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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 7:24:17 PM

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Jay Jaffe, who writes for Sports Illustrated, devised a system for measuring "Hall of Fame worthiness" that he dubbed JAWS.

By JAWS, for example, Tony Oliva ranks 32nd among right fielders. There are 24 Hall of Famers on the right field list; 19 of them rank ahead of Tony-O.

Anyway By JAWS, the ninth greatest catcher in major league history is Joe Mauer.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml

Mauer nut-hugger.

Although 9th sounds pretty close. I have him about 12th.

12th? Who else do you have above him? I could see Posey and Yadi getting there. But they've still got work to do IMO.

Bench
Berra
Campanella
I. Rodriguez
Fisk
Piazza
Carter
Cochrane
Hartnett
Dickey
Simmons
Howard
Mauer

That's 13th. 14th if I'm allowed to add Josh Gibson.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 7:24:23 PM

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i like buster. have 3 keeper baseball teams.

own buster in all 3.

(and mookie betts)

I don't play fantasy ball anymore, Stacey. But we could have been separated at birth it seems sometimes.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 7:25:14 PM

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Jay Jaffe, who writes for Sports Illustrated, devised a system for measuring "Hall of Fame worthiness" that he dubbed JAWS.

By JAWS, for example, Tony Oliva ranks 32nd among right fielders. There are 24 Hall of Famers on the right field list; 19 of them rank ahead of Tony-O.

Anyway By JAWS, the ninth greatest catcher in major league history is Joe Mauer.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml

Mauer nut-hugger.

Although 9th sounds pretty close. I have him about 12th.

12th? Who else do you have above him? I could see Posey and Yadi getting there. But they've still got work to do IMO.

Bench
Berra
Campanella
I. Rodriguez
Fisk
Piazza
Carter
Cochrane
Hartnett
Dickey
Simmons
Howard
Mauer

That's 13th. 14th if I'm allowed to add Josh Gibson.

I'd take Joe over a few of those. Gibson I guess really should count, though.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 7:28:26 PM

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I assume you're putting Mauer over Simmons and Howard? I can't see him over any of the others. Unless you're really gonna hold Piazza's defense against him. Remember Piazza was in the NL. Couldn't DH most of the time. Played a lot of games at C. I think his defense was better than he was given credit for.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 7:32:06 PM

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I assume you're putting Mauer over Simmons and Howard? I can't see him over any of the others. Unless you're really gonna hold Piazza's defense against him. Remember Piazza was in the NL. Couldn't DH most of the time. Played a lot of games at C. I think his defense was better than he was given credit for.

Ya, Simmons/Howard/Hartnett. And I think it depends on the question; is it time at C only, or overall value over career. If the latter, I still think Joe will end up in the top 5-6 or so when he's done. I haven't written his career eulogy yet like others.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 7:42:03 PM

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Mike Schmidt over Johnny Bench? I think so.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 7:42:58 PM

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I assume you're putting Mauer over Simmons and Howard? I can't see him over any of the others. Unless you're really gonna hold Piazza's defense against him. Remember Piazza was in the NL. Couldn't DH most of the time. Played a lot of games at C. I think his defense was better than he was given credit for.

Ya, Simmons/Howard/Hartnett. And I think it depends on the question; is it time at C only, or overall value over career. If the latter, I still think Joe will end up in the top 5-6 or so when he's done. I haven't written his career eulogy yet like others.

I prefer to look at it as time as C. I hope you do too.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 10:21:48 PM

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Mike Schmidt over Johnny Bench? I think so.

Yes. Definitely.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/15/2015 11:37:26 PM

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i like buster. have 3 keeper baseball teams.

own buster in all 3.

(and mookie betts)

I don't play fantasy ball anymore, Stacey. But we could have been separated at birth it seems sometimes.

well, except for the Stacey never makes outlandish claims all the time part.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 12:04:04 AM

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Like? Can you give me one?

You mean like advocating moving Plouffe to SS? That may be crazier than anything I've EVER said re: baseball.

Just because you don't agree with something doesn't make it outlandish.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 4:07:39 PM

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Cubs catcher Miguel Montero will hit the DL with a thumb injury that he suffered on Saturday, MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo reports. Highly-regarded youngster Kyle Schwarber will return to the big leagues to take his place.

The injury could keep Montero out for up to six weeks, according to the report. Presumably, more will be known after a visit to a hand specialist tomorrow, as Bruce Miles of the Daily Herald notes on Twitter.

It is not expected that Schwarber will see regular duty behind the dish, according to MLB.com’s Carrie Muskat (via Twitter). Muskat adds that David Ross and Taylor Teagarden will also remain on the active roster (at least once Ross returns from injury).

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 4:23:18 PM

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The Red Sox system on Thursday took a hit with the news that righthander Michael Kopech has been suspended 50 games for testing positive for Oxilofrine, a stimulant banned under the Minor League Drug Prevention and Treatment Program.

Kopech, a supplemental first-round pick in 2014 (No. 33 overall), was 4-5, 2.63 this season with low Class A Greenville, and had struck out 70 hitters in 65 innings. He showed a fastball that touched as high as 100 mph this season, as well as an inconsistent but promising breaking ball and a nascent changeup.

The suspension isn’t the first to happen to a big-name pick over the use of banned stimulants. Blue Jays righthander Marcus Stroman was docked 50 games in 2012, just months after he was drafted in the first round out of Duke, for testing positive for methylhexamine, another stimulant.

The Rays, too, have had their problems with stimulant-based suspensions. Infielder Ryan Brett, who has three major league games to his credit, was suspended 50 games in 2012 after testing positive for what Major League Baseball termed “methamphetamine and an amphetamine.” Two of Brett’s teammates, pitchers Justin Woodall and Charles Colonie, were each hit with the same punishment for the same offense.

Established major leaguers aren’t immune, either. Baltimore first baseman Chris Davis was suspended 25 games last year for testing positive for Adderall, and fellow Oriole Troy Patton received a similar ban in 2013, also for Adderall. The same goes for Phillies catcher Carlos Ruiz in the 2012 offseason. The catch with major leaguers is that suspensions for stimulants can’t happen until their second positive test.

By coincidence, exactly 50 games remain in Greenville’s season, meaning there’s no chance Kopech would make a late-season comeback. The next time Kopech is likely to pitch will be during the fall instructional league.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 5:05:08 PM

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Frasor to sign with ATL.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 6:54:43 PM

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Stacey, I thought you'd like this from Sickels re: Betts:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/7/15/8952253/unsubstantiated-prediction-the-peak-seasons-of-mookie-betts

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 10:38:18 PM

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Stacey, I thought you'd like this from Sickels re: Betts:

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2015/7/15/8952253/unsubstantiated-prediction-the-peak-seasons-of-mookie-betts

I do.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 10:48:08 PM

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Mookie Betts at catcher? Jason Kendall's father thought Betts would make MLB at age 20 if he switched

Mookie Betts' athleticism impressed major leaguers even when he was a middle schooler.

In fact, one former major league player and coach once suggested Betts move to catcher.

Betts' uncle Terry Shumpert played 14 years in the majors, including the 1995 season with the Boston Red Sox. Whenever Shumpert was playing in the southeast, Betts' extended family would make several trips to visit him.

Betts and Shumpert's son Nick — who was drafted in the seventh round by Detroit this season — played on the field during batting practice with the other players' kids.

Even then, Shumpert's teammates and coaches recognized the kids' talent. Fred Kendall, the father of former major league catcher Jason Kendall and a major league veteran himself, was a coach for Colorado while Shumpert played there.

"Because his son was a catcher he was trying to get me to convert both of them to catchers. He said, 'Shump, the way they swing the bat and hit the ball, if you make them a catcher now I guarantee they'll make the big leagues by the time they're 20 years old. I know they're athletic and Jason was the same way,'" Shumpert recalled.

In his last professional season, Shumpert played for the Nashville Sounds, Pittsburgh's Triple-A affiliate at the time. Herschel Greer Stadium, the Sounds' home field back then, was about 20 minutes from Betts' house. The 12-year-old Betts spent most of the summer in the Sounds' clubhouse and on the field.

"It was great because after school I'd go over to the field and hang out and meet guys and be around that atmosphere and learn how that worked," Betts said. "With him being there I got to swing and got to do everything those guys got to do to play in the big leagues so it was a really good opportunity."

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/16/2015 10:57:42 PM

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Oh my, Betts as a C? That would be something else. I still see superstar in that kid as well. Red Sox are going to be scary good with the crop they have coming too.

Cool article. That was before my time at the Sounds. But I do have a couple of friends involved in youth ball in Nashville/Brentwood that rave about what kind of kid he was/family he was part of then.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 9:09:20 AM

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Heard an interview with Carlos Correa this morning. Holy crap is that kid impressive. Very, very good english, and just a great sense of poise and professionalism for a 20 year old. Lots of great stuff.
They asked him who his favorite other young players to watch were/who were the best. First answer? Byron Buxton
Talked about their foundation there in Houston and what they can do to improve/last.
And Kurkjian brought up a story after the interview was done about how when Lowrie went down 5 veterans went to the front office and said "let's call up the kid" because they were so impressed with him in ST. That just doesn't happen.

Kid is going to be a superstar. Most in the industry think he'll be one of the best (if not THE best, even over Trout) player in baseball within a year or two. I can't disagree. I'll never be disappointed in Buxton, but man, it's fun to think about what this team could look like with Correa just fit-wise.

Dozier-2b
Mauer-1b
Correa-SS
Sano-DH
Plouffe-3b
Rosario-LF
Hicks/Kepler-CF
Kepler/Arcia-RF
Pinto/Suzuki/new guy-C

You combine all that professionalism/hard work with that talent? Houston isn't going away anytime soon with that kid. And Appel is coming.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 12:03:03 PM

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The Brewers are willing to trade not only star center fielder Carlos Gomez but even young shortstop Jean Segura, according to one person familiar with their thinking, who suggested it's somewhat likely they move both players. Gomez's possible move is born of pragmatism, as the person mentioned how there's no way the Brewers would be able to afford to keep Gomez long-term considering Jacoby Ellsbury's $153-million deal (Gomez is a free agent after 2016). The source also suspected Segura could easily be traded due to the extraordinary rise of shortstop prospect Orlando Arcia, who is beloved by just about all of baseball, the Brewers included. In fact, Arcia may be drawing more trade interest than Segura at present (the Padres, linked to Segura, are one of many to call on Arcia). "He's the best player I saw in the minor leagues this year," one NL executive said. Another, noting that Arcia was ranked 90th on some prospect list, said he should have been ninth, "or higher." Yet another NL executive said Arcia is comparable to the much more heralded Francisco Lindor, "only better." Arcia is only 20, but the Brewers have yet another shortstop prospect in Luis Sardinas, making it logical that Segura could go somewhere. Though Segura's value isn't at its peak ("he looks a little thick," one scout said)

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 12:14:42 PM

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Pinto/Suzuki/new guy-C

Emphasis on New guy

At this point, no one should count on anything from Pinto.

He's been out a long time with the concussion symptoms, and the scarlet letter he has regarding his defense,are 2 big strikes against him ever spending much time with the big club.

Hope to be proven wrong,but there are no indications to me that when he's "right" he'll be back in the bigs.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 12:16:07 PM

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Pinto/Suzuki/new guy-C

Emphasis on New guy

At this point, no one should count on anything from Pinto.

He's been out a long time with the concussion symptoms, and the scarlet letter he has regarding his defense,are 2 big strikes against him ever spending much time with the big club.

Hope to be proven wrong,but there are no indications to me that when he's "right" he'll be back in the bigs.

I hear ya, Ed. Hoping he can recover, but I'm right with ya. BTW, I'm still awaiting word that Pinto is a "sissy", doesn't work hard, doesn't care about the team, etc. after his concussions.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 12:19:32 PM

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I wouldn't mind Segura.

I'm curious to see what Santana does out of the break.

I don't see the Twins pursuing anything outside of pitching, which is what most teams will pursue.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 12:21:39 PM

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Santana is a big key. If he could "get it" then we're down to 1 need on the position player side of things longterm, and with extra trade chips (ie Polanco).

I'd love to see us do a blockbuster with the Mets, now or in the offseason. Our needs match up very well for a deal in terms of pitching.

Cubs also match up well for what WE need (SS), but I'm not sure we have what they need.

In either case, it's a little concerning that TR has to negotiate with either Sandy or Hoyer.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 1:01:14 PM

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If the Twins had the 1st pick in that draft, would they have taken Correia?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 7/17/2015 1:20:59 PM

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IIRC, Correa was picked to save the Astros $ so they could go higher on McCullers later. I think Correa was rated the 4th-5th best player but the Astros knew he'd be very signable. I could be wrong, though.

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