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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/18/2012 1:30:52 PM   
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Manning also threw a pick 6 to put them in the hole

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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/18/2012 1:34:07 PM   
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The networks are calling the Broncos comeback one of Peyton Manning's best.

Except that he was responsible for just 21 of the points and was put in good field position at least once by the defense.  The DEFENSE picked off Rivers 4 times, ran 2 of them back for TDs, also recovered a fumble...  This credit for this comeback should be all Broncos D.  Manning did some nice things and certainly helped...but the DEFENSE should be getting the game ball for all the turnovers.  Without those...the Broncos lose.


Maybe give the game ball to Phillip Rivers...
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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/18/2012 1:36:05 PM   
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Overcoming a pick 6 is pretty rare. I think after a team gives up a pick 6, it's about a 20% chance or less that they'll win the game.

Good comeback by the Broncos !!! I wonder if Tebow was praying for them to win, or if he was praying for them to LOSE during the 1st half ? Maybe someone else in Denver has a direct connection to the Big Guy in the Sky ?
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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/21/2012 10:47:02 PM   
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I think the Packers and the Giants are the 2 best teams in the NFL.

Either team can go 9-7 and go on to win the SB.

They can do it because of GREAT QBing (Manning, Rodgers), along with a good #1 WR (Cruz, Nelson) and some good contributing WRs.

Viking fans are foolish if they think, 'just get into the playoffs and anything can happen', thinking the Vikes can really go all the way. They, as of yet, don't have great QBing, and they don't have a #1 WR.
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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/22/2012 11:29:43 AM   
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I think the Packers and the Giants are the 2 best teams in the NFL.

Either team can go 9-7 and go on to win the SB.

They can do it because of GREAT QBing (Manning, Rodgers), along with a good #1 WR (Cruz, Nelson) and some good contributing WRs.

Viking fans are foolish if they think, 'just get into the playoffs and anything can happen', thinking the Vikes can really go all the way. They, as of yet, don't have great QBing, and they don't have a #1 WR.


So WTF is Percy Harvin...Chopped liver?

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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 12:20:52 PM   
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11. Washington (3-4). Odd to have a losing team No. 11, but Robert Griffin III makes all things possible. The rookie made a couple of plays in the fourth quarterback at the Meadowlands, under pressure, that caused the Giants to gush about him endlessly. "Best quarterback we've faced all season,'' Osi Umenyiora said.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/10/21/week-7/index.html#ixzz2A37KQr7t

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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 12:27:55 PM   
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Robert Griffin III leaves his mark in New Jersey.

I always judge the mark of an incredible play in an NFL game by the reaction it gets in the NBC viewing room on the fifth floor of our Rockefeller Center building in Manhattan. And when Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III had a 4th-and-10 with 2:07 left at the Meadowlands, his team down 20-16 to the Giants, this is the sound I recall hearing from the likes of Rodney Harrison, Tony Dungy, Dan Patrick, Mike Florio and a score of other football wackos in the room as Griffin took the snap, looked for a receiver, found them covered, then rolled left, Giants chasing him -- "Getridofit! ... Noooooo! .... Whoaa!!! ... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!''

Sounded louder than "Born To Run" at a Springsteen concert. Somehow, some way, as the law was closing in, Griffin, stumbling forward, threw a low 19-yard strike to tight end Logan Paulsen. "Even though you don't know what's going to happen, you have some kind of feeling that something good is going to happen,'' RGIII said. "That's the way I try to play. No matter what's called I always feel like it's going to work. If it doesn't work, we will make it work some way or another.''

Watching this game, I kept thinking how glad I was that Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen paid whatever it is they paid to deal for Griffin. And whatever it is, it'll be worth it. He's one of the great, special players to come into the league in the 29 seasons I've covered it. No play's ever over. Though he's running for his well-being on 10 or 12 plays a game, he still leads the NFL after seven games of his rookie year with a 70.4 percent completion rate. Once he gets the kind of protection Shanahan and Allen will build for him, he'll be better, and the Redskins will be competing for championships. That's right -- plural.
"I'm pretty mad at the football gods for putting him in the NFC East,'' Justin Tuck of the Giants said. "To face that guy twice a year is going to be a headache. He takes away from your enthusiasm for the game a little bit, when you play a play perfectly and he still has 4.3 speed to run by guys and make plays.''
Tuck's GM, Jerry Reese, has the right idea taking all those defensive linemen high in drafts. He shouldn't stop. They need to come in droves at Griffin, because he'll tire them out. Three plays after the miracle 4th-and-10 conversion, Griffin threw the go-ahead touchdown pass, a perfect 30-yarder right over Santana Moss' shoulder. I thought that was the ballgame.

And yet, there's Eli to win another game late. Eli Manning is decidedly the anti-RGIII, a pocket guy who can escape trouble but not make a living at it. What Manning does is precisely what he did after Griffin strafed the Giants: He threw a perfect arcing shot to Victor Cruz, splitting two Washington defenders, for a 77-yard winner. Manning is amazing. Fourth quarter after fourth quarter -- Patriots, Niners, Packers, Redskins, whoever -- it doesn't matter. There is no quarterback in the NFL in the same league as Manning when the game's on the line. And for a kid, Griffin's pretty clutch himself.

So get used to this. Manning's had a good rivalry with Tony Romo, and an OK rivalry with Michael Vick. But Manning-RGIII could really be special. Manning's 31. Griffin's 22. I hope Sunday was the first of about 20 meetings in the regular season and postseason between them.


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/10/21/week-7/index.html#ixzz2A38l2yh0
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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 12:49:16 PM   
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If he stays healthy and gets some talent around him the sky is the limit for him

Forget about the running - he is already making great passing plays

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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 12:52:31 PM   
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If he stays healthy and gets some talent around him the sky is the limit for him

Forget about the running - he is already making great passing plays


Yup. Even in college he struck me as a passer first, but with incredibly running ability.

Give him a line and a couple guys who can catch the ball and I think we'll see his rushing attempts drop considerably.
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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 1:18:57 PM   
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If he stays healthy and gets some talent around him the sky is the limit for him

Forget about the running - he is already making great passing plays


Yup. Even in college he struck me as a passer first, but with incredibly running ability.

Give him a line and a couple guys who can catch the ball and I think we'll see his rushing attempts drop considerably.

Agreed

People compare him to Vick because of the running ability but he is already a better passer than Vick

And he is light years better passing the ball than Vick was as a rookie

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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 1:31:52 PM   
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If he stays healthy and gets some talent around him the sky is the limit for him

Forget about the running - he is already making great passing plays


Yup. Even in college he struck me as a passer first, but with incredibly running ability.

Give him a line and a couple guys who can catch the ball and I think we'll see his rushing attempts drop considerably.

Agreed

People compare him to Vick because of the running ability but he is already a better passer than Vick

And he is light years better passing the ball than Vick was as a rookie


For comparison:

RGIII:
2010: 303/454 (67%), 3501 yards, 22 TDs, 8 INTs.
2011: 291/402 (72.4%), 4293 yards, 37 TDs, 8 INTs.

Vick:
1999: 105/181 (58%), 2065 yards, 13 TDs, 5 INTs.
2000: 87/161 (54%), 1234 yards, 8 TDs, 6 INTs.
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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 1:53:17 PM   
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Totally different planets with respect to throwing the ball

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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 2:16:44 PM   
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RGIII is amazing and he's surprised me some. I thought he would have moments of brilliance and some terrible moments, but those terrible moments have been few and far between. Look who he has to work with. Moss, Hankerson, Paulson and Alfred Morris. Much credit to the Shanahans as well.

Would you trade Kalil and Harrison Smith for RGIII? The reutrns have been good thus far for our 2 firsts, but wow what could have been. 

Btw Santana Moss might be one of the more underrated WRs of the past decade. He's produced with Pennington, Brunell, Campbell, McNabb and Grossman. Now he has RGIII and is still making plays.
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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 2:56:59 PM   
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RGIII is amazing and he's surprised me some. I thought he would have moments of brilliance and some terrible moments, but those terrible moments have been few and far between. Look who he has to work with. Moss, Hankerson, Paulson and Alfred Morris. Much credit to the Shanahans as well.

Would you trade Kalil and Harrison Smith for RGIII? The reutrns have been good thus far for our 2 firsts, but wow what could have been. 

Btw Santana Moss might be one of the more underrated WRs of the past decade. He's produced with Pennington, Brunell, Campbell, McNabb and Grossman. Now he has RGIII and is still making plays.


This is one year I have to praise our draft.

However, I really wanted the Vikings to land a Franchise QB. We thought we had one in Culpepper but it was Moss vapors. Last one this team had was Fran!

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RE: Around The NFL (News) - 2012 - 10/22/2012 3:00:42 PM   
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RGIII is amazing and he's surprised me some. I thought he would have moments of brilliance and some terrible moments, but those terrible moments have been few and far between. Look who he has to work with. Moss, Hankerson, Paulson and Alfred Morris. Much credit to the Shanahans as well.

Would you trade Kalil and Harrison Smith for RGIII? The reutrns have been good thus far for our 2 firsts, but wow what could have been. 

Btw Santana Moss might be one of the more underrated WRs of the past decade. He's produced with Pennington, Brunell, Campbell, McNabb and Grossman. Now he has RGIII and is still making plays.


This is one year I have to praise our draft.

However, I really wanted the Vikings to land a Franchise QB. We thought we had one in Culpepper but it was Moss vapors. Last one this team had was Fran!


Yep kudos to draft team



But if ponder continues to slide, they will have their work cut out for them

They won't be picking top of the draft and need to find a QB.......will have to pull a dalton or tannehill or wheeden out of their hat


Too early to talk about that.......

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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/22/2012 3:01:14 PM   
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Viking fans are foolish if they think, 'just get into the playoffs and anything can happen', thinking the Vikes can really go all the way. They, as of yet, don't have great QBing, and they don't have a #1 WR.


Packers did it a couple of years ago, as did the Giants.  It can happen.

When you have one game playoffs, upsets can happen if someone gets hot.
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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/22/2012 3:06:23 PM   
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Viking fans are foolish if they think, 'just get into the playoffs and anything can happen', thinking the Vikes can really go all the way. They, as of yet, don't have great QBing, and they don't have a #1 WR.


Packers did it a couple of years ago, as did the Giants.  It can happen.

When you have one game playoffs, upsets can happen if someone gets hot.



I think his point was that only works if you have a top WR and QB

Which pikers and giants have

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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/22/2012 10:19:48 PM   
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So WTF is Percy Harvin...Chopped liver?

Harvin is a VERY good complementary WR. He just doesn't have the size to be a #1, a #1 who will consistently get 3rd downs, who will use his strength and size to make the ball his in the endzone.
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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/23/2012 9:15:07 AM   
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So WTF is Percy Harvin...Chopped liver?

Harvin is a VERY good complementary WR. He just doesn't have the size to be a #1, a #1 who will consistently get 3rd downs, who will use his strength and size to make the ball his in the endzone.


This numbering of recievers is poppycock.  Harvin is one of the most dynamic offensive players in this league.  What you want isn't a number 1.  What you want is a big possession reciever with good hands who can go up and get the ball, fight for it and win it.  A "number one" reciever is IMHO the guy the QB looks to throw the ball to first when making his progressions.  Harvin is that guy and should be that guy on this team.  He gets the ball in space and he is HARD to bring down.

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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/23/2012 10:52:47 AM   
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So WTF is Percy Harvin...Chopped liver?

Harvin is a VERY good complementary WR. He just doesn't have the size to be a #1, a #1 who will consistently get 3rd downs, who will use his strength and size to make the ball his in the endzone.


This numbering of recievers is poppycock.  Harvin is one of the most dynamic offensive players in this league.  What you want isn't a number 1.  What you want is a big possession reciever with good hands who can go up and get the ball, fight for it and win it.  A "number one" reciever is IMHO the guy the QB looks to throw the ball to first when making his progressions.  Harvin is that guy and should be that guy on this team.  He gets the ball in space and he is HARD to bring down.


So if "This numbering of recievers is poppycock", why do you say "IMHO"? Are you recognizing that others are allowed to have their opinion, or perhaps just different terminology, or not? I can't tell.

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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/23/2012 12:58:07 PM   
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So WTF is Percy Harvin...Chopped liver?

Harvin is a VERY good complementary WR. He just doesn't have the size to be a #1, a #1 who will consistently get 3rd downs, who will use his strength and size to make the ball his in the endzone.


This numbering of recievers is poppycock.  Harvin is one of the most dynamic offensive players in this league.  What you want isn't a number 1.  What you want is a big possession reciever with good hands who can go up and get the ball, fight for it and win it.  A "number one" reciever is IMHO the guy the QB looks to throw the ball to first when making his progressions.  Harvin is that guy and should be that guy on this team.  He gets the ball in space and he is HARD to bring down.


So if "This numbering of recievers is poppycock", why do you say "IMHO"? Are you recognizing that others are allowed to have their opinion, or perhaps just different terminology, or not? I can't tell.


Of course everyone is allowed their opinion, no matter how wrong it is. 

The numbering of receivers is poppycock is an opinion of mine.

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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/23/2012 8:13:42 PM   
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I think your opinion is poopycock on the subject

I don't think a QB would look to Harvin 1st on a 3rd and long, or sometimes as a last resort when everyone is covered, you need a WR with size for that.

Harvin is a productive WR, but I think he'd be even MORE productive, and more likely to stay healthy if the Vikes had a good #1 with size, and Bowe fits that IMNSHO.
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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/24/2012 7:36:24 PM   
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Marty, its good to see you finally came to your senses (after 100's of annoying posts) that Moss is washed up.

I see you've latched onto another has been reciever giving him Mt Olympic praise.

No need to continue posting about Bowe.

Harvin is the man/beast
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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/24/2012 8:39:47 PM   
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lets see how many other threads i can slow down and see if the server likes to have people posting "imported externaly linked" video!!!

yea!!!


Edit: deleted the video. It's making everything lock up.

that was the point of my little 5 thread fiasco..

i clicked into the "other games" thread and after .. oh... 20 minutes.. when the video quoted three or four times finally finsished dling into all the post that had it.. i felt compelled to share the experience.. with other threads....


fyi i have deletd the one post you could not..

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RE: Ray Lewis gone for year - 10/25/2012 2:48:00 PM   
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Although I think you COULD be right about Moss, I not fully convinced, he may just be playing with a very conservative QB that doesn't play to his strengths. Maybe he's just in SF so he can smoke some ganja ? Or maybe SF is saving him for late season and the playoffs ?

Restating what I said about Harvin:

Harvin is a productive WR, but I think he'd be even MORE productive, and he'd more likely to stay healthy if the Vikes had a good #1 with size to go with him, and Bowe fits that IMNSHO.
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