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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 8:42:39 PM   
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It's becoming fashionable for owners to fire their head coaches! Any bets on who is next?


John Fox. But after the season is over.

Other definites: Marvin Lewis, Kubiak (I still like him)

Possible: Singletary, Fisher, Whisenhunt, Turner, Gailey

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 8:44:08 PM   
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Why after the season is over? That doesn't seem to be in fashion any more.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 8:46:53 PM   
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Why after the season is over? That doesn't seem to be in fashion any more.


I think there's something with his contract that is holding him back; can't remember the full story there.

Should have been fired weeks ago. He's quit on his team.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 8:48:29 PM   
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Who is Nancy Gay?


I was wondering that too.

Looks cute

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 8:58:06 PM   
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The refs are just giving this game to the Pats

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 8:58:45 PM   
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They're also a better team though.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:02:21 PM   
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They're also a better team though.


With a couple of caveats

1. If both teams were at full strength the Jets are a better team

2. Ryan is coaching this game like a horse's ass

Without Leonard and Jenkins the Jets defense is not that good.

Incredibly bad play calling and decisions on offense tonight

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:22:31 PM   
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I don't know, JC.

The Jets are very talented, no doubt. But I still think QB separates these teams. The Jets' QB is mediocre at best IMO. The Pats' QB is the best QB in the last decade.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:25:42 PM   
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I don't know, JC.

The Jets are very talented, no doubt. But I still think QB separates these teams. The Jets' QB is mediocre at best IMO. The Pats' QB is the best QB in the last decade.


No doubt the Pats have a big edge at QB. But Sanchez is above mediocre.

The Jets have much better receivers and running backs.

Both teams won at home versus the other.

I think the Pats schedule down the road is easier also so this should secure the division for them.

I will be very surprised if the Pats make the Super Bowl. Even if they do, I will be laying big money on the Giants, Saints, or Eagles to beat them.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:29:48 PM   
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I'd take any of the Pats/Steelers/Ravens over anyone from the NFC right now. Jets would be close; again, QB to me.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:36:52 PM   
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I'll add this;

The Pats have really restocked their team with talented youth the last couple of years. McCourty/Spikes/Mayo, etc. After all the picks they have this draft, and how well they've fared there, they figure to be the most talented team in the league again in the next couple of years. I'm incredibly jealous of their draft picks.

2 #1's
2 #2's
2 #3's
2 #4's

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:36:59 PM   
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I'd take any of the Pats/Steelers/Ravens over anyone from the NFC right now. Jets would be close; again, QB to me.


You have a bet

The Giants/Saints/Eagles will kill the Steelers or Ravens. Their offenses are putrid. It won't even be close.

Belichick and Brady will keep it close if they make it.


JETS

I know Sanchez threw a bad pick there but that is on the play call. The Pats are playing 8 men back with no room

RUN THE BALL

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:37:42 PM   
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The Steelers and Ravens wouldn't even make the top 5 NFC teams. Did you watch them play last night?

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:38:15 PM   
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Their offenses aren't great. But I'm not sold on the Eagles/Giants doing a lot against those defenses either.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:38:46 PM   
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The Steelers and Ravens wouldn't even make the top 5 NFC teams. Did you watch them play last night?


Yep.

I disagree. They play tough football.

Ravens/Falcons game was close as hell. AT ATL.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:43:48 PM   
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Their offenses aren't great. But I'm not sold on the Eagles/Giants doing a lot against those defenses either.


The Ravens defense is not that good. This is not the old Ravens

The Bills scored 34 on them in Baltimore

The Falcons beat them and put up 26 with Flacco moving at will on them in the 4th quarter

The Eagles will score on anyone and the Ravens won't

The Ravens played the 4th best team in the NFC and lost already

The Steelers are even worse. The Saints beat them by 10 points.

This is not a good year for the AFC

THe NFC's top teams are clearly better

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:45:57 PM   
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The Steelers and Ravens wouldn't even make the top 5 NFC teams. Did you watch them play last night?


Yep.

I disagree. They play tough football.

Ravens/Falcons game was close as hell. AT ATL.


The Falcons are about teh 4th best team in the NFC and they went 80 yards in 40 seconds to win that game

The Ravens defense is a shell of its former self

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:48:59 PM   
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I don't like the Pats but they are clearly the best team in the AFC right now.

That said, the Jaguars could go into New England and beat them in the playoffs. I know people are laughing but when their running game is firing on all cylinders they can play anyone close.

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RE: NFL News - 12/6/2010 9:54:11 PM   
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Could be. We'll see, JC. I think December/January football is a whole different animal. And you can't underestimate the best coach in the game for the Pats.

Screw any other plans for the Vikes; let's just give up the next 2 drafts for Belichek.

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RE: NFL News - 12/7/2010 12:09:44 AM   
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Who is Nancy Gay?


I was wondering that too.


She's NFL Senior Editor for Foxsports.com.   She used to cover the NFL for the San Francisco Chronicle, but like many print journalists has moved to a web gig.  

I follow her on twitter for her interesting perspective - she's an athlete as well as a journalist.

Here's her twitter profile...

Nancy Gay @nancygay Santa Monica/Los Angeles, CA NFL Senior Editor for FOXSports.com, beaten-down scribe, surfer, climber, fixed gear cyclist. http://msn.foxsports.com/




            

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RE: NFL News - 12/7/2010 11:49:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

It's becoming fashionable for owners to fire their head coaches! Any bets on who is next?


John Fox. But after the season is over.

Other definites: Marvin Lewis, Kubiak (I still like him)

Possible: Singletary, Fisher, Whisenhunt, Turner, Gailey


I thought I heard that Fox is on last year of his contract

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RE: NFL News - 12/7/2010 12:13:32 PM   
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Kubiak is like Norv Turner - should remain OC only

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Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?????? - 12/7/2010 2:26:35 PM   
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...Bears - Pats, @ Vik, Jets, @GB
Green Bay - @Det, @Pats, Giants, Bears
Saints - Rams, @Ravens, @ATl, TB
ATL - @Car, @Sea, Saints, Car
Eagles - @Dal, @Giants, Vikings, Dal
Giants - @Vikings, Eagles, @GB, @Was


Of those 6 teams 3 get divisions, 2 get wild cards and 1 goes home for the winter. (And that is assuming Tampa is done)

ATL is a basic lock with as bad as Carolina is. The worst they can do is 12 wins.

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RE: Playoffs? PLAYOFFS?????? - 12/7/2010 4:39:14 PM   
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Haynesworth Suspended for rest of season!

Updated Dec 7, 2010 5:22 PM ET Simmering all year, the antagonism between Albert Haynesworth and Mike Shanahan finally reached the boiling point Tuesday when the two-time All-Pro defensive lineman was suspended by the Washington Redskins coach without pay for the rest of the season.


Citing a litany of acts that essentially add up to season-long insubordination, the Redskins suspended Haynesworth for ''conduct detrimental to the club'' and told him he's not welcome for the team's final four games - and making it extremely unlikely he will play for the club again.


''Despite the club's numerous attempts to persuade Albert Haynesworth to abide by the terms of his contract, he has repeatedly refused to cooperate with our coaching staff in a variety of ways over an extended period of time,'' Shanahan said in statement released by the team. ''Among other things, he has consistently indicated to our defensive coaches that he refuses to play in our base defense or on first-down or second-down nickel situations. He has also refused to follow the instructions of our coaches both during weekly practices and during actual games as well.


''Yesterday, when Albert was at Redskin Park, he told our general manager Bruce Allen that he (Haynesworth) would no longer speak with me. Although suspending any player is not a decision that a head coach enters into lightly, I believe the situation has reached the point where the club clearly has no alternative.''


Allen informed Haynesworth of the suspension Tuesday morning. Haynesworth's agent, Chad Speck, was reviewing the suspension and planned to release a statement later Tuesday. George Atallah, spokesman for the NFL players' union, said on Twitter: ''All I can say at this time is that the NFLPA is reviewing the details.''


Defensive lineman Vonnie Holliday, the Redskins' player representative for the union, said he expects an appeal.


''It's tough to suspend a guy for four games and take his pay,'' Holliday said. ''As a player, you never want to see that. ... I'm sure there's some situations where that's warranted, but in this situation, I'm not sure.''


It wasn't hard to see this coming. Haynesworth and Shanahan have been going at it almost from the day the hard-nosed coach who won two Super Bowls with the Denver Broncos was hired by the Redskins in January.


Haynesworth skipped offseason workouts because he didn't want to play nose tackle in the 3-4 defense the new coaches were installing, preferring instead to play in a scheme that would showcase his talent and help achieve his goal of becoming ''the best defense tackle to ever play this game.'' Shanahan told Haynesworth to go find another team, contingent upon giving up a $21 million contract bonus due on April 1.


Haynesworth didn't want to give up that much money, so he stayed on the roster and remained disgruntled. He boycotted a mandatory minicamp, drawing a $10,000 fine and searing comments about being ''selfish'' from defensive captain London Fletcher. He became a league-wide punch line when he needed 10 days to pass a conditioning test at the start of training camp.


He complained about playing with the backups in preseason games. He received sympathetic words and support from Shanahan and the rest of the team when he missed a regular season game following the death of his half brother in a motorcycle accident, but he waited so long to return that the coach made him inactive for the following game as well.
Then, last week, Haynesworth had a lackluster practice on Thursday, was late for a meeting on Friday and was also limited at Friday's practice because of an unspecified illness. Haynesworth denied a television report that he appeared ''hung over'' at practice, saying he had gone out the night before and went home early because he ''wasn't feeling good.''


Shanahan made Haynesworth inactive for Sunday's game against the New York Giants, waiting until the morning of the game to announce the decision. Haynesworth likely wouldn't have made much difference in the 31-7 loss because he had become a marginal role-player, coming into the game mostly on passing downs because of his resistance to playing nose tackle in the 3-4.


Still, Haynesworth's teammates were getting fed up.


Defensive lineman Phillip Daniels called out Haynesworth on Monday, citing Haynesworth's lack of willingness to buy into the concept of team and the multiple practices Haynesworth has missed while others kept showing up despite illnesses and injuries.


''Unfortunately, Albert's behavior has his credibility in question,'' Holliday said. ''This is my first year with Albert. Some of these guys are in their second year. For them, there's certainly a credibility issue. How many times can you cry wolf?''


Haynesworth played in only eight games this season and didn't start any of them, totaling just 16 tackles and 2 1/2 sacks. Holliday said he thought Haynesworth felt a ''tremendous amount of pressure'' to live up to the big contract and reach Hall of Fame level. Nevertheless, Holliday felt Haynesworth would eventually warm to defensive coordinator Jim Haslett's scheme, but it never happened.


''He never really changed his mind,'' Holliday said. ''He never really bought into coach Has and what he was trying to do with our defense.''
Haynesworth will not be allowed at Redskins Park for practices or meetings for the final four weeks of the season. The suspension will cost him about $847,000 in salary, a mere trifle amid the $41 million guaranteed in the seven-year contract he signed with the Redskins as a free agent last year after seven seasons with the Tennessee Titans.


The player who infamously said ''You're not going to remember Albert Haynesworth as a bust'' on the day he signed the deal stands to become the biggest bust in Dan Snyder's 11 years as Redskins owner, quite an achievement considering the money overspent on underachievers such as Deion Sanders and Adam Archuleta.
By suspending Haynesworth instead of releasing him, the Redskins keep him from getting what he might have coveted - a chance to play for a contender late in the season. However, it seems almost certain that the Redskins will have to try to trade Haynesworth in the offseason, although his trade value will have plummeted because other teams know Shanahan won't want him back.


''It was a very volatile relationship to begin with,'' Holliday said. ''Over the last several months, things have been adding up. The coach wants things one way, the player wants things a different way. It can cause a rift. It puts the players in a difficult situation.''

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RE: NFL News - 12/7/2010 10:54:58 PM   
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The Steelers and Ravens wouldn't even make the top 5 NFC teams. Did you watch them play last night?


Typical Raven/Steeler game, I know it's cliche but it was your usual knock down, drag him out fight. One thing I never understand when watching these teams, especially from the Ravens is why both teams are so scared to make plays against one another. The Ravens really could've pushed the ball down field more and used Rice out of the backfield. They just let the Steelers hang around, and Big Ben always makes them pay by games end, 7 straight wins against the Ravens for Ben.
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