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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/15/2014 3:51:51 PM   
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Our evaluation of the best tools in the game concludes with the pitching tools. On Wednesday, we at ESPN Insider laid out the best defensive tools, and on Thursday, we had the best hitting and baserunning tools. Keith Law looks at nine different pitching categories today.




Best fastball

1. Aroldis Chapman, Cincinnati Reds
It's certainly the hardest fastball I've ever seen -- I got him at 104 mph on my gun at Petco Park in September 2010 -- and it comes out of his hand shockingly easily given its superhuman velocity. I can't imagine how any left-handed hitter ever sees the ball, or, if he does, how he manages to stay in the box without leaping out of the way. It's possible we'll see another pitcher throw this hard at some point, but I'm not holding my breath.

2. Yordano Ventura, Royals
3. Craig Kimbrel, Braves
4. Jake McGee, Rays
5. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers




Best fastball movement

1. Felix Hernandez, Seattle Mariners
The best pitcher in the American League right now does it with many weapons, but it's always been his ability to get ground balls that has impressed me most. The guys who typically pitch like this -- sinking the fastball and throwing strikes -- are command/control guys, not power arms like Felix is, and without the variety of swing-and-miss offerings he has. With a 54 percent ground ball rate for his career, Felix ranks 25th among MLB starters (per Fangraphs) for whom such data is available. And again, that's just one of the ways he can make a major league hitter look foolish.

2. Dallas Keuchel, Astros
3. Tim Hudson, Giants
4. Alex Wood, Braves
5. Matt Moore, Rays




Best cutter

1. Kenley Jansen, Los Angeles Dodgers
Mariano Rivera's retirement leaves this category open for the first time in more than a decade, but Jansen may have it similarly locked up for as long as he stays healthy. Coming in so hard that PITCHf/x often misclassifies it as a fastball, Jansen's cutter has more movement than any true fastball would, so he can get away with throwing it more than 90 percent of the time. As if his mastery of the cutter wasn't remarkable enough, Jansen is a former catcher who didn't even start pitching full time until 2009. The Dodgers stuck him on a mound, only to find him throwing 97 mph right out of the chute.

2. Corey Kluber, Indians
3. Adam Wainwright, Cardinals
4. Jake Arrieta, Cubs
5. Wade Davis, Royals




Best curveball

1. Sonny Gray, Oakland Athletics
Gray defies the conventional wisdom about starting pitchers in so many ways, and his curveball is one of the primary ones. He's only about 5-foot-9, allegedly too short for a right-handed starter, but he has worked for years to keep the ball down in the strike zone despite the difficulty a diminutive pitcher can have in getting downhill plane on the pitch. He also throws a true curveball, and even though you'll hear the claim that a little guy can't get the proper depth on a curve, his is the hammer of Thor, coming at near-slider velocity but with downward break rather than slider tilt.

2. Corey Kluber, Indians: In case you're wondering how Kluber has become a top-five starter in the AL this year, it might have something to do with him being No. 2 in this tool (curveball) and the previous one (cutter).
3. Adam Wainwright, Cardinals
4. Craig Kimbrel, Braves
5. Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers

Honorable mention: David Robertson, who doesn't quite make the cut here and doesn't seem to get enough credit for how good he has been in a difficult job.




Best slider

1. Clayton Kershaw, Los Angeles Dodgers
What's shocking about Kershaw's slider is that it's a new pitch for him, at least relative to his other offerings. He had no problem picking it up and throwing it well from the very first attempt, according to catcher A.J. Ellis, which is more evidence that we're watching one of the all-time greats at work every time Kershaw takes the mound. Not only does the pitch have great tilt, giving him the side-to-side movement he didn't have with his fastball and curve, but when he misses with it, it's usually down, where hitters can't do much damage against it.

2. Yu Darvish, Rangers
3. Dellin Betances, Yankees
4. Andrew Miller, Orioles
5. Jose Fernandez, Marlins

As an aside, it'll be fun to reconsider this in a year or so, once lefty White Sox prospect Carlos Rodon reaches the majors. Rodon, the third pick in this year's MLB Rule 4 draft, throws his slider at 88-92 mph and can throw it harder than some of the fastballs he's throwing in the same inning.




Best splitter

1. Masahiro Tanaka, New York Yankees
I hope Tanaka's injury doesn't lead teams further away from the splitter, which is barely taught now in the United States and seldom used. I have just one non-Japanese pitcher in my top five, Dan Haren, and even his has become less effective over time. Thrown properly by a pitcher with a large enough hand, it's a devastating weapon, as Tanaka showed us before his elbow cried "Uncle!" earlier this summer. Tanaka's splitter has good tumble, but he can also throw it for a strike -- like Haren does -- which makes it a much more effective pitch than if it were just a chase pitch. Here's hoping Tanaka comes back sooner rather than later and that he doesn't leave the pitch on the shelf when he returns.

2. Hisashi Iwakuma, Mariners
3. Koji Uehara, Red Sox
4. Dan Haren, Dodgers
5. Hiroki Kuroda, Yankees




Best changeup

1. Felix Hernandez, Seattle Mariners
Here's one of those "other ways" to make hitters look foolish, as I mentioned earlier, and that's without discussing his plus curveball or outstanding command. Felix gets great action on his changeup but also delivers it with the arm speed of his fastball, giving hitters little to no shot to pick it up. When you have this many arrows in your quiver, you don't need to show it off.

2. Cole Hamels, Phillies
3. Chris Sale, White sox
4. Joaquin Benoit, Padres
5. Jorge De La Rosa, Rockies

Honorable mention: Gerrit Cole, whose changeup grades out at 70 or better on the 20-80 scouting scale when he's healthy but who hasn't had enough success with it through a year of major league starts to crack this list.



Best knuckleball


1. R.A. Dickey, Toronto Blue Jays
This was a tough call.




Best command

1. Clayton Kershaw, Los Angeles Dodgers
I'm running out of superlatives here. Kershaw has the majors' best slider, is among its best fastballs, among its best curveballs and commands all three pitches extremely well. He doesn't walk many guys, he doesn't miss spots, and this year he's working down in the zone more effectively than ever, with a career-best ground ball rate. No starting pitcher has ever won the Cy Young Award in a full season with less than 200 innings pitched, in part because it's hard to deliver enough value without reaching that threshold, but Kershaw looks like he's going to be the first to ever do it.

2. Sean Doolittle, Athletics
3. Felix Hernandez, Mariners
4. Zack Greinke, Dodgers
5. Koji Uehara, Red Sox


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/15/2014 4:07:00 PM   
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Jose Cruz. Sweetest swing I ever saw.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/15/2014 6:25:42 PM   
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Jose Cruz. Sweetest swing I ever saw.


Matt likes the Astros for their old uniforms.

That too. How did you know?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/15/2014 8:06:37 PM   
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No Glen Perkins' mentions??
Shocking. He's mr awesome. Just ask him.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/15/2014 8:57:40 PM   
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Best splitter: 4 out of 5 are Asian pitchers. Hudson had a great splitter when he came up. And he has lasted a long time. I don't think it's as hard on an arm as most US pitching coaches have insisted. It's a pitch i'd like to see come back into fashion.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/17/2014 1:18:41 PM   
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Stros pounding the Bosox so far today.
Me likey.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/18/2014 9:32:13 AM   
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Maddon continues to be competitive in nearly every situation

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2014/08/17/derek-jeter-joe-maddon-rays-fans-cheer

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/18/2014 9:41:50 AM   
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Maddon continues to be competitive in nearly every situation

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2014/08/17/derek-jeter-joe-maddon-rays-fans-cheer

The most common sensical guy out there imo.
Gets almost everything right in my book.
Sigh.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/18/2014 9:58:19 AM   
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Best splitter: 4 out of 5 are Asian pitchers. Hudson had a great splitter when he came up. And he has lasted a long time. I don't think it's as hard on an arm as most US pitching coaches have insisted. It's a pitch i'd like to see come back into fashion.


I feel like the US got scared after Mike Scott blew out his elbow. Of course, he was throwing the splitter EVERY pitch.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/18/2014 10:24:14 AM   
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/nationals-rally-late-to-beat-pirates-on-walk-off-double-by-wilson-ramos/2014/08/16/f00f738e-25b1-11e4-86ca-6f03cbd15c1a_story.html

The ball flew off Wilson Ramos’s bat, and he knew where it was headed, just not sure where it would land. Pittsburgh Pirates right fielder Gregory Polanco raced back, jumped and then stopped. The ball bounced once and over the wall into the home bullpen at Nationals Park. Bullpen coach Matt LeCroy and reliever Drew Storen threw their arms in the air.

Bryce Harper, however, didn’t know where the ball was. He tagged up at second base, which he had reached after a wild pitch following his walk to lead off the ninth inning, then took off for third at breakneck speed. Only when he saw teammates stream out of the dugout did he realize Ramos’s hit had bounced over the fence for a ground-rule double that sealed a 4-3 comeback victory, the Nationals’ fifth straight win.


Wilson stats for the season that has resumed after an injury
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS OPS+
58 241 224 20 66 10 0 5 30 0 0 15 38 .295 .336 .406 .742 106

Oh, and the Nationals are in 1st place as is the team with JJ Hardy as its shortstop as is the team with Gomez as its CF.

So glad we traded Rod Barajas when we did.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2014 7:41:33 AM   
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Orioles didn't sit around whining about having to face Sale last night ... they just turned up the mash machine.
Home runs are a good thing, people. A very good thing.

Nelson Cruz and J.J. Hardy each added a solo shot as the Orioles upped their AL East lead to 7 1/2 games over the idle New York Yankees. Cruz hit his 32nd homer and passed White Sox rookie Jose Abreu for the American League lead. Cruz is tied with Giancarlo Stanton of the Miami Marlins for most in the majors.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2014 8:36:28 AM   
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With an average pitching staff, 7 1/2 game lead for the O's

Impressive.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2014 8:51:16 AM   
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Yankees farmhand Pat Venditte is hoping to have a chance to be the first major leaguer to regularly employ a switch-pitching approach, as Newsday’s Jim Baumbach writes. Just like a switch-hitter, Venditte chooses which arm he’ll use to achieve the platoon advantage. (A rule crafted with him in mind requires the pitcher to choose which side he will throw from, with switch-hitting batters then permitted to pick a side of the box.) Venditte has been quite effective; he owns a 2.49 career ERA in the minors. This year, he dominated at Double-A before getting bumped to Triple-A, where he has a 3.75 ERA over 48 frames with 8.6 K/9 against just 2.8 BB/9. Across both levels, he has held righties to a .668 OPS, with lefties posting a meager .512 mark against his sidearm offerings (a mid-80s heater and a slider, one from each side).

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2014 9:05:43 AM   
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THAT is amazing.
I can see throwing somewhat decent from both sides, but to be that adept, to get to that level, with those numbers, is amazing.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/19/2014 11:54:19 AM   
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Yankees farmhand Pat Venditte is hoping to have a chance to be the first major leaguer to regularly employ a switch-pitching approach, as Newsday’s Jim Baumbach writes. Just like a switch-hitter, Venditte chooses which arm he’ll use to achieve the platoon advantage. (A rule crafted with him in mind requires the pitcher to choose which side he will throw from, with switch-hitting batters then permitted to pick a side of the box.) Venditte has been quite effective; he owns a 2.49 career ERA in the minors. This year, he dominated at Double-A before getting bumped to Triple-A, where he has a 3.75 ERA over 48 frames with 8.6 K/9 against just 2.8 BB/9. Across both levels, he has held righties to a .668 OPS, with lefties posting a meager .512 mark against his sidearm offerings (a mid-80s heater and a slider, one from each side).


So awesome. Just too bad it's for the Yanks.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 10:22:32 AM   
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So......

It used to be that the Wild Card, other than no home field advantage, had no disadvantage in the playoffs as compared to division winners.

Now, either Wild Card team has essentially one playin game to continue in the playoffs.

As such, Oakland, arguably one of the strongest teams in the majors, may face Seattle in a one game playoff and face King Hernandaz in a one game playoff?

A Lester vs. Hernandaz with continuation into the playoffs would be a helluva game.

Do you like the 2 wild card team format?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 10:39:37 AM   
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So......

It used to be that the Wild Card, other than no home field advantage, had no disadvantage in the playoffs as compared to division winners.

Now, either Wild Card team has essentially one playin game to continue in the playoffs.

As such, Oakland, arguably one of the strongest teams in the majors, may face Seattle in a one game playoff and face King Hernandaz in a one game playoff?

A Lester vs. Hernandaz with continuation into the playoffs would be a helluva game.

Do you like the 2 wild card team format?


Tough on the teams involved to get through that ONE GAME!!
Since it will not affect us for sometime to come, not really.
If we were in the playoffs this year, who would you start in that game?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 10:47:35 AM   
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So......

It used to be that the Wild Card, other than no home field advantage, had no disadvantage in the playoffs as compared to division winners.

Now, either Wild Card team has essentially one playin game to continue in the playoffs.

As such, Oakland, arguably one of the strongest teams in the majors, may face Seattle in a one game playoff and face King Hernandaz in a one game playoff?

A Lester vs. Hernandaz with continuation into the playoffs would be a helluva game.

Do you like the 2 wild card team format?


Tough on the teams involved to get through that ONE GAME!!
Since it will not affect us for sometime to come, not really.
If we were in the playoffs this year, who would you start in that game?

Hughes.
Who would then wet himself early, give up enough to lose, then settle in and keep us close at least.
Wheeeee!
Ace!
Playoffs require number one and number two starters.
We have none of those currently.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 10:51:11 AM   
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So......

It used to be that the Wild Card, other than no home field advantage, had no disadvantage in the playoffs as compared to division winners.

Now, either Wild Card team has essentially one playin game to continue in the playoffs.

As such, Oakland, arguably one of the strongest teams in the majors, may face Seattle in a one game playoff and face King Hernandaz in a one game playoff?

A Lester vs. Hernandaz with continuation into the playoffs would be a helluva game.

Do you like the 2 wild card team format?


Tough on the teams involved to get through that ONE GAME!!
Since it will not affect us for sometime to come, not really.
If we were in the playoffs this year, who would you start in that game?

Hughes.
Who would then wet himself early, give up enough to lose, then settle in and keep us close at least.
Wheeeee!
Ace!
Playoffs require number one and number two starters.
We have none of those currently.


And NONE in the foreseeable future!!
Hard times for the fans....especially this one.
Hard to watch games when you already know the outcome!!

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 11:31:04 AM   
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So......

It used to be that the Wild Card, other than no home field advantage, had no disadvantage in the playoffs as compared to division winners.

Now, either Wild Card team has essentially one playin game to continue in the playoffs.

As such, Oakland, arguably one of the strongest teams in the majors, may face Seattle in a one game playoff and face King Hernandaz in a one game playoff?

A Lester vs. Hernandaz with continuation into the playoffs would be a helluva game.

Do you like the 2 wild card team format?



I LOVE IT.
To Any team that wants to complain about it I have two things to say. Quit bitching...and then win or go home.

My hope is they wont change it. They wont until the Skankees are eliminated this way.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 11:34:02 AM   
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So......

It used to be that the Wild Card, other than no home field advantage, had no disadvantage in the playoffs as compared to division winners.

Now, either Wild Card team has essentially one playin game to continue in the playoffs.

As such, Oakland, arguably one of the strongest teams in the majors, may face Seattle in a one game playoff and face King Hernandaz in a one game playoff?

A Lester vs. Hernandaz with continuation into the playoffs would be a helluva game.

Do you like the 2 wild card team format?



I LOVE IT.
To Any team that wants to complain about it I have two things to say. Quit bitching...and then win or go home.

My hope is they wont change it. They wont until the Skankees are eliminated this way.


Right On!!

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 11:41:57 AM   
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Oakland will still take that division so it will be Seattle and the Biebers fighting for that play-in WC game.

So I'm good with it.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 12:14:10 PM   
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Oakland will still take that division so it will be Seattle and the Biebers fighting for that play-in WC game.

So I'm good with it.



Yeah, I think you're right.

Oakland has the pitching.

Angels have the payroll.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 1:51:21 PM   
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I was listening to Detroit sports radio when I was driving home Monday afternoon. Denny McClain was on as a guest talking about the Tigers recent woes. The subject became Joe Nathan for a moment. When Nathan's name was brought up McClain went "Oh!" because clearly he had an opinion. This is what McClain said in a nutshell when asked about Joe Nathan:

"I am going to quote Tom Hanks here.....There's no crying in baseball! My gosh. How does a veteran player complain about the fans booing. Fans have every right to boo poor performance. They've been doing it since the game started in the 1800s. For him to call out the fans is out of line. He's a veteran player and he ought to know better"


McClain said the Tigers are starting a bunch of players who shouldn't even be in the majors. He's skeptical about them even getting to the playoffs at the rate they are going. Interesting stuff. I don't see it as "bashing" just straight talk. Gotta love Denny.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 8/20/2014 2:57:19 PM   
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I was listening to Detroit sports radio when I was driving home Monday afternoon. Denny McClain was on as a guest talking about the Tigers recent woes. The subject became Joe Nathan for a moment. When Nathan's name was brought up McClain went "Oh!" because clearly he had an opinion. This is what McClain said in a nutshell when asked about Joe Nathan:

"I am going to quote Tom Hanks here.....There's no crying in baseball! My gosh. How does a veteran player complain about the fans booing. Fans have every right to boo poor performance. They've been doing it since the game started in the 1800s. For him to call out the fans is out of line. He's a veteran player and he ought to know better"


McClain said the Tigers are starting a bunch of players who shouldn't even be in the majors. He's skeptical about them even getting to the playoffs at the rate they are going. Interesting stuff. I don't see it as "bashing" just straight talk. Gotta love Denny.



Joe still is thinking MN nice

Fans are way too easy on the Twins.

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