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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Interesting Bill. That's always seemed like a plausible explanation to me too; that the inspection was off in the first place, not the Patriots' handling of them. Unless they take all the balls back to the lockerroom or something after the inspection and before warmups, where do they tamper with them where no one would notice?

Did he say if the inspection is done in the open? On the sideline or near the field?

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

I know what you mean about the sophomoric thing. You can tell that news and sports people are being very careful to say "footballs" instead of just "balls" when talking about this.

I understood that there was a more formal examination ahead of time, with the footballs being weighed and the psi measured - not just feeling them. And later, when they were all examined again, it was only the Patriots footballs that had changed.

I wouldn't have a problem with someone from the league as opposed to a home team employee being responsible from this point forward for all of the handling of the footballs. That would prevent anything like this from happening again.

In the meantime, rules were broken and a punishment of some kind is in order.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I hate Sherman but he does make a lot of good points. 

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ORIGINAL: John Childress

“They were trying to suspend Marshawn for gold shoes and that [deflating the ball] really affects the game,” Sherman said, according to the Boston Globe. “You suspend Marshawn for gold shoes, then you’ve got balls being deflated and that’s the issue.”

Sherman has a history of calling out what he sees as NFL hypocrisy. Late last year, Sherman held a press conference alongside a cardboard cutout of teammate Doug Baldwin -- Baldwin hid behind the podium for some reason -- in which the duo criticized the league’s requirement that players talk to the media but make sure to wear the appropriate headphones when they do. (The league bans players from wearing Beats by Dre headphones on camera immediately before and after a game.)

The duo also pointed out at the time that the league says it worries about player safety, but sometimes makes teams play two games in five days.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/22/richard-sherman-deflategate_n_6523248.html

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The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate

... NFL analyst William Sharp found that, since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled dramatically less often than any other team that plays home games outside. And both Sharp and the Wall Street Journal's Michael Salfino looked at players who played for both the Patriots and another team between 2007 and 2014. Those players fumbled 46 percent less often when they were with New England.

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

Maybe the Patriot ball-inflation scandal is a bigger deal than I thought:

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The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate

... NFL analyst William Sharp found that, since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled dramatically less often than any other team that plays home games outside. And both Sharp and the Wall Street Journal's Michael Salfino looked at players who played for both the Patriots and another team between 2007 and 2014. Those players fumbled 46 percent less often when they were with New England.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/26/7906127/patriots-deflate-fumble-stats

Can someone estimate how many wins are added by cutting your fumble rate in half?

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

Maybe the Patriot ball-inflation scandal is a bigger deal than I thought:

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The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate

... NFL analyst William Sharp found that, since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled dramatically less often than any other team that plays home games outside. And both Sharp and the Wall Street Journal's Michael Salfino looked at players who played for both the Patriots and another team between 2007 and 2014. Those players fumbled 46 percent less often when they were with New England.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/26/7906127/patriots-deflate-fumble-stats

Can someone estimate how many wins are added by cutting your fumble rate in half?

that couldn't have anything to do with having a coach that might say something like, "if you fumble, your ass is toast." ?

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

Maybe the Patriot ball-inflation scandal is a bigger deal than I thought:

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The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate

... NFL analyst William Sharp found that, since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled dramatically less often than any other team that plays home games outside. And both Sharp and the Wall Street Journal's Michael Salfino looked at players who played for both the Patriots and another team between 2007 and 2014. Those players fumbled 46 percent less often when they were with New England.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/26/7906127/patriots-deflate-fumble-stats

Can someone estimate how many wins are added by cutting your fumble rate in half?

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

It's just getting funnier and funnier:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/video-shows-employee-taking-24-balls-into-bathroom/

Seriously, NFL, just apologize to the Patriots for this witch-hunt and move along.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

Maybe the Patriot ball-inflation scandal is a bigger deal than I thought:

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The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate

... NFL analyst William Sharp found that, since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled dramatically less often than any other team that plays home games outside. And both Sharp and the Wall Street Journal's Michael Salfino looked at players who played for both the Patriots and another team between 2007 and 2014. Those players fumbled 46 percent less often when they were with New England.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/26/7906127/patriots-deflate-fumble-stats

Can someone estimate how many wins are added by cutting your fumble rate in half?

Horribly flawed attempt at meaningful analysis.

Seriously, offensive plays per fumble? I'm a little surprised you posted something like that.

Perhaps these data experts are not aware of the fact that a fumble is not even possible on a significant percentage of plays.

Over that five year span referenced in that crackpot piece, over 1000 Patriot plays resulted in incompletions. A play impossible to have fumbled. How many more were TD's caught in the endzone? Another play impossible to have fumbled.

I guess everybody thinks they cracked the code. That particular effort was very weak.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

What about the fact that the "study" completely took out Dome teams' fumble rates? They just don't count?

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Apart from the Patriots, the other three teams in the top four (for lowest fumble rate) since 2010 all play inside. And only one team — the Atlanta Falcons — has a lower fumble rate overall in the time period.

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

Maybe the Patriot ball-inflation scandal is a bigger deal than I thought:

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The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate

... NFL analyst William Sharp found that, since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled dramatically less often than any other team that plays home games outside. And both Sharp and the Wall Street Journal's Michael Salfino looked at players who played for both the Patriots and another team between 2007 and 2014. Those players fumbled 46 percent less often when they were with New England.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/26/7906127/patriots-deflate-fumble-stats

Can someone estimate how many wins are added by cutting your fumble rate in half?

Horribly flawed attempt at meaningful analysis.

Seriously, offensive plays per fumble? I'm a little surprised you posted something like that.

Perhaps these data experts are not aware of the fact that a fumble is not even possible on a significant percentage of plays.

Over that five year span referenced in that crackpot piece, over 1000 Patriot plays resulted in incompletions. A play impossible to have fumbled. How many more were TD's caught in the endzone? Another play impossible to have fumbled.

I guess everybody thinks they cracked the code. That particular effort was very weak.

Perhaps the data experts were aware that virtually every offensive play has a QB/center exchange meaning virtually every play leads to a chance to fumble.

True for all teams across the board equally. You don't think fumbled snaps were removed from the analysis do you?

It's fair to look at every play.

Also, I don't know where NE ranks in pass vs run plays but Brady is one of the more accurate QB's over that time I'd imagine so is 1000 incompletions high or low compared to other teams?

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Yep. The witch-hunt continues.

Just admit that they've dominated you for 15 years, other teams, and move on.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

What about the fact that the "study" completely took out Dome teams' fumble rates? They just don't count?

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: JT2

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

Maybe the Patriot ball-inflation scandal is a bigger deal than I thought:

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The New England Patriots have a suspiciously low fumble rate

... NFL analyst William Sharp found that, since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled dramatically less often than any other team that plays home games outside. And both Sharp and the Wall Street Journal's Michael Salfino looked at players who played for both the Patriots and another team between 2007 and 2014. Those players fumbled 46 percent less often when they were with New England.

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/26/7906127/patriots-deflate-fumble-stats

Can someone estimate how many wins are added by cutting your fumble rate in half?

Horribly flawed attempt at meaningful analysis.

Seriously, offensive plays per fumble? I'm a little surprised you posted something like that.

Perhaps these data experts are not aware of the fact that a fumble is not even possible on a significant percentage of plays.

Over that five year span referenced in that crackpot piece, over 1000 Patriot plays resulted in incompletions. A play impossible to have fumbled. How many more were TD's caught in the endzone? Another play impossible to have fumbled.

I guess everybody thinks they cracked the code. That particular effort was very weak.

Perhaps the data experts were aware that virtually every offensive play has a QB/center exchange meaning virtually every play leads to a chance to fumble.

True for all teams across the board equally. You don't think fumbled snaps were removed from the analysis do you?

It's fair to look at every play.

Also, I don't know where NE ranks in pass vs run plays but Brady is one of the more accurate QB's over that time I'd imagine so is 1000 incompletions high or low compared to other teams?

Yet, oddly absent in that article is any data on Center/QB exchange fumbles. In fact, no data at all on Brady's fumbles.
Brady is the alleged mastermind behind this, yet no specific data on his fumble rate.