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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/12/2016 2:24:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

1995, he'd be behind Rice and ahead of Irvin.

Rice: 122 receptions, 1848 yards, 15 TDs.
Carter: 122 receptions, 1371 yards, 17 TDs.
Irvin: 111 receptions, 1603 yards, 10 TDs.

So 1 year he was #2

Most of his career he was more like in the 3-6 range.

By 98 Owens and Moss were passed him as well as Harrison

He was very good

But Owens was on another level than Carter

EXCEPT

Owens was jerk

So much so that two teams dumped him

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/12/2016 2:55:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: JC2015

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

1995, he'd be behind Rice and ahead of Irvin.

Rice: 122 receptions, 1848 yards, 15 TDs.
Carter: 122 receptions, 1371 yards, 17 TDs.
Irvin: 111 receptions, 1603 yards, 10 TDs.

So 1 year he was #2

Most of his career he was more like in the 3-6 range.

By 98 Owens and Moss were passed him as well as Harrison

He was very good

But Owens was on another level than Carter

EXCEPT

Owens was jerk

So much so that two teams dumped him

Owens was an immensely talented guy and immensely cancerous presence in the lockerroom

Carter was an immensely talented guy and an incredibly self centered arrogant prick.

Both deserve enshrinement.

Carter is there
Owens will be eventually

I don't get what all the arguing is about.

Carter had to wait.
So does Owens.
Owens likely wont have to wait as long.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/13/2016 9:46:03 AM

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A lot of it has to do with who is on the ballet.

Owen's won't have to wait 10 years. He will be in probably in less than 5.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/13/2016 2:54:39 PM

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Manning's sexual assault case resurfaces

I don't know about you - but I would rather my son sulk after losing the Super Bowl than assault a woman

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/14/2016 12:36:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: JC2015

Manning's sexual assault case resurfaces

I don't know about you - but I would rather my son sulk after losing the Super Bowl than assault a woman

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly

Talk about the chosen one, the golden boy. The criminal that media turns into hero.

Everything Randy Moss ever ****in did followed him. Past transgressions were always a talking point.

I challenge any football fan to find just ONE example of an analyst or commentator bringing up the past criminal behavior of Peyton Manning on game day. Randy's "troubled" past was almost always talked about on game day. Hell, often times it was the focal point of discussion.

So, Jameis Winston is a possible/probable criminal, rapist. And Peyton Manning is a hero.

Manning is very close to Lance Armstrong level, in terms of complete and utter contempt for any ant that may get in his way.

As far as I know, Armstrong wasn't sexually assaulting people. We know that Manning has.

The PED story on Manning................short lived. Why? Oh, the media created hero, that has bought justice in the past, deserves the benefit of the doubt?

I understand that people get to choose their heroes. You might want to do a little homework first.

The great Peyton Manning committed a sexual assault, and used his name, position, and family money to turn the victim into a liar.

The great Brett Favre refused to cooperate in an investigation about his alleged sexual misconduct. I'll take the fine, thank you.

Yeah, these guys are heroes. Stand up guys.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/14/2016 7:30:06 AM

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PREACH BROTHER!

People want to act like sports are colorblind but the reality is nothing in America is colorblind

He a proven sexual predator

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/14/2016 7:31:28 AM 1 votes

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Spin this however you want. As giving Manning a pass while slamming Cam for sulking after the SB/being a pussy during...

But give me a 2nd thing.

One impetuous immature decision as a teen and people want to paint this 'dark past' scenario where a hero isn't who we thought he was. Drive home that it was a sexual assault like there's no difference between dropping your junk on someone's head for a second and rape.

Ben Roethlisberger is called Rapistberger like it's a meme and handled with a shrug. Anyone railing on him still? But oh, that Manning...evil incarnate.

I'm not saying it was right, or that he should have gotten away with it, or that the family didn't handle it in a scummy way...just seems to me people are running around with this one tiny nail trying to nail the coffin shut. "They're just dogs" but do one stupid thing as a young man? Scumbag for life.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/14/2016 7:32:48 AM

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He a proven sexual predator

Laughable.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/14/2016 9:54:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

Spin this however you want. As giving Manning a pass while slamming Cam for sulking after the SB/being a pussy during...

But give me a 2nd thing.

One impetuous immature decision as a teen and people want to paint this 'dark past' scenario where a hero isn't who we thought he was. Drive home that it was a sexual assault like there's no difference between dropping your junk on someone's head for a second and rape.

Ben Roethlisberger is called Rapistberger like it's a meme and handled with a shrug. Anyone railing on him still? But oh, that Manning...evil incarnate.

I'm not saying it was right, or that he should have gotten away with it, or that the family didn't handle it in a scummy way...just seems to me people are running around with this one tiny nail trying to nail the coffin shut. "They're just dogs" but do one stupid thing as a young man? Scumbag for life.

Typical racist White reaction

Never ever hold your own people accountable

"Immature decision of a teen" is what you call sexual assault

Amazing

I shouldn't be surprised though coming from you

I already called out Cam for his behavior on and off the field

But to compare a QB sulking with sexual assault shows exactly how biased and lost you are

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/14/2016 10:08:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: JC2015

Manning's sexual assault case resurfaces

I don't know about you - but I would rather my son sulk after losing the Super Bowl than assault a woman

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly

I never ever seen this story

Amazing how a big University can sweep something like this under the rug for the sake of making big money with it's football program.

AD got beat up pretty bad with what he did. While Manning walks away scot free

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/14/2016 4:56:14 PM

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Is there a single player in any pro sport that's squeaky clean?

Er... except maybe Griffey, Jr.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/19/2016 10:34:48 PM

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He a proven sexual predator

Laughable.

It's no news flash that JC is obsessed with his hatred for Manning. That's what happens when you announce that a player is done, the week leading up to the game where he throws for 7 TDs, or during the same season that he breaks the NFL TD pasing record by 5 TDs.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/19/2016 10:41:02 PM

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oh and lets not talk about the black players who are less than squeaky clean either...

yea Payton is THE WORST.. at least since some running back beat the shit out of his kid or another cold cocked his future wife in an elevator..

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/20/2016 1:51:46 AM

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Pretty sure you were AOkay with Peterson's brand of child rearing.

PEyton is definitely not the worst, especially compared to OJ, Hernandez, Carruth, etc.

The league and the media certainly made a decision on whether or not to talk about his past. Many players have not received that same treatment.

Still more than a fine line between squeaky clean and sexual assault.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/20/2016 3:58:21 PM

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How about Marvin Harrison and Ray Lewis. Both possibly involved in murder.

Many to this day think Harrison killed a man at his car wash.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/20/2016 6:24:22 PM

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How about Marvin Harrison and Ray Lewis. Both possibly involved in murder.

Many to this day think Harrison killed a man at his car wash.

Rae Carruth ain't no small potatoes here.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/22/2016 4:14:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: JC2015

Manning's sexual assault case resurfaces

I don't know about you - but I would rather my son sulk after losing the Super Bowl than assault a woman

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-peyton-manning-squeaky-clean-image-built-lies-article-1.2530395?cid=bitly

I never ever seen this story

Amazing how a big University can sweep something like this under the rug for the sake of making big money with it's football program.

AD got beat up pretty bad with what he did. While Manning walks away scot free

I am sure many more of the current players have done what Manning did or worse

My beef is how for 20 years they painted him up like a choirboy and he was a sexual abuser

That is a fact.

Race isn't the issue here as much as "chosen one" family

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/22/2016 7:20:59 PM

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Oh lets not go that far man. I'm sure race plays a part too. There's no way to deny that when this happened at a state university in Tennessee. Was it the only thing going on, nope.

Was/is it in play...yeap.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/23/2016 12:00:22 PM

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I am sure it was some factor - a big one in no one talking about it

But there have been Black players in college whose transgressions were forgiven

Difference with Manning is that Archie made it disappear!

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/23/2016 12:05:53 PM

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I am sure it was some factor - a big one in no one talking about it

But there have been Black players in college whose transgressions were forgiven

Difference with Manning is that Archie made it disappear!

Lawyers made it disappear.

Made a deal with the "victim" and she got her payday and clammed up.

There have been ZERO instances of any other kind of action like this on Peyton Manning's part. Now if it were a lifelong, kept happening thing then I would be all over it hurting his legacy etc...

But just as Vick deserved a second chance after dog fighting
Ray Lewis after his issue
Favre's penis
Adrian Peterson

Etc etc etc

everybody deserves a chance at redemption. Peyton isn't squeaky clean. but I would say he's redeemed himself.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/25/2016 12:34:18 AM 2 votes

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I am sure it was some factor - a big one in no one talking about it

But there have been Black players in college whose transgressions were forgiven

Difference with Manning is that Archie made it disappear!

Lawyers made it disappear.

Made a deal with the "victim" and she got her payday and clammed up.

There have been ZERO instances of any other kind of action like this on Peyton Manning's part. Now if it were a lifelong, kept happening thing then I would be all over it hurting his legacy etc...

But just as Vick deserved a second chance after dog fighting
Ray Lewis after his issue
Favre's penis
Adrian Peterson

Etc etc etc

everybody deserves a chance at redemption. Peyton isn't squeaky clean. but I would say he's redeemed himself.

The fact that you put the word victim in quotes is offensive. We all know that female victims of sexual assault face an easy and painless path to justice, right?

Peterson and Vick were held accountable for their actions, and the media certainly didn't shy away from discussing their wrongdoing.

Manning, Favre and Lewis skated. They escaped game day, media scrutiny.

It's not just about what they did, and second chances. It's about how it all went away.

The media creates and bombards you with selective heroes. I'm concerned about the selection process.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/25/2016 6:50:51 AM

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Excellent post Pete.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/26/2016 1:34:37 PM

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One of the things I have noticed over the years here and elsewhere is sometimes people seem to have a lot of empathy for a perp of a bad act and less for a victim

To even suggest this woman was not a victim of sexual assault is amazing - it probably speaks to the acts of those who want to lessen her trauma.

If my son grabbed a woman and forcibly rubbed his balls over her face I would AP him for sure.

Just cause you like Manning doesn't make the woman a golddigger

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/26/2016 1:46:49 PM

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Jumping in here kind of late...

Manning flopping his junkpile on his trainer was minor in comparison to the way the school and the Mannings systematically destroyed the trainer's career. Shame on them. What a bunch of cowards.

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RE: Around the NFL (News) - 2013 Season - 2/26/2016 3:14:55 PM

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I have no empathy for either the perp or the vicitim that was more than happy to take money and clam up about it. She could have easily pressed charges and still gotten an nice settlement from the Manning family. But she didn't. She decided to just take the money and run. So you will all forgive me for not feeling so bad for her. I don't condone endorse or promote anything that Peyton did here. He's not my hero or anything...he's never been a viking and hopefully never will be. Just cause you hate Manning doesn't mean she didn't cash in from this incident.

There has been exactly zero incidences on mannings part since then.

The entire point of my post was everybody deserves the second chance.

And if you are are offended by the use of quotation marks. Well, I can't help you.

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