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I say cheating the game with your equipment is worse than cheating it with PEDs as far as records go, and all that. Cheating with illegal equipment is on par with or maybe slightly worse than what the Astros did with technology and garbage cans. Both much worse than PEDs, because with PEDs, it's still your body, and it's a fine line between what's legal for enhancement and what is not.
How would you compare cheating in MLB to what is happening with our federal, state and local governments? Do you believe that cheating is going on with our political voice?
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Cheating in baseball with the spitter and non electronic sign stealing was almost honorable back in the day. It was a well respected tradition. As for Rose and the hall I don't give a rat's ass about his betting on baseball during his managerial career. He is not under consideration for his managerial skills. Also he always bet on his team. He had or has a gambling problem. If he bet on baseball while he was a player that to me doesn't diminish his baseball contributions.
Major League Baseball made it abundantly clear with the Black Sox scandal that betting on baseball of any kind by anyone involved with baseball would not be tolerated. Pete Rose bet on baseball, he knew the rules regarding that. He put himself in this box.
Do I think he should be in the HOF? Sure. But he did break baseball's rules regarding gambling.
If you are going to give him a pass, then you should be giving every other cheater a pass as well.
McGwire's conribution to Baseball is he (with Sammy Sosa) saved the game, roided up or not, the chase to beat Maris in 1998 brought people back to the park after the World Series cancellation fiasco. That and the rest of his career should put him in the HOF.
I am fine giving the Steriod era a pass because MLB looked the other way and did nothing. It wasn't until CONGRESS got involved that they finally took action. They essentially enabled the entire steroid era. Why should the players get punished now when they were never going to get punished then?
I also think it is important to consider what the players took and when they took it. McGwire was taking androstenedione or something like that while it was totally legal to take it. However, he did continue using some steroids after they were banned if I understand correctly.
Also those players weren't banned for betting on baseball. They were banned for allegedly accepting bribes. Shoeless Joe it seemed took the money and still played his best.
As for giving Rose a pass betting is breaking the rules, but it isn't cheating.
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