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RE: NFL News - 9/13/2010 10:06:52 AM

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Yep
if you want to feel better about our issues .... watch the end of Buffalos game yesterday.
That took "inept coaching" to levels never seen before.
Completely clueless staff, which in turn showd on the players. Had NO idea what to do the last 5 minutes. NO idea whatsoever.

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RE: NFL News - 9/13/2010 10:43:13 AM

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You didn't like giving up a safety on purpose and then pooch punting it right to the guy in white with the best hands? I love the fact that he just waived fair catch to rub it in their faces

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RE: RE:NFL News - 9/13/2010 10:52:18 AM

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McNabb played very well. You give him Moss and Welker and see what he could do. Washington's WRs are horrible. They dropped at least 5 balls that were right in their hands.

McNabb's career compares very favorably with Elway and he is even getting Shanahan right at the same time. Now he needs Sharpe and Davis!

McNabb is on the downside of his career. He has been a good QB. He will never be compared to the likes of Brady, Manning, or Elway.

It depends on who Shanahan gets around him

McNabb's stats, wins, and production at this age are almost identical to Elway's at this point of his career. It is a fact.

The big difference is Elway made 3 Super Bowls to McNabb's 1 but the rest are very similar.

If Washington gets a 2,000 yard RB like Elway had in Denver anything is possible.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm

96 wins Elway
92 McNabb

Elway - 181 TDs/157 INTs
McNabb - 216 TDs/100 INTs

Adding a great running game pushed him over the top

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RE: RE:NFL News - 9/13/2010 10:58:25 AM

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Amazing what some players have to do to get respect.
Tom Brady is good. Damn good.

Brady gets plenty of respect.

He also was terrible in the playoff game last year.
It has been 6 years since he won the SB
And he has 0 SB wins since spygate.

However, I still think he is the best QB in the NFL. It is just he is not without flaws either.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 9/13/2010 11:26:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

McNabb played very well. You give him Moss and Welker and see what he could do. Washington's WRs are horrible. They dropped at least 5 balls that were right in their hands.

McNabb's career compares very favorably with Elway and he is even getting Shanahan right at the same time. Now he needs Sharpe and Davis!

McNabb is on the downside of his career. He has been a good QB. He will never be compared to the likes of Brady, Manning, or Elway.

It depends on who Shanahan gets around him

McNabb's stats, wins, and production at this age are almost identical to Elway's at this point of his career. It is a fact.

The big difference is Elway made 3 Super Bowls to McNabb's 1 but the rest are very similar.

If Washington gets a 2,000 yard RB like Elway had in Denver anything is possible.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm

96 wins Elway
92 McNabb

Elway - 181 TDs/157 INTs
McNabb - 216 TDs/100 INTs

Adding a great running game pushed him over the top

SB's seem to be the standard QB's are judged on in here. While I don't agree entirely it is a strong reason why I won't put McNabb in the conversation with the likes of Elway and Brady. I won't put him in with Manning either.
Time will tell on if he ever gets to the big game again.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 9/13/2010 11:37:49 AM

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Again, at this age Elway was 0-3 in the Super Bowl and at that point had produced the two lowest rated SB performances in SB history

It is not likely McNabb matches Elway's performance in his late 30s but it is not impossible.

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RE: NFL News - 9/13/2010 11:45:30 AM

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You didn't like giving up a safety on purpose and then pooch punting it right to the guy in white with the best hands? I love the fact that he just waived fair catch to rub it in their faces

My wife was livid, and she has no stake in it and really doesn't understand the game that well, and yet she knew it was horrible.
(believe she did throw out the "and you scream at Childress?" line)

The biggest thing that drives me crazy is that the players themselves, in many of these situations ... show no sense of urgency or awareness of the game and situation.
Edwards played the last 5 minutes like they were up a dozen. It's surreal at times to watch these guys, whose livelihood depends on THE GAME, and they seem to know so little about it. They had NO plan the last couple drives. NONE.

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RE: RE:NFL News - 9/13/2010 11:49:12 AM

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Again, at this age Elway was 0-3 in the Super Bowl and at that point had produced the two lowest rated SB performances in SB history

It is not likely McNabb matches Elway's performance in his late 30s but it is not impossible.

Anything is possible. IF McNabb had already played in 3 SB's by now I might feel different about him.

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RE: NFL News - 9/13/2010 11:49:21 AM

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Haynesworth standing by himself and pouting last night ..... disgraceful.
Deserves to be cut and have the contract voided.

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RE: NFL News - 9/13/2010 3:03:07 PM

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I agree SoMn

I wish all teams would start cracking down on nonsense like this. Suspend him without pay immediately.

We will learn the replacement player and cheer for him.

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Reggie Bush - 9/15/2010 9:01:42 AM

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I am not in favor of him being stripped of the Heisman. Besides being a USC homer, I think something like that should only happen when someone cheats on the field, not for recruiting violations. I think this is unprecedented and I bet you could find similar violations in many of the Heisman winners' background if you checked.

I appreciate that he voluntarily gave it up - that was the right thing to do. I also love Vince Young's supporting statement he released giving much respect to Bush' accomplishments on the field and saying Bush beat him fair and square.

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Haynesworth - 9/15/2010 9:03:00 AM

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Haynesworth standing by himself and pouting last night ..... disgraceful.
Deserves to be cut and have the contract voided.

Clayton said that this incident was not true. That meeting was for LBs and DBs only

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 9:17:21 AM

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I am not in favor of him being stripped of the Heisman. Besides being a USC homer, I think something like that should only happen when someone cheats on the field, not for recruiting violations. I think this is unprecedented and I bet you could find similar violations in many of the Heisman winners' background if you checked.

I appreciate that he voluntarily gave it up - that was the right thing to do. I also love Vince Young's supporting statement he released giving much respect to Bush' accomplishments on the field and saying Bush beat him fair and square.

The reason I will disagree is that I believe in consequences. Because of his poor decisions, his school is being punished in a really big way (and I believe there were those at the school implicit in his actions, so they deserve it), and it's going to cost them many millions of dollars when they can't go to bowls.

Having to return the Heisman is a very SMALL consequence for what he did.

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RE: Reggie Bush - 9/15/2010 10:37:38 AM

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Happens all the time with countless athletes

It is like an umpire in baseball - you can call a strike at the knees as long as you do it for everyone

Notre Dame was a HUGE violator the entire Lou Holtz era

Don't see any Heismans given back

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 10:41:39 AM

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I guess that would fall into the "everyone is doing it" argument, which I don't buy.

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 10:43:20 AM

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Heck, Mike Tice got nailed for selling SB tickets even though it was pretty clear that every team was doing it. Plenty of Universities not named USC have gotten nailed for violations that are certainly widespread. It happens, and this time USC got nailed.

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RE: Reggie Bush - 9/15/2010 11:57:53 AM

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I am not in favor of him being stripped of the Heisman. Besides being a USC homer, I think something like that should only happen when someone cheats on the field, not for recruiting violations. I think this is unprecedented and I bet you could find similar violations in many of the Heisman winners' background if you checked.

I appreciate that he voluntarily gave it up - that was the right thing to do. I also love Vince Young's supporting statement he released giving much respect to Bush' accomplishments on the field and saying Bush beat him fair and square.

I agree with you JC. After all it was his parents that were given the special treatment so they would talk him into going with that agency. as for Young didn't he first come out and say he would take the trophy since he was 2nd and then came out with a more respectful tweet later?

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 11:59:35 AM

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Special "treatment?" Weren't they given a house? Didn't Reggie notice when they moved into a really nifty house?

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 12:03:11 PM

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Special "treatment?" Weren't they given a house? Didn't Reggie notice when they moved into a really nifty house?

He didn't get anything. Should he be punished for parents sins?

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 12:14:53 PM

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If we was completely and totally unaware of what was going on, then no - he should not be held accountable. I just find it hard to believe that he didn't notice the new house.

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 1:45:31 PM

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Typically I'm the first one to stand up and scream personal responsibility & accountability...but I'm leaning more toward Reggie Bush on this one. Something just doesn't sit right.

I don't believe his infractions helped him win the heisman, not directly anyway. Did he win any other national awards during his USC career....just wondering? Also, is there a statute of limitations on something like this? It was like 5 years ago, right? Seems like they need to define some rules on taking back awards. Lastly, it's not like he killed someone (or two people). BTW, where is OJ's heisman?

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 2:11:24 PM

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Typically I'm the first one to stand up and scream personal responsibility & accountability...but I'm leaning more toward Reggie Bush on this one. Something just doesn't sit right.

I don't believe his infractions helped him win the heisman, not directly anyway. Did he win any other national awards during his USC career....just wondering? Also, is there a statute of limitations on something like this? It was like 5 years ago, right? Seems like they need to define some rules on taking back awards. Lastly, it's not like he killed someone (or two people). BTW, where is OJ's heisman?

BINGO!!!!

I draw a line between things that help a player on the field and those that don't.

His mom getting a car made him avoid tackles?

How about the NCAA Champion Villanova team where one of their stars admitted being high on cocaine not only during the final 4 but when he met President Reagan?!!!

That was far worse than Bush

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 2:57:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

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ORIGINAL: Karl H

Typically I'm the first one to stand up and scream personal responsibility & accountability...but I'm leaning more toward Reggie Bush on this one. Something just doesn't sit right.

I don't believe his infractions helped him win the heisman, not directly anyway. Did he win any other national awards during his USC career....just wondering? Also, is there a statute of limitations on something like this? It was like 5 years ago, right? Seems like they need to define some rules on taking back awards. Lastly, it's not like he killed someone (or two people). BTW, where is OJ's heisman?

BINGO!!!!

I draw a line between things that help a player on the field and those that don't.

His mom getting a car made him avoid tackles?

How about the NCAA Champion Villanova team where one of their stars admitted being high on cocaine not only during the final 4 but when he met President Reagan?!!!

That was far worse than Bush

I don't know. GW was a pretty bad president.

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 3:25:40 PM

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And in the end, Reggie didn't sign with that agency and that is why it all came out in public.

I still think Pete Rose should be in the HOF because his numbers also

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RE: NFL News - 9/15/2010 3:37:32 PM

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I'm going to come back to my original point:

Consequences

Because of what Bush and his family did - the school, the football program, and all of the other players suffered quite a large consequence. You don't need for me to describe the punishment that all of those entities have been given because of what the Bush's did.

Reggie didn't have to suffer those consequences because he was already out and earning millions in the NFL. I think it is only fair that he suffer a consequence too - and that came in the form of having to give back the trophy.

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