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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

Because I pretty much disagree with you on everything(Skilz), I googled Top NFL GMs
and the first 5 lists had him at 7, 13, 16,14, and 14.


I don't have time to dig deeper than that, but I think his rating between 10-15 is more accurate than top 6 or 7.

First off, I'll take that as a compliment. . I could care less what some national rankings have; a lot of that is on reputation and relationships, not facts. There have been others of late that have studied, for instance, actual draft results over time. He's been in the top 5-6 if I remember right; maybe even top 3. That to me is a GM's biggest job.

He's not perfect, but he's been a very good GM overall IMO. And I'm not sure there's a better GM in football at draft manuevering.

Again, name me 6 GM's that have added more talent to their roster than Spielman has since he took over fully a few years ago (the only fair way to do it since we don't know who did what before that). I'm pretty confident you won't be able to do it.

But Scott is right too; at the end of the day, you gotta get the trophy. Hopefully he gets one soon.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: McMurfy

Because I pretty much disagree with you on everything(Skilz), I googled Top NFL GMs
and the first 5 lists had him at 7, 13, 16,14, and 14.


I don't have time to dig deeper than that, but I think his rating between 10-15 is more accurate than top 6 or 7.

First off, I'll take that as a compliment. . I could care less what some national rankings have; a lot of that is on reputation and relationships, not facts. There have been others of late that have studied, for instance, actual draft results over time. He's been in the top 5-6 if I remember right; maybe even top 3. That to me is a GM's biggest job.

He's not perfect, but he's been a very good GM overall IMO. And I'm not sure there's a better GM in football at draft manuevering.

Again, name me 6 GM's that have added more talent to their roster than Spielman has since he took over fully a few years ago (the only fair way to do it since we don't know who did what before that). I'm pretty confident you won't be able to do it.

But Scott is right too; at the end of the day, you gotta get the trophy. Hopefully he gets one soon.
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First off, it's couldn't care less.
Next Up, you always move the finish line.
Originally it was find me 5 or 6 better GMs than Spielman.

NOW, it's find me 5 or 6 GMs that have added more talent in the past few years than Spielman.

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The Curse of Mauer is gone!

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

And I'm not sure there's a better GM in football at draft manuevering.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Some good, sneaky Viking talk in here. Sometimes I forget to peek in.

Jesser has been hitting HR's. Dustin followed with a Mauer/Grossman BB, then attempted to make it more meaningful than the HR.

I pride myself on being objective, and fully aware of any bias I may have. I do think Spielman has been playing catch-up his entire FO career. I think he is brilliant.... at keeping a job. I give him credit for that. As a fan of the team, I don't like it.

So many excuses. Not "fully in charge". One question, who is the best QB Spielman has ever (fully in charge, or involved) drafted?

Spielman has been chasing the game.

I think his best move as a GM (wait, was he fully in charge, or was it somebody else?) was trading Harvin. And I liked Harvin.

Any thoughts on Spielman's desire to draft Manziel?

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

That's always been my beef with RS - BTW.

This isn't an anomaly. It's what he does. He ignores a position for far too long and then throws a bunch of shit against the wall hoping some of it will stick. Think about it:


LB
QB
Oline
now - WR

I don't know that I can agree, other than OL. I think a lot of it has to be about syncing up with your coaching. Zimmer focuses on/relies on LB's, so since he's been here they've been a big focus. WR's we're not great, but we're not exactly bottom of the league either at this point, and trending up. And QB, I really don't know what he could have done different than he has the last few years. Good QB's don't grow on trees. And we've never been a bad enough franchise (ie #1-3 pick level) to get a good shot at a franchise guy the typical route. I still believe Teddy can be that, but I'm also very happy with Sam. I think that was a brilliant trade, despite the naysayers.

Now OL, I totally agree. Spielman is far from perfect, but overall, I'm not sure there are 5-6 GM's in the NFL that are better than Spielman. Since he "fully" took over, which is the only fair way to judge him, name me 5-6 teams in the NFL that have added more talent to their roster than us. That's a GM's main job IMO. If the Twins had a GM as good as Spielman the last 10+ years we'd have at least one more WS title IMO.

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ORIGINAL: JT2

Some good, sneaky Viking talk in here. Sometimes I forget to peek in.

Jesser has been hitting HR's. Dustin followed with a Mauer/Grossman BB, then attempted to make it more meaningful than the HR.

I pride myself on being objective, and fully aware of any bias I may have. I do think Spielman has been playing catch-up his entire FO career. I think he is brilliant.... at keeping a job. I give him credit for that. As a fan of the team, I don't like it.

So many excuses. Not "fully in charge". One question, who is the best QB Spielman has ever (fully in charge, or involved) drafted?

Spielman has been chasing the game.

I think his best move as a GM (wait, was he fully in charge, or was it somebody else?) was trading Harvin. And I liked Harvin.

Any thoughts on Spielman's desire to draft Manziel?

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ORIGINAL: Sandman

Could have survived annually having the worst receivers in the league had he atleast addressed the offensive line. Could really care less about his wheelings and dealings and his supposed ability to "assemble talent" when year after year he runs out putrid offensive linemen and wide receivers. If you judge him in wins and losses, he's easily bottom half of gm's.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

That's a great point that I failed to mention. Not only shitty WR's but a shitty Oline. No QB could get past that. I never liked Ponder but was hopeful that he could do something until the day he wound up for a hail may, standing around the 50, and it landed around the 13


I laughed, then literally almost cried.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

That's a great point that I failed to mention. Not only shitty WR's but a shitty Oline. No QB could get past that. I never liked Ponder but was hopeful that he could do something until the day he wound up for a hail may, standing around the 50, and it landed around the 13


I laughed, then literally almost cried.

Life changed for me that day as well.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Hypothetical #1:
Would Heniecke been given a chance at the starter's spot if he hadn't judu kicked a door?

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

Hypothetical #1:
Would Heniecke been given a chance at the starter's spot if he hadn't judu kicked a door?

It's an interesting question. It would have been he versus Hill and nothing else. I would imagine they would have still brought in another vet (who is the question).

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Might have been the most shocking reveal of lack-of-ability I have ever seen in a supposedly capable pro athlete.
It put his career into perfect perspective at that moment.