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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 8:50:30 PM

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How about getting rid of all conferences?
Just a Western conference and an Eastern conference.
Make the old conferences into divisions.
Play 9 division games (or 8) and one 2 intra-conference games (one home, one road).
Then go with an NFL format for the playoff based on record.

I'm good with that. Hell, we're going to have something more similar to that soon anyway when the NCAA is inevitably abolished and all players are (finally) getting paid. Plus basically only 50-60 schools mattering at all in these things. That day is coming very, very soon.

I'm ready.
Some of the old guard aren't.
But I am.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 9:26:42 PM

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I'm still scratching my head as to how my Boise State Broncos are able to weasel their way into the Fiesta Bowl after a win vs. Utah State. Yes, it took some help like Colorado State losing to Air Force and Marshall losing that total head scratcher against the mighty Hilltoppers. And yes, we still have to win the Mountain West Conference Championship vs. an awful Fresno State squad, but after years of being really good and being on the outside looking in, I'm more than okay w/ it. I was reading some Marshall fans getting upset about being bounced from the top 25 because of the strength of schedule. All I could think was welcome to my world. I don't necessarily think we deserve a major bowl berth after losing to Ole Miss and Air Force, but you know what? I'll take it!

Fresno state has made major improvements over the last 3 weeks or so. Benched some defensive starters and replaced them with kids that were hungry to play and got much better in the process. Benched the starting QB for a game and now he looks like a totally different player. Could be a fun game Saturday. Go Dogs!

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 9:44:03 PM

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I'm still scratching my head as to how my Boise State Broncos are able to weasel their way into the Fiesta Bowl after a win vs. Utah State. Yes, it took some help like Colorado State losing to Air Force and Marshall losing that total head scratcher against the mighty Hilltoppers. And yes, we still have to win the Mountain West Conference Championship vs. an awful Fresno State squad, but after years of being really good and being on the outside looking in, I'm more than okay w/ it. I was reading some Marshall fans getting upset about being bounced from the top 25 because of the strength of schedule. All I could think was welcome to my world. I don't necessarily think we deserve a major bowl berth after losing to Ole Miss and Air Force, but you know what? I'll take it!

Viking Don's nephew is BSU's starting center. Marcus Henry.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 11:00:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Art

How about getting rid of all conferences?
Just a Western conference and an Eastern conference.
Make the old conferences into divisions.
Play 9 division games (or 8) and one 2 intra-conference games (one home, one road).
Then go with an NFL format for the playoff based on record.

I'm good with that. Hell, we're going to have something more similar to that soon anyway when the NCAA is inevitably abolished and all players are (finally) getting paid. Plus basically only 50-60 schools mattering at all in these things. That day is coming very, very soon.

I'm ready.
Some of the old guard aren't.
But I am.

Yep. And let's all be adults and be honest about this; most of these guys are getting paid now anyway. So let's at least bring it into the light and regulate it. The schools shouldn't be making billions (collectively) while these 18-22 year olds risk their lives every day on the football field.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 11:09:21 PM

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ORIGINAL: Art

How about getting rid of all conferences?
Just a Western conference and an Eastern conference.
Make the old conferences into divisions.
Play 9 division games (or 8) and one 2 intra-conference games (one home, one road).
Then go with an NFL format for the playoff based on record.

I'm good with that. Hell, we're going to have something more similar to that soon anyway when the NCAA is inevitably abolished and all players are (finally) getting paid. Plus basically only 50-60 schools mattering at all in these things. That day is coming very, very soon.

I'm ready.
Some of the old guard aren't.
But I am.

Yep. And let's all be adults and be honest about this; most of these guys are getting paid now anyway. So let's at least bring it into the light and regulate it. The schools shouldn't be making billions (collectively) while these 18-22 year olds risk their lives every day on the football field.

The other sports are gonna suffer though.
85 athletes vs. the rest.
Gotta find fair ground.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 11:23:19 PM

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Ya, but I don't have a huge issue with it. It's about market value. I like basketball and baseball WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more than football, but if people want to/are willing to pay more for football, then so be it. That's what the market bears.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 11:29:29 PM

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I'm thinking more that baseball is gonna become a club sport. Like golf.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 11:31:41 PM

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Could be, Art. It's very, very difficult already for baseball in college because of the money. I had so many friends that were "promised" baseball scholarships in college and got screwed by the system. Baseball's just tougher to make it in than the other sports, period. Takes those guys 6-7 years from high school to "get it" if they ever do. They'll always fight an uphill battle in college sports.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/1/2014 11:33:59 PM

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Could be, Art. It's very, very difficult already for baseball in college because of the money. I had so many friends that were "promised" baseball scholarships in college and got screwed by the system. Baseball's just tougher to make it in than the other sports, period. Takes those guys 6-7 years from high school to "get it" if they ever do. They'll always fight an uphill battle in college sports.

I know, I was promised a baseball scholarship, and given a Golf scholarship instead....

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 7:19:33 AM

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So, Nebraska fan is wearing down F5 on Husker message boards looking for news on the next man up. Of course I'm one of 'em.

Rumors are all over about Tressel...I don't see that, but some reliable insiders are adamant that he may even be named today....

I'd love to hear how Art and McMurfy feel about Scott Frost, though I hate to do the unproven coordinator thing...but love him and think he really could be a legit option

Nebraska Fan's overinflated sense of self importance has us in the mix for Patterson, Mullen, Bielema, Richt, and Jerry Kill (among others) as if Dear Ol' Nebraska University is a better program than any of those schools (including Minnesota...ha)

I think I like McElwain from CSU would be great...

not loving the idea of riding the Vest's coattails, though some "Insiders" suggest Frost would come here with Tressel as OC/Asst HC and be the HC in waiting...

that just seems weird...

bottom line though is that Bo needed to go and we are ready for a fresh start at Nebraska...

any thoughts from college fans here?

(Steve, I want to hear your take)

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 8:03:45 AM

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Ya, but I don't have a huge issue with it. It's about market value. I like basketball and baseball WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYY more than football, but if people want to/are willing to pay more for football, then so be it. That's what the market bears.

Nothing wrong with "rightsizing" the other college sports as well. Teams don't need to crisscross the country in track, gymnastics, etc, to achieve the mission of combining sport and school. Play your closer neighbors more and the team from across the country less. Unfortunately, conferences are no longer geographically sensible, but you can still work it out.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 9:25:19 AM

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So, Nebraska fan is wearing down F5 on Husker message boards looking for news on the next man up. Of course I'm one of 'em.

Rumors are all over about Tressel...I don't see that, but some reliable insiders are adamant that he may even be named today....

I'd love to hear how Art and McMurfy feel about Scott Frost, though I hate to do the unproven coordinator thing...but love him and think he really could be a legit option

Nebraska Fan's overinflated sense of self importance has us in the mix for Patterson, Mullen, Bielema, Richt, and Jerry Kill (among others) as if Dear Ol' Nebraska University is a better program than any of those schools (including Minnesota...ha)

I think I like McElwain from CSU would be great...

not loving the idea of riding the Vest's coattails, though some "Insiders" suggest Frost would come here with Tressel as OC/Asst HC and be the HC in waiting...

that just seems weird...

bottom line though is that Bo needed to go and we are ready for a fresh start at Nebraska...

any thoughts from college fans here?

(Steve, I want to hear your take)

Chris, I think on the one hand you're right that they maybe think more of themselves than they should. If I'm an 18 year old recruit I sure as hell don't want to live in Lincoln vs. a whole host of other cities. Hell, most cities in the country (no offense to those in Lincoln). But on the other hand they do have some good history, tremendous backing in the area, and some of the best facilities in the country. I think they're a notch below a few schools like USC/Texas/Michigan/Alabama/Florida/Ohio State and maybe another one or two as far as historical advantages, recruiting advantages, area, etc. But I do think they're in the next tier. Maybe National Championships shouldn't be the expectation there but "competing" every year (10-15) should be. IMO.

I think Pelini needed to go. I always favor a younger coach with a fresh model/start. No more retreads.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 9:36:00 AM

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Agreed, Dustin...thanks for the input

I think you pegged Nebraska's status pretty well...I think the school and fanbase should be able to think they can be a legit top ten program perennially, though, as much as any Big Ten school at least...that isn't far fetched...

I think any school with the right coach can be a NC contender, esp with a playoff...

The more I think about it, I like Frost as the guy...but I think they are shooting "higher" for a more established guy with HC experience...

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 9:42:47 AM

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I think Frost would be great for Nebraska, given some time to do some things his way, which might mean the Oregon way.
That means up tempo, high character guys, HS team captains, sports science etc.
The culture in Lincoln I think would be fine with that.
He really has only been calling plays for two years, but Helfrich never called the plays under Kelly.
Most Oregon fans know it's only a matter of time before Frost goes, but because most of the rest of the staff are lifers with 20+ years at Oregon, we can move on without him.

I think he'd be great, the players really like him and I think he'd be great with the alumni.
Plus him being a local guy like Helfrich, you might have a long term solution without worrying about a different school or the NFL.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 10:06:17 AM

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oh, cool, McMurfy...I wasn't sure whether he was calling plays or not...that is a bonus!

Frost has talked about developing an offense based on Oregon with elements of Nebraska's 90's offenses...

Now if we could find a Mariotta to run it...lol

But I think Frost could be the homerun we want here, despite those wanting the proven HC...

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 10:26:40 AM

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Frost is as good as hired.
At least that's the impression I got when he talked with a local reporter here.
Wouldn't confirm or deny anything.
Only said asking that question wasn't fair to his players who are working to win the PAC12 Championship.

As long as Musgrave doesn't come here to be OC we'll be able to plug someone in.
It's a simple system.
The preparation, talent and tempo are what make it work.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 1:07:50 PM

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"I would answer your question if I weren't completely focused on Arizona"

he said with a smirk...

I kind of hope you are right, Art (and McMurfy)...

I think Frost has the right skills to be an HC...

I just wonder if our AD might think he is not a big enough hire...or whether he has a legit staff ready to go...I suppose if he doesn't, he wouldn't be HC material in the first place.

I love how the Oregon staff just seems to be "next man up" no matter who they lose...good program!

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 6:05:38 PM

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Vegas says it's Frost. Though the name Mullen was swirling around a lot today as well.
Frost would love to come home and get his 1st HC job. I wonder if he's ready though? Experience is big with me. Can he put together a staff? Can he recruit? Is he ready for prime time?
We've been told resources won't be an issue and I believe we will have plenty of interested candidates. 9 win seasons don't cut it here. Nebraska always gets 9 wins. It's a lot of pressure to a first time HC or anybody for that matter. I think the decision has been made though. I will welcome Frost knowing he knows all about the winning tradition here and the huge expectations. He will bring some fresh ideas and probably be a big hit with the boosters. I'm ready for change.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 6:15:58 PM

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Big 10 has 2 of the top eight rated teams in the country and 3 in the top 13.
Kind of shocking isn't it?

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 6:51:56 PM

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Frost's lack of Head Coaching experience should be negated for the folowing reasons.

He played under Bill Walsh at Stanford on Defense.
He played under Tom Osborne on offense.
He played 6 years in the NFL under Parcells, Belichek and Gruden.
He was a Co defensive Coordinator at Northern Iowa
He coached one year under Bill Snyder at Kansas State.
He was a QB coach under Chip Kelly at Oregon
and a play calling Offensive Coordinator under Mark Helfrich at Oregon.

Now tell me, would you rather have him or Rick Neuheisel or Tyrone Willingham?

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 7:29:33 PM

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Frost's lack of Head Coaching experience should be negated for the folowing reasons.

He played under Bill Walsh at Stanford on Defense.
He played under Tom Osborne on offense.
He played 6 years in the NFL under Parcells, Belichek and Gruden.
He was a Co defensive Coordinator at Northern Iowa
He coached one year under Bill Snyder at Kansas State.
He was a QB coach under Chip Kelly at Oregon
and a play calling Offensive Coordinator under Mark Helfrich at Oregon.

Now tell me, would you rather have him or Rick Neuheisel or Tyrone Willingham?

I'd prefer Jim McElwain. Unfortunately Florida might too.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 8:05:05 PM

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Frost's lack of Head Coaching experience should be negated for the folowing reasons.

He played under Bill Walsh at Stanford on Defense.
He played under Tom Osborne on offense.
He played 6 years in the NFL under Parcells, Belichek and Gruden.
He was a Co defensive Coordinator at Northern Iowa
He coached one year under Bill Snyder at Kansas State.
He was a QB coach under Chip Kelly at Oregon
and a play calling Offensive Coordinator under Mark Helfrich at Oregon.

Now tell me, would you rather have him or Rick Neuheisel or Tyrone Willingham?

I'd prefer Jim McElwain. Unfortunately Florida might too.

Really?
Because of his three whole years as a Head Coach including a loss to North Dakota State?

Dan Hawkins II

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 8:42:15 PM

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Vegas says it's Frost. Though the name Mullen was swirling around a lot today as well.
Frost would love to come home and get his 1st HC job. I wonder if he's ready though? Experience is big with me. Can he put together a staff? Can he recruit? Is he ready for prime time?
We've been told resources won't be an issue and I believe we will have plenty of interested candidates. 9 win seasons don't cut it here. Nebraska always gets 9 wins. It's a lot of pressure to a first time HC or anybody for that matter. I think the decision has been made though. I will welcome Frost knowing he knows all about the winning tradition here and the huge expectations. He will bring some fresh ideas and probably be a big hit with the boosters. I'm ready for change.

my biggest question about Frost is whether he can assemble a legit staff...

i think he has all the leadership tools,all the intangibles, to be a great HC...can he get the other parts together in short time?

Would an experienced DC come to work with him?

Is his a situation where there are just too many question marks for Eichorst? I don't know if he'll go for that...

i just don't know if the job is a good enough job to other HC's out there...

people are saying Shaw, Mullen, Patterson, Richt, etc...but why the heck would any of those guys come to NU from the excellent programs they are already at?

I still can't really imagine Tressel and not sure if a 62 year old coach with baggage would be the way to go...but some serious "insider" posters at Huskers Online are convinced it is a done deal with him...

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 8:43:13 PM

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Vegas says it's Frost. Though the name Mullen was swirling around a lot today as well.
Frost would love to come home and get his 1st HC job. I wonder if he's ready though? Experience is big with me. Can he put together a staff? Can he recruit? Is he ready for prime time?
We've been told resources won't be an issue and I believe we will have plenty of interested candidates. 9 win seasons don't cut it here. Nebraska always gets 9 wins. It's a lot of pressure to a first time HC or anybody for that matter. I think the decision has been made though. I will welcome Frost knowing he knows all about the winning tradition here and the huge expectations. He will bring some fresh ideas and probably be a big hit with the boosters. I'm ready for change.

my biggest question about Frost is whether he can assemble a legit staff...

i think he has all the leadership tools,all the intangibles, to be a great HC...can he get the other parts together in short time?

Would an experienced DC come to work with him?

Is his a situation where there are just too many question marks for Eichorst? I don't know if he'll go for that...

i just don't know if the job is a good enough job to other HC's out there...

people are saying Shaw, Mullen, Patterson, Richt, etc...but why the heck would any of those guys come to NU from the excellent programs they are already at?

I still can't really imagine Tressel and not sure if a 62 year old coach with baggage would be the way to go...but some serious "insider" posters at Huskers Online are convinced it is a done deal with him...

Leslie Frazier might be available.

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RE: College Football (Future Vikings!) - 12/2/2014 11:38:01 PM

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Vegas says it's Frost. Though the name Mullen was swirling around a lot today as well.
Frost would love to come home and get his 1st HC job. I wonder if he's ready though? Experience is big with me. Can he put together a staff? Can he recruit? Is he ready for prime time?
We've been told resources won't be an issue and I believe we will have plenty of interested candidates. 9 win seasons don't cut it here. Nebraska always gets 9 wins. It's a lot of pressure to a first time HC or anybody for that matter. I think the decision has been made though. I will welcome Frost knowing he knows all about the winning tradition here and the huge expectations. He will bring some fresh ideas and probably be a big hit with the boosters. I'm ready for change.

my biggest question about Frost is whether he can assemble a legit staff...

i think he has all the leadership tools,all the intangibles, to be a great HC...can he get the other parts together in short time?

Would an experienced DC come to work with him?

Is his a situation where there are just too many question marks for Eichorst? I don't know if he'll go for that...

i just don't know if the job is a good enough job to other HC's out there...

people are saying Shaw, Mullen, Patterson, Richt, etc...but why the heck would any of those guys come to NU from the excellent programs they are already at?

I still can't really imagine Tressel and not sure if a 62 year old coach with baggage would be the way to go...but some serious "insider" posters at Huskers Online are convinced it is a done deal with him...

Yes that the word around here. Tressel comes on as head coach and Frost comes as the offensive coordinator and some other title showing he will have the job in the future. Sound like way to many things to put together for me. Tressel has baggage and i don't know if Eichorst wants any of that.

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