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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/5/2021 3:41:57 PM   
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#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer: "A priority for me is that we continue to get more pass rushers.''



dumbass, your priority should be an OG or two.

Those aren't mutually exclusive options. The Vikings just set an all time low for sacks and the defense was one of the worst in football. Even with our lousy guard play, the offense finished 4th in the league.

I get that....but that was without Hunter, Pierce, Barr, two rookies at CB, lackadaisical play from Anthony Harris, Kendricks gone for several games.... ONE Pass rusher and an 3 DT should be all we need on the DLine. As they can use Wonnum, and Odenigbo in more of a rotation and we should be fine there.

We have different thoughts on what is needed for the D Line. One pass rusher isn't enough in my book. Wonnum showed promise, but so did Odenigbo two years ago and he took a massive step backwards.

Odenigbo is a rotational guy. Not every down.

Never should have been counted on without Hunter in the lineup. I think that's why they went and got Nkgooukeowaonweee or Yannick Noah or whatever his name was.

That was dumb.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/5/2021 3:43:47 PM   
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Rotational or every down, Odenigbo was flat out ineffective.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/5/2021 3:46:52 PM   
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Rotational or every down, Odenigbo was flat out ineffective.



Isn't he off to Free Agency now?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/5/2021 3:51:17 PM   
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/5/2021 3:54:14 PM   
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Probably why he's all angry about how the season went

hurt his value.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/5/2021 4:03:02 PM   
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Probably why he's all angry about how the season went

hurt his value.


um. HE hurt his value by sucking.

By putting no pressure on the QB.
By doing nothing to appear good at his job.

He's the kind of player that does well in limited snaps but once there's enough tape on him he can be easily negated as a threat.

Hence, best as a rotational guy.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/5/2021 4:07:49 PM   
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The Vikings lost four games by six points or fewer in 2020, including two by one point. If they had won just one more game, they would be heading to the playoffs this week instead of staying home.

And that doesn’t sit well with defensive end Ifeadi Odenigbo.

“I’m just angry, to be honest,” he said Monday, a day after Minnesota’s season ended with a 7-9 record. “I’m angry how everything played out. I’m angry. We had a lot of expectations going in.”

After a 1-5 start, the Vikings clawed their way back to a .500 record (6-6) and were in position to make the playoffs. But they lost their next three games before winning the finale 37-35 Sunday at Detroit in a game that had no playoff implications.


The late-season loss that hurt most was 33-27 at home to Chicago on Dec. 20. Reverse that outcome and the Vikings would have finished 8-8 and replaced the Bears as the NFC’s No. 7 seed, clearing their way for a trip to New Orleans to open the playoffs this weekend.

“We’re not in the playoffs, so you’re going to look back and say, ‘Why are we not?’ ” center Garrett Bradbury said. “There’s a lot of things that stick out. But we’ve got to improve. We have to do better.”

The offense wasn’t to blame for the Vikings failing to make the playoffs a year after they went 10-6 and won a wild-card game at New Orleans. The Vikings finished No. 4 in the NFL in total offense this season, their highest ranking since they were No. 4 in 2004 and their first top-10 finish since they were No. 5 in 2009. However, Pro Football Talk reported Monday that offensive coordinator Gary Kubiak, 59, will retire after just one season on the job.

Haunting the Vikings most was a defense that ranked No. 29 in scoring defense and No. 27 in total defense, by far the lowest rankings in Mike Zimmer’s seven seasons as head coach. The Vikings gave up 470 points, the third most in their 60-year history. The only defenses worse were the 1984 and 2013 teams that gave up 484 and 480 points, respectively.

“In years past, I think we’ve had that high standard on defense, but this year we’re just kind of lacking them,” Odenigbo said. “Obviously, everybody’s at fault.”

The Vikings were hampered by numerous injuries on defense, most notably to defensive end Danielle Hunter and linebackers Anthony Barr and Eric Kendricks, and by young players having to play so much right from the start. Youth at cornerback was a big issue, and so was an inability to generate a pass rush.

Consider that Minnesota’s sack leader was defensive end Yannick Ngakoue with five, and he was traded to Baltimore after just six games. Second in sacks was Odenigbo, who had 3 1/2 as a starter in what he called a “disappointing year.” He had seven sacks in 2019 as a reserve.

“Because we don’t have fans (due to the coronavirus pandemic),” Odengibo gave as one reason for the lack of a pass rush. “So, when you eliminate U.S. Bank Stadium with third and long and people can’t hear the snap count, it makes it a lot easier. … It was a high-scoring offense all year.”

At least the Vikings’ offense took advantage of the NFL’s record season for scoring. They averaged 26.9 points per game, their highest since the 2009 team averaged 29.4.

Kirk Cousins, who threw 35 touchdown passes; Dalvin Cook, who rushed for 1,557 yards; Justin Jefferson, whose 1,400 yards were the second most in NFL history by a rookie receiver, and Adam Thielen, who caught 14 touchdown passes, all had impressive seasons on offense.

But in the end, the Vikings did not make the playoffs and finished with their first losing season since they went 7-9 in Zimmer’s first year in 2014, Thielen said that means there’s much work to be done in the future.

“That’s why I go back to work right when the season’s over, to try to help this team win games,” he said. “So, that’s kind of a weird thing because, obviously, I didn’t do enough to help this team win.”


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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 7:22:45 AM   
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Thielen is not only a great receiver, he also knows how to speak and sum up his teams issues, better than most
His comments yesterday were spot on
Not one excuse. It was all about what is needed ... to be better.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 7:53:57 AM   
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Thielen is not only a great receiver, he also knows how to speak and sum up his teams issues, better than most
His comments yesterday were spot on
Not one excuse. It was all about what is needed ... to be better.


The coach should learn.
But then again, dinosaurs didn't adapt very well back then, either.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 7:59:25 AM   
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Thielen is not only a great receiver, he also knows how to speak and sum up his teams issues, better than most
His comments yesterday were spot on
Not one excuse. It was all about what is needed ... to be better.


The team was not ready out of the gate (due to covid or whatever) and that led to a 1-5 start. A couple of those close games (Chicago, Tenn, Seattle) or just the Chicago game and we were in the playoffs.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 9:02:03 AM   
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Thielen is not only a great receiver, he also knows how to speak and sum up his teams issues, better than most
His comments yesterday were spot on
Not one excuse. It was all about what is needed ... to be better.


The coach should learn.
But then again, dinosaurs didn't adapt very well back then, either.

He'll just never get it
Get better
We weren't good enough
EVERYONE sustains devastating injuries to their rosters

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 9:43:17 AM   
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I'm more in the camp of Odenigbo. It wasn't prep, coaching, being good ect..nah. It was because there was no fans in US Bank. It was a real disadvantage that other teams didn't get affected by. They don't really need US Bank fans when they play. Makes sense bro. He probably would have turned that 3 sacks in to 33 if there were fans.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 9:52:34 AM   
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I'm more in the camp of Odenigbo. It wasn't prep, coaching, being good ect..nah. It was because there was no fans in US Bank. It was a real disadvantage that other teams didn't get affected by. They don't really need US Bank fans when they play. Makes sense bro. He probably would have turned that 3 sacks in to 33 if their were fans.

Exactly
Silly excuses for failure
Seems to come from the top

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 10:15:32 AM   
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Yeap. Just ridiculous. It makes me laugh to hear we were historically bad, defensively, because we lost "Hunter, Barr, Peirce and Kendricks".

While it's true that we lost Hunter and Barr we have no idea if Peirce would be any good in Minny and we were terrible with Kendricks (although he was the best player on the field weekly for us). Looping EK in that group that led to us being horrible is making excuses. Yes, he was great and yes, we stunk.
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 10:23:10 AM   
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Thielen is not only a great receiver, he also knows how to speak and sum up his teams issues, better than most
His comments yesterday were spot on
Not one excuse. It was all about what is needed ... to be better.


The team was not ready out of the gate (due to covid or whatever) and that led to a 1-5 start. A couple of those close games (Chicago, Tenn, Seattle) or just the Chicago game and we were in the playoffs.


They were also a couple of late pull it out vs garbage team wins (CAR/JAGS) from being 5-11

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 10:26:08 AM   
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Thielen is not only a great receiver, he also knows how to speak and sum up his teams issues, better than most
His comments yesterday were spot on
Not one excuse. It was all about what is needed ... to be better.


The team was not ready out of the gate (due to covid or whatever) and that led to a 1-5 start. A couple of those close games (Chicago, Tenn, Seattle) or just the Chicago game and we were in the playoffs.


Coaching?
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 10:26:23 AM   
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And CHI I wouldn't categorize as a lose game. They were down 2 scores a big chunk of the game. Yep, got within 3.

but did little to offer resistance. Santos kicked 4 field goals in that game.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/6/2021 10:30:03 AM   
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Thielen is not only a great receiver, he also knows how to speak and sum up his teams issues, better than most
His comments yesterday were spot on
Not one excuse. It was all about what is needed ... to be better.


The team was not ready out of the gate (due to covid or whatever) and that led to a 1-5 start. A couple of those close games (Chicago, Tenn, Seattle) or just the Chicago game and we were in the playoffs.


They were also a couple of late pull it out vs garbage team wins (CAR/JAGS) from being 5-11

BINGO
That crap evens out
We won a couple we had no right winning

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/9/2021 1:36:44 PM   
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I see the Bills are the NFLs favorite AFC team.
Got about 7 straight calls.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/9/2021 4:02:11 PM   
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Bills barely get it done.

Go Rams!!

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/9/2021 4:05:01 PM   
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BS no call on the hit to the head.
Have to go right back to Goff.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/9/2021 4:10:12 PM   
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Adams has been an over aggressive asshole all year
Just got rewarded again and took out the Rams starting QB
Such BS
If Harry Smith puts that hit on he’s out of the game.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/9/2021 4:44:52 PM   
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Are you kidding me?
Seattle’s receivers screaming at Wilson.
You do know how much worse other QBs are ... don’t you?
Wow.
Young receivers like that need an ass kicking.
I had a scrap or two with receivers as a crappy HS QB.
You’re bitching about one of the best you clowns.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/9/2021 4:47:01 PM   
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Have Metcalf block Aaron Donald a couple times.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans - 1/9/2021 4:47:34 PM   
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And that’s what happens when you force it to him
Because he cried.

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