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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/26/2008 10:50:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Easy E

Yeah, well, I'm not the biggest Favre fan, but this is the same Jets team that sucked last year.

Their offense sucked balls last year. I mean, it was pathetic, bottom dwelling offense of truly sucky proportions. Thomas Jones was the RB, Leon Washington the return/3rd down guy, and Laverneous Coles and Jericho Cotchery the leading recievers.

This year they're one of the best offenses in the league, 2nd in points ever. Thomas Jones is the running back, Leon Washington the return/3rd down guy, and Laverneous Coles and Jericho Cotchery the leading receivers.

Favre has made a huge difference to that team, they've got the 3rd best record in the league. People should probably give him his due, a lot of people thought they wouldn't even make the playoffs. It is painfully obvious that Favre has helped them a ton.

Favre's definitely a part, but I think you discount Alan Faneca and Ferguson gaining experience. Those 2 things are HUGE for the offense. Jenkins is still the MVP of that team IMO, though. I think Collinsworth is dead-on in that assessment.

I definitely don't discount Faneca, I've been saying he's the best guard (better than Hutch for years).

And Jenkins may be the MVP, who knows.

I do know that if they didn't have Favre, Jenkins would be the MVP of a sub .500 team. That offense is nothing without Favre and without the offense making that huge, gigantic, tremendous jump, the Jets aren't that good.

Similarly, the Packers are the exact same on offense except they swapped QBs. They aren't making the playoffs this year.

People can think Favre sucks, that's their perrogative.

Curious how you know this.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/26/2008 10:58:47 PM

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I maintain that Favre is a great REGULAR season QB who COULD take his team to the SB as long as the supporting cast is strong enough. If not, he probably gives you a great regular season, but his INTs cost you in the playoffs.

Especially now, Favre is no longer an effective cold weather QB, because of his old bones or what I don't know. And that is not a good thing in January in New York.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/27/2008 12:35:14 AM

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The Jets did add 6 ProBowlers to their roster during the offseason. (Marty calls six a few and claims it happens all the time, but I haven't been able to find ONE other instance of a team adding 6 ProBowlers to their squad in one offseason). As a rule, I generally don't like to debate, argue or fight with a guy that has a boner, but, for what it's worth:
The Jets have the leading rusher in their conference, the Vikings don't.
The Jets QB's have thrown more interceptions than the Vikings QB's.
The Jets QB's have had fewer pass plays of 20+ than the Vikings have.
The Jets QB's have the same amount of pass plays going for 40+ as do the Viking QB's.
Brett Favre throws 9% of his passes beyond 21 yards, so do the Viking QB's.
The Jets QB's have thrown more passes to their RB's than the Vikings QB's have thrown to theirs.

Gus+TJack shouldn't equal MVP.

I would definitely agree that Brett Favre is better than Gus and TJack, but the fact that they have so much in common, statistically, makes me think he's not even close to being the league MVP. Unless of course, if you LOVE him.

And again, the MVP of the league should NEVER EVER lead the league in interceptions.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/27/2008 5:00:40 AM

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The Jets did add 6 ProBowlers to their roster during the offseason. (Marty calls six a few and claims it happens all the time, but I haven't been able to find ONE other instance of a team adding 6 ProBowlers to their squad in one offseason). As a rule, I generally don't like to debate, argue or fight with a guy that has a boner, but, for what it's worth:
The Jets have the leading rusher in their conference, the Vikings don't.
The Jets QB's have thrown more interceptions than the Vikings QB's.
The Jets QB's have had fewer pass plays of 20+ than the Vikings have.
The Jets QB's have the same amount of pass plays going for 40+ as do the Viking QB's.
Brett Favre throws 9% of his passes beyond 21 yards, so do the Viking QB's.
The Jets QB's have thrown more passes to their RB's than the Vikings QB's have thrown to theirs.

Gus+TJack shouldn't equal MVP.

I would definitely agree that Brett Favre is better than Gus and TJack, but the fact that they have so much in common, statistically, makes me think he's not even close to being the league MVP. Unless of course, if you LOVE him.

And again, the MVP of the league should NEVER EVER lead the league in interceptions.

Classic Pete!

Mine is bigger BTW...

My list of rules that is.

< Message edited by Todd Mallett -- 11/27/2008 5:02:24 AM >

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Jonas Brothers - 11/27/2008 5:05:09 PM

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The Jonas Freaking Brothers ?

LMAO.

Had to switch that garbage off, but happened upon Elvis singing "Peace in the Valley" - on Ed Sullivan !

That was cool.

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RE: General NFL Talk - 11/27/2008 8:10:51 PM

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Starcaps Maker Issues Voluntary Recall
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AP reports the manufacturer of StarCaps has issued a recall of the product. Balanced Health Products, Inc. has been accused of spiking Starcaps with Bumetanide.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/27/2008 10:03:51 PM

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Perhaps McNabb isn't done after all?

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/27/2008 10:13:38 PM

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I can't see the game. I assume he's playing pretty well?

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/28/2008 12:15:57 AM

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3 games today ...
25 pt differential
28 pt differential
37 pt differential
Nice job NFL.
The only tradition about Detroit/Thanksgiving, is they will be taking an ass-kicking on national TV instead of no one seeing it.
Its time for that tradition to end.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/28/2008 7:51:37 AM

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Now that Brady Quinn is done for the season, his wittle wight finga needin' surgery, please
rest easy knowing he can still use his left hand to touch little boys' crotches.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/28/2008 10:23:56 AM

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Whoa, that dude in the middle seems a little intense. JOKE OVER>

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/29/2008 2:04:41 PM

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Giants WR Burress suffers accidental gunshot wound

New York Giants star wide receiver Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the leg Friday, according to multiple media reports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txgiantsburress&prov=st&type=lgns

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/29/2008 3:00:34 PM

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I was listening to NY radio today and they are about ready to move on past the Burress Era.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/29/2008 3:12:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Giants WR Burress suffers accidental gunshot wound

New York Giants star wide receiver Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the leg Friday, according to multiple media reports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txgiantsburress&prov=st&type=lgns

Is a concealed weapon legal in NY?

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/29/2008 5:32:11 PM

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McNabb info

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20081129_Fewer_Eagles_receivers_led_to_more_success.html?posted=y&viewAll=y#comments

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/29/2008 6:13:20 PM

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I really think McNabb could thrive here with Peterson.

I'd also love to see him lose 15 pounds and get back some of his quickness.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/29/2008 8:28:33 PM

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I really think McNabb could thrive here with Peterson.

Especially with his excellent play fake.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 10:31:21 AM

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Is there a bigger fraud division leader than the AZ Cardinals? It kills me to listen to Ditka talk about the Eagles beating the Cardinals exonerates McNabb and Reid - no, it doesn't.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 10:42:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Giants WR Burress suffers accidental gunshot wound

New York Giants star wide receiver Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the leg Friday, according to multiple media reports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txgiantsburress&prov=st&type=lgns

Is a concealed weapon legal in NY?

I'm not sure, but they are talking felony charges for discharging a weapon in public. And Antonio Pierce was hanging out with him at the time, and is under scrutiny. He may have disposed of the gun, which would earn him some criminal charges.

All this is per NFL network.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 10:46:11 AM

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Now that Brady Quinn is done for the season, his wittle wight finga needin' surgery, please
rest easy knowing he can still use his left hand to touch little boys' crotches.

Ewwwwww

Why would even take a picture like that?

I am surprised he hasn't built a Neverland Ranch near Cleveland

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 10:58:01 AM

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If you look at point differential, the Vikings are 18th in the NFL:

1    Giants    10    1    0    130
2    Titans    11    1    0    129
3    Jets    8    3    0    89
4    Buccaneers    8    3    0    77
5    Steelers    8    3    0    76
6    Ravens    7    4    0    71
7    Eagles    6    5    1    70
8    Panthers    8    3    0    50
9    Falcons    7    4    0    50
10    Patriots    7    4    0    45
11    Packers    5    6    0    43
12    Cowboys    8    4    0    39
13    Saints    6    5    0    39
14    Bears    6    5    0    33
15    Cardinals    7    5    0    25
16    Bills    6    5    0    24
17    Chargers    4    7    0    22
18    Vikings    6    5    0    7
19    Colts    7    4    0    3
20    Redskins    7    4    0    2
21    Dolphins    6    5    0    -8
22    Jaguars    4    7    0    -16
23    Browns    4    7    0    -30
24    Texans    4    7    0    -41
25    Broncos    6    5    0    -44
26    49ers    3    8    0    -58
27    Raiders    3    8    0    -86
28    Seahawks    2    10    0    -95
29    Bengals    1    9    1    -128
30    Chiefs    1    10    0    -131
31    Lions    0    12    0    -190
32    Rams    2    9    0    -197

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 10:58:57 AM

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#11 in the power rankings

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nfl08.htm

1 New York Giants         = 29.74   10   1   0   18.43( 29)   3 0 0 |   5 0 0 |   31.16    1 |   28.84    1
2 Tennessee Titans        = 29.52   10   1   0   19.61( 18)   2 1 0 |   5 1 0 |   30.62    2 |   28.80    2
3 Pittsburgh Steelers     = 26.03    8   3   0   19.77( 17)   1 2 0 |   1 3 0 |   25.78    3 |   26.45    5
4 Baltimore Ravens        = 25.85    7   4   0   21.18(   7)   0 4 0 |   1 4 0 |   25.39    4 |   26.52    4
5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers    = 25.63    8   3   0   19.08( 25)   2 0 0 |   5 1 0 |   24.97    8 |   26.54    3
6 Carolina Panthers       = 25.02    8   3   0   19.19( 22)   2 2 0 |   3 3 0 |   25.29    5 |   24.91    7
7 New York Jets           = 24.92    8   3   0   18.44( 28)   2 0 0 |   3 1 0 |   25.26    6 |   24.75    8
8 Indianapolis Colts      = 24.26    7   4   0   22.36(   2)   2 1 0 |   4 3 0 |   25.04    7 |   23.69   11
9 Arizona Cardinals       = 23.35    7   4   0   19.12( 24)   0 3 0 |   1 3 0 |   23.37   10 |   23.49   14
10 Atlanta Falcons         = 23.17    7   4   0   19.15( 23)   1 2 0 |   3 3 0 |   22.97   12 |   23.53   13
11 Minnesota Vikings       = 22.99    6   5   0   21.79(   3)   1 3 0 |   2 5 0 |   22.55   13 |   23.60   12
12 Chicago Bears           = 22.67    6   5   0   20.45( 11)   1 4 0 |   3 5 0 |   21.79   15 |   23.78   10
13 Green Bay Packers       = 22.62    5   6   0   21.61(   4)   1 3 0 |   3 5 0 |   20.14   19 |   25.92    6
14 Dallas Cowboys          = 22.49    7   4   0   20.07( 15)   1 2 0 |   3 2 0 |   24.06    9 |   21.22   17
15 Philadelphia Eagles     = 21.99    5   5   1   20.05( 16)   2 2 0 |   2 4 0 |   20.41   18 |   23.90    9
16 New England Patriots    = 21.66    7   4   0   17.98( 31)   1 2 0 |   1 2 0 |   22.19   14 |   21.31   16
17 New Orleans Saints      = 21.40    6   5   0   19.31( 21)   1 2 0 |   2 3 0 |   20.59   16 |   22.39   15
18 Washington Redskins     = 20.76    7   4   0   19.36( 20)   1 2 0 |   3 3 0 |   23.22   11 |   18.59   20
19 Miami Dolphins          = 19.32    6   5   0   18.85( 26)   0 3 0 |   1 4 0 |   20.43   17 |   18.35   21
20 San Diego Chargers      = 19.28    4   7   0   20.16( 14)   1 3 0 |   2 3 0 |   17.64   23 |   21.03   18
21 Buffalo Bills           = 18.59    6   5   0   17.42( 32)   0 2 0 |   0 3 0 |   18.73   21 |   18.60   19
22 Houston Texans          = 17.81    4   7   0   20.98( 10)   0 5 0 |   0 6 0 |   17.51   24 |   18.25   22
23 Cleveland Browns        = 17.65    4   7   0   21.03(   9)   1 3 0 |   1 4 0 |   18.26   22 |   17.18   24
24 Jacksonville Jaguars    = 17.14    4   7   0   20.16( 13)   1 3 0 |   1 4 0 |   16.49   25 |   17.91   23
25 Denver Broncos          = 16.89    6   5   0   18.17( 30)   2 0 0 |   2 1 0 |   19.35   20 |   13.96   25
26 Oakland Raiders         = 13.57    3   8   0   20.37( 12)   1 3 0 |   1 3 0 |   15.12   26 |   11.65   29
27 Cincinnati Bengals      = 12.81    1   9   1   23.80(   1)   0 6 0 |   0 7 1 |   13.35   27 |   12.38   28
28 San Francisco 49ers     = 12.38    3   8   0   18.49( 27)   0 3 0 |   0 6 0 |   10.86   29 |   13.65   26
29 Seattle Seahawks        = 11.62    2   9   0   19.51( 19)   0 3 0 |   0 5 0 |   10.01   31 |   12.92   27
30 St. Louis Rams          = 10.44    2   9   0   21.16(   8)   0 3 0 |   1 6 0 |   12.51   28 |    5.64   32
31 Kansas City Chiefs      = 10.08    1 10   0   21.55(   5)   0 5 0 |   0 6 0 |   10.08   30 |   10.23   30
32 Detroit Lions           =   8.36    0 11   0   21.41(   6)   0 3 0 |   0 7 0 |    4.85   32 |   10.04   31

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 12:17:32 PM

Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: El Duderino

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ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

Giants WR Burress suffers accidental gunshot wound

New York Giants star wide receiver Plaxico Burress accidentally shot himself in the leg Friday, according to multiple media reports.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=txgiantsburress&prov=st&type=lgns

Is a concealed weapon legal in NY?

I'm not sure, but they are talking felony charges for discharging a weapon in public. And Antonio Pierce was hanging out with him at the time, and is under scrutiny. He may have disposed of the gun, which would earn him some criminal charges.

All this is per NFL network.

I saw that. It suddenly disappeared when he took Plax to the hospital

I also heard that police went to Plaxico's house in NJ and were refused entrance

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 12:25:51 PM

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I really think McNabb could thrive here with Peterson.

Especially with his excellent play fake.

Good point.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 11/30/2008 3:53:51 PM

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Is there anyone who still thinks the Giants aren't that good?

After they beat the Eagles next week at home the division will be done. One more win and HFA is probably locked up before they play us.

With GB losing things are breaking well for us.

BUT WE MUST WIN TONIGHT!

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