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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/23/2016 11:23:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		There is a growing sense among executives that the trade market is going to be active this offseason fueled by these factors:

1. Arguably the worst free-agent starting-pitching class ever is upon us. Rich Hill is the best starter available. He is a terrific craftsman. He also is 37 in March, has not made it through a full season as a starter since 2007, and no team can simply wave off concerns about blisters because he relies so much on his curveball, which creates intense friction on his fingers against the ball’s seams.

And the class goes down-Hill from there.

Thus, in the old game of supply-and-demand, if teams have anything from a good-to-great pitcher they are willing to trade, the time might never be better to maximize returns.

So, for example, do the White Sox finally blink and trade Chris Sale or Jose Quintana? Do the Giants create the salary space to address other needs (left field, bullpen) by at least seeing if there is a market for Jeff Samardzija? Do the Tigers believe this is the last best time to get a lot for Justin Verlander?

He turns 35 in February and has three years at $84 million remaining. He just led the AL in strikeouts and was second in ERA and innings. Win-now teams get in line.

2. New top baseball executives for the Diamondbacks and Twins are in place. Traditionally, new officials do not have ties to players brought in by old regimes and have more latitude in a honeymoon period to dispatch even big names.

So does new Arizona GM Mike Hazen have permission — if he thinks a larger rebuild is in order — to see what he can get for Zack Greinke or, more interestingly, Paul Goldschmidt? Does the Twins’ new baseball chief Derek Falvey capitalize on Brian Dozier’s best season and trade the second baseman now?
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3. A greater attention than ever to run prevention exists — the Cubs can take a bow. Clubs are emphasizing defense hand-in-glove as a way to protect and bolster their pitching staff by recording more outs on balls in play.

The Cardinals, for example, are determined to address what was a terrible fielding group in 2016. To do that, would they consider moving on-base machine Matt Carpenter because, a) he could get them plenty back, and b) he does not play any position particularly well? It would be a hard sell. He is popular and on a team-friendly contract (three years at $39.5 million left). But he would get a larger return than other pieces the Cards may be willing to deal — such as Matt Adams, Jhonny Peralta and Kolten Wong.

4. Teams need to capitalize on their window to win. We have seen clubs that believe their time is now act very aggressively in recent years — think the Cubs the past two years (Joe Maddon, Jon Lester, Jason Heyward, John Lackey, Ben Zobrist, Aroldis Chapman), the Mets at the past two trade deadlines (Yoenis Cespedes, Jay Bruce) and even the small-market Indians at the last deadline (Andrew Miller).

No team wants to squander a championship core. The Astros now stand out in this way. They have a win-now positional group headed by Jose Altuve, Alex Bregman, Carlos Correa, Yulieski Gurriel and George Springer. But they do not have the rotation to capitalize on that, especially with Dallas Keuchel taking two steps backward in 2016 and Lance McCullers Jr. being unable to stay healthy.

They badly need an ace. So, for example, do they use Bregman as the key piece to go after Sale (on a great contract the next three years) or to try to get a potential young ace such as Julio Urias (if the Dodgers lose Justin Turner to free agency, they could form an infield left side for years of Corey Seager and Bregman)?

5. Belt tightening in the AL Central. Tigers GM Alex Avila already has said his team wants to get younger and less expensive. The White Sox and Royals may follow the same avenue.
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Detroit, in particular, has tried to win in 87-year-old owner Mike Ilitch’s lifetime, which has resulted in high payrolls and an aging roster. The White Sox have done a version of the same, trying to win a second time for 80-year-old owner Jerry Reinsdorf. They have ended with a mismatched roster and non-contender.

The Royals, conversely, won the AL pennant in 2014 and a championship in 2015. To try to keep the good times going, they took on a record payroll in 2016 only to fall to .500. They were trying to sustain winning while their key core guys were under control, but Wade Davis, Lorenzo Cain, Eric Hosmer and Mike Moustakas all are free agents after next season. To regenerate to their next good team, the Royals might have to think about trading a few of them between now and July 31. Jon Heyman of FanRag reported Davis already is available.

Ian Kennedy, with four years left on his contract, might be the kind of inning eater that could be attractive in this starting pitching market.

The Tigers had a woeful free-agent binge last offseason (Justin Upton, Jordan Zimmermann, Mike Pelfrey and Mark Lowe). They would love to move those guys plus Anibal Sanchez. Good luck. Their moneyed players of value are Verlander and second baseman Ian Kinsler, and the Tigers will have to decide if they have the stomach to move one or both.

The White Sox have Sale and Quintana, but also useful bats Melky Cabrera and Todd Frazier entering their walk year, closer David Robertson with two years left on his contract and the kind of well-rounded (defense notably) outfielder in Adam Eaton whom the Cardinals and many other clubs would chase.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/28/2016 7:40:21 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 7:03:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Angels trade a pitcher for Cameron Maybin who the Tigs likely would not have exercised the option.

And they could have had on a much cheaper than 9 million dollar option.

Another example of what's wrong in MLB. Maybin is no 9-mill/year player.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 7:13:43 AM   
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Angels trade a pitcher for Cameron Maybin who the Tigs likely would not have exercised the option.

And they could have had on a much cheaper than 9 million dollar option.

Another example of what's wrong in MLB. Maybin is no 9-mill/year player.

Insane money for that caliber of player.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 8:05:53 AM   
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Angels trade a pitcher for Cameron Maybin who the Tigs likely would not have exercised the option.

And they could have had on a much cheaper than 9 million dollar option.

Another example of what's wrong in MLB. Maybin is no 9-mill/year player.

Insane money for that caliber of player.


It is another ? move by the Halos

Must have been afraid of losing a shot at him on waivers? Tigs weren't going to spend the 9 mill.

Arte throws around a lot of money for very little. Scioscia has a free pass there apparently. Much like Gardy had.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 9:34:35 AM   
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Guys the "old Twins" would never consider signing. Will the new regime??

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 10:09:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		that gosh darn nasty salary cap thingy we just can't get out from under ...
Its so ingrained, even the good fans give you the ... "yeah but that guy is too expensive, makes too much, wants too much, yadda yadda yadda"
Its a PROBLEM when you are held back by those limitations, perceived or real.
SOMEONE IS paying them, IS trying them, IS taking a chance.
And if it doesn't work? Move on and stop whining.
This is a BUSINESS. Not a lark. Stop living in 1970.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 1:22:08 PM   
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AKA

Guys the "old Twins" would never consider signing. Will the new regime??



This team is not going to be rebuilt via free agency.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 1:24:44 PM   
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that gosh darn nasty salary cap thingy we just can't get out from under ...
Its so ingrained, even the good fans give you the ... "yeah but that guy is too expensive, makes too much, wants too much, yadda yadda yadda"
Its a PROBLEM when you are held back by those limitations, perceived or real.
SOMEONE IS paying them, IS trying them, IS taking a chance.
And if it doesn't work? Move on and stop whining.
This is a BUSINESS. Not a lark. Stop living in 1970.


Spending hasn't necessarily been the Twins problem. They have spent money (though they stayed away from the big name free agents). The problem has been where they spend the money.

they have all that money tied up in Mauer for another two years.
They signed some terrible pitchers for stupid contracts, See Nolasco, Correia, etc etc etc.
Spend the money wisely and don't tie the team down with long term deals. Limit deals to three years and if they insist on longer offer them team option years only.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 1:40:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's a definite limit to the player we look at
There's a list of FAs every year
And there are different levels of FAs
The top level ...... we NEVER look at or even kick the tires on.
If you don't admit that I can't help you.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 1:41:27 PM   
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There's a definite limit to the player we look at
There's a list of FAs every year
And they are different levels of FAs
The top level ...... we NEVER look at or even kick the tires on.
If you don't admit that I can't help you.



"(though they stayed away from the big name free agents)


DIDJA MISS THAT PART?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 1:45:58 PM   
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There's a definite limit to the player we look at
There's a list of FAs every year
And they are different levels of FAs
The top level ...... we NEVER look at or even kick the tires on.
If you don't admit that I can't help you.



"(though they stayed away from the big name free agents)


DIDJA MISS THAT PART?

Guess I wasn't singling you out, but if you wanna yell, lets go ...

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 1:47:25 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/4/2016 1:57:38 PM   
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I dont' want to get into a pissing match either.

It just looked like you were responding to my post. And I clearly stated we haven't gone after big name free agents.

FWIW I don't think we will for the next couple years either...

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/5/2016 12:41:15 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/7/2016 7:24:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Dodgers are set to add yet another left-hander into the mix by acquiring Vidal Nuno from the Mariners. Catcher Carlos Ruiz will be dealt to Seattle. The deal is not yet official

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/7/2016 7:58:37 AM   
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I do

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/7/2016 8:19:20 AM   
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I do

I guess after yesterday, I do, too.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/7/2016 11:32:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Believe it or not, the offseason is here. Free agency begins Tuesday and we've already seen the hot stove kindled by a few trades. With due respect to Cameron Maybin and Pat Neshek -- both useful players who ought to help their new teams -- neither will be the biggest name involved in trade talks this winter.

Pinning down every player likely to surface in trade discussions would be impossible. So, instead of attempting that, we will focus on a group of players who 1) Are almost certain to be talked about and 2) Are snared in a web of interesting circumstances. We're not saying these players will be traded -- though some listed here will be. We're just saying that these players' names will arise in rumors.


Chris Archer SP / Tampa Bay Rays

Presuming the Rays will operate like normal this winter -- meaning everyone is available for the right price -- then Chris Archer is the most intriguing pick of the bunch. He is, after all, a front-line starter with the brains and athleticism to maintain that status for years to come. Those are hard to come by.

The questions for the Rays are whether they should move Archer -- due to his down year (from a surface-level perspective) and their own competitive aspirations -- and whether they could get fair value in return. Remember, Archer is owed less than $20 million over the next three seasons; his contract then includes a pair of club options, valued at $20 million total. Any acquiring team would be gaining Archer's remaining prime for less than $40 million. That's a sweet deal, one necessitating a hefty prospect payout.

For those reasons, Archer is likely to remain in St. Petersburg. At least for another season or two.




Kyle Schwarber LF / Chicago Cubs

Yes, Kyle Schwarber just completed a miracle comeback to rejoin the Cubs in the World Series. And yes, Cubs officials and players seem to love him. Those facts don't negate his odd fit on the roster.

There's no doubting Schwarber's ability to hit -- but where does he play?

The Cubs have a long-term solution at first base in Anthony Rizzo and might not want Schwarber behind the plate due to his knee injury. That leaves left field as the lone option. That's a problem too given the Cubs have Ben Zobrist and Jorge Soler hanging around. Maybe the solution is shifting Jason Heyward to center field on a permanent basis or using Javier Baez in a super-sub role. But the most practical solution -- or the one we'll all keep expecting to happen at some point -- is trading Schwarber to a team where he can slot in at first base or designated hitter.

The Cubs have no reason to give Schwarber away, so if they do move him, expect it to be for a big-league player who can help their repeat chances in another capacity.


Vince Velasquez SP / Philadelphia Phillies

Vincent Velasquez was acquired last winter in the Ken Giles trade, and was a revelation for the Phillies ... until the second half, when things fell apart. (He allowed 12 home runs in 52 innings after allowing nine in his first 78.) Because his name surfaced in deadline trade talks, you can bet he'll be revisited this winter.

The argument for keeping Velasquez is straightforward. He's young, he's promising and he's cheap. The Phillies are getting closer to completing their rebuild and he could be an important part of that process. Still, the argument for trading Velasquez is that pitchers break all the time. Heck, Velasquez might have already peaked for all we know. As such, if the Phillies can get a king's ransom in return, they would be wise to consider it. Anything less than an absurd package, however, could give off the appearance that they're spinning their wheels rather than proceeding with intent to compete in the near future.

Best guess: Velasquez will open the season in the Phillies rotation.

Wade Davis Royals

Wade Davis might've thrown his final pitch in a Royals uniform. USATSI



Remember when Wade Davis was held as baseball's best reliever? An injury-ravaged 2016 probably cost him that title (perhaps to another guy on this list) and came at the worst possible time for the Royals.

Davis is entering the final year of his contract, which will pay him $10 million. The Royals showed last deadline that they're willing to keep this group together as best as possible, but Dayton Moore has to be realistic. Kansas City almost certainly cannot afford to keep Davis beyond this season, and the newly introduced injury dynamic means a winter trade could be the safest play.

This isn't intended to sound negative about Davis, by the way. If he's healthy, he just might still be the best reliever in baseball. There's just too much incentive on the Royals' part to find a workable trade to believe he'll be back for a fifth season in K.C.




Brian McCann C / New York Yankees

Relative to the situations listed here, this one is straightforward. Brian McCann has three guaranteed seasons left on his contract, but has seen his production slip since signing with New York. At the same time, the Yankees have a younger, cheaper, seemingly better catching option in Gary Sanchez.


McCann should draw interest because while he isn't what he once was, he's a capable hitter and receiver whose $17 million salary no longer seems absurd. Finding an above-average, two-way catcher is never easy. As a result, expect quite a few teams -- including McCann's former organization in Atlanta -- to check in on his availability.

Furthermore, expect McCann to be someone else's Opening Day starter come April.



Andrew Miller RP / Cleveland Indians

Finally, we reach Andrew Miller, perhaps the breakout star of the postseason. Miller has two years remaining on his contact (both valued at $9 million) which would seem to make him an odd fit here.

But consider that the Indians rode Miller hard after acquiring him at the deadline; that they would have to invest close to $20 million in Miller and Cody Allen (a significant amount for a team that entered this season with a $96 million payroll); and that, for all his ability to shut down opposing lineups and resemblance to a daddy long legs, he's still a relief pitcher whose 74 innings were a regular-season high since he moved to the bullpen.

The Indians, like the Rays and Pirates and other small-market teams, have to keep an eye on the future in addition to one on the present. Trading Miller would undoubtedly hurt them, but they have to consider everything.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/7/2016 2:19:38 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/7/2016 6:40:06 PM   
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By Cash Kruth / MLB.com



Free agency does not officially begin until Tuesday, and teams had until 5 p.m. ET today to submit a qualifying offer to their prospective free agents, which for the 2017 season is a one-year, $17.2 million contract offer. Players have one week (Nov. 14) to accept or decline.
If a player accepts a qualifying offer -- as the Orioles' Matt Wieters, the Astros' Colby Rasmus and the Dodgers' Brett Anderson did a year ago -- he will remain with his team in 2017 for the designated salary. This year, 10 players received a qualifying offer, which is half of last year's total.



If a player declines, he remains a free agent but will have Draft-pick compensation attached to him. Any team that signs a free agent who has declined a qualifying offer must surrender a Draft pick -- unless it's a top 10 selection, which is protected. In that case, the team surrenders its second-round pick.

One key fact to remember: Free agents who were traded during the season -- such as closer Aroldis Chapman -- are not eligible to receive a qualifying offer.

Below is a breakdown of the prominent free agents who did (and did not) receive a qualifying offer. We've divided this list into two sections, leading with players who received a qualifying offer. A list of the most prominent players who did not get an offer are listed below that. Within each section, players are listed in order of Tom Tango's free agent rankings.

RECEIVED QUALIFYING OFFER

Justin Turner, 3B, Dodgers
Turner came out at No. 1 on Tango's free-agent rankings, and it will be interesting what kind of contract he ends up with after a mid-career renaissance turned him into an elite hitter in his late 20s.

Edwin Encarnacion, DH/1B, Blue Jays
Encarnacion is No. 3 on Tango's rankings after another productive season, hitting 42 home runs with 127 RBIs in 160 games. He's collected at least 34 homers in each of the past five seasons, driving in 100 or more runs four times in that span.

Dexter Fowler, OF, Cubs
Fowler declined his portion of a mutual option to become a free agent, and he was then extended a qualifying offer.

Ian Desmond, SS/OF, Rangers
Desmond has received a qualifying offer for the second straight offseason, this time from the Rangers. The former Nationals shortstop transitioned to the outfield in Texas after not signing with the Rangers until February. He hit .285 with 22 homers, 86 RBIs and 21 stolen bases in 2016.

Jose Bautista, OF, Blue Jays
Bautista is coming off a season in which in he had two stints on the disabled list and saw his overall production dip (1.0 WAR), though he still ranked among the MLB leaders in walk rate. The veteran hit 22 homers in 116 games, while his .452 slugging percentage was his lowest since 2009 (.408).

Kenley Jansen, RP, Dodgers
Jansen is arguably the top closer on the market, but unlike Chapman and Mark Melancon -- the other contenders for that title -- he's the only one who can receive a QO, as Chapman and Melancon were traded during the year.

Jeremy Hellickson, RHP, Phillies
Hellickson was one of the surprises of the season, going 12-10 with a 3.71 ERA in 32 starts. The 2011 American League Rookie of the Year Award winner turns 30 in April and matched his career high in innings this year with 189.

Yoenis Cespedes, OF, Mets
Cespedes has already opted out of the final two years and $47.5 million of a three-year contract he signed with the Mets last winter and is No. 2 on Tango's rankings. He's been highly productive since joining the Mets at the 2015 Trade Deadline, posting a .282/.348/.554 slash line with 48 home runs and 130 RBIs in 189 games.

Neil Walker, 2B, Mets
Walker was on his way to a successful first season with the Mets before he underwent season-ending surgery to repair a herniated disk in September. Walker matched his career high with 23 home runs and hit .282 with 55 RBIs in 113 games.

Mark Trumbo, OF, Orioles
Trumbo led the Majors with 47 homers in his first year with the Orioles. He appeared in 159 games and set career highs with 108 RBIs, a .533 slugging percentage and an .850 OPS.

DID NOT RECEIVE QUALIFYING OFFER

Wilson Ramos, C, Nationals
Ramos likely will be out until midsummer 2017 rehabbing from a September right knee injury, so he will not receive a qualifying offer despite hitting .307/.354/.496 with 22 homers and 80 RBIs in 131 games. The 29-year-old still figures to garner plenty of interest following a breakout offensive campaign.

Matt Wieters, C, Orioles
Wieters, a four-time All-Star, received and accepted a qualifying offer from the Orioles last year, but he was not extended one this year. The 30-year-old is considered the top catcher on the free-agent market.

Michael Saunders, OF, Blue Jays
Saunders put up the best offensive numbers of his eight-year career in 2016, earning his first All-Star selection along the way. He hit .298 with 16 homers in the first half, but he struggled down the stretch and hit .178 with eight homers in the second half.

Mike Napoli, 1B/DH, Indians
Napoli, 35, had a career year in his first year in Cleveland and played a key role in the Indians' run to Game 7 of the World Series. The 11-year veteran set career highs in homers (34), RBIs (101), games (150) and plate appearances (645), in addition to emerging as a leader in the clubhouse and a favorite among fans.

Kendrys Morales, DH, Royals
Morales has already declined his half of a mutual contract option for next season. The 10-year veteran hit .263/.327/.468 with 30 homers and 93 RBIs in 154 games this year, his second in Kansas City.

Edinson Volquez, RHP, Royals
Volquez made 34 starts in his second season with the Royals, going 10-11 with a 5.37 ERA. He previously declined his half of a mutual option for next year. He's made at least 31 starts in each of the past five seasons.


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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/10/2016 10:04:40 AM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/11/2016 9:27:51 AM   
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The Braves have announced a one-year deal with free agent righty R.A. Dickey. The contract, the value of which remain unreported, includes a 2018 option.


Supposedly Bartolo Colon is signing there also - trying to accumulate an all AARP rotation I guess.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/11/2016 3:52:05 PM   
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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 11/11/2016 4:23:19 PM   
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