looked bad throwing the ball.

My guess is that Brady will come back pretty close to the same player that he was.  He was never quick, but he did move well IN the pocket.  I expect he'll be okay.

The past stud that makes me wonder is Big Ben.  He has become the stone statue.  He just refuses to get rid of the ball quickly.  His days are numbered IMO. 
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