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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 10:51:36 AM   
Dave E


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Status: offline 		AD reinstated for Sunday. Way to take a strong stand, Vikes.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 10:53:24 AM   
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AD reinstated for Sunday. Way to take a strong stand, Vikes.


League will eventually suspend him.
Let's see how this all plays out.
I'm sure they discussed it with him and are satisfied with his current course of action.

Let's not kneejerk the guy out of town.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 10:54:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		They already made their strong stand with the special teams coach.

They reduced his suspension from 3 games to 2 when they thought nobody would notice.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 10:58:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:06:00 AM   
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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.


You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:07:06 AM   
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AD reinstated for Sunday. Way to take a strong stand, Vikes.


League will eventually suspend him.
Let's see how this all plays out.
I'm sure they discussed it with him and are satisfied with his current course of action.

Let's not kneejerk the guy out of town.


There's no question he did it; he's admitted it.

I've seen the pictures.

Feeling that a single game on the sidelines is not sufficient punishment is not "knee jerk."

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:07:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:07:39 AM   
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They already made their strong stand with the special teams coach.

They reduced his suspension from 3 games to 2 when they thought nobody would notice.


I'm just shocked that it got reduced.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:08:15 AM   
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They already made their strong stand with the special teams coach.

They reduced his suspension from 3 games to 2 when they thought nobody would notice.


When they saw special teams foul up of epic proportions probably killed the Vikings moral (what little there was) in this game and put it out of reach for a Cassel led offense.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:09:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not saying I agree or disagree with it, but after everything, I'm guessing AD ends up with a 4 game suspension and a ton of community service work, and (hopefully/importantly) a major attitude adjustment to what he has done and what he needs to do in the future.

I'm sickened by what he did, but I do hope that some good can come of this and education for all.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:09:44 AM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:10:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

AD reinstated for Sunday. Way to take a strong stand, Vikes.


League will eventually suspend him.
Let's see how this all plays out.
I'm sure they discussed it with him and are satisfied with his current course of action.

Let's not kneejerk the guy out of town.


There's no question he did it; he's admitted it.

I've seen the pictures.

Feeling that a single game on the sidelines is not sufficient punishment is not "knee jerk."


And the team knows the NFL will suspend him eventually. Might as well play him until then.

This will get pled down, he will do community service, and hopefully learn to temper the punishment of kids.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:10:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

AD reinstated for Sunday. Way to take a strong stand, Vikes.


League will eventually suspend him.
Let's see how this all plays out.
I'm sure they discussed it with him and are satisfied with his current course of action.

Let's not kneejerk the guy out of town.


There's no question he did it; he's admitted it.

I've seen the pictures.

Feeling that a single game on the sidelines is not sufficient punishment is not "knee jerk."


And the team knows the NFL will suspend him eventually. Might as well play him until then.

This will get pled down, he will do community service, and hopefully learn to temper the punishment of kids.


God forbid the Vikings do something beyond the minimum.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:10:58 AM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


Not sure I agree, Dave. At some point, the players' union is going to not put up with non-suspension suspensions without due process. I think the league's best player would be an impetus for that.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:11:24 AM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


They couldnt have done it without pay.

So, let's pay a guy a very large sum of money to do nothing when he's physically capable of doing it?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:12:03 AM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


Not sure I agree, Dave. At some point, the players' union is going to not put up with non-suspension suspensions without due process. I think the league's best player would be an impetus for that.


You can deactivate a player for four games with pay per league rules, I believe. NFLPA can bark if they don't like it, but they have no recourse; they are the idiots who signed the awful CBA.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:12:17 AM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


They couldnt have done it without pay.

So, let's pay a guy a very large sum of money to do nothing when he's physically capable of doing it?


Yes.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:13:07 AM   
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AD reinstated for Sunday. Way to take a strong stand, Vikes.


League will eventually suspend him.
Let's see how this all plays out.
I'm sure they discussed it with him and are satisfied with his current course of action.

Let's not kneejerk the guy out of town.


There's no question he did it; he's admitted it.

I've seen the pictures.

Feeling that a single game on the sidelines is not sufficient punishment is not "knee jerk."


And the team knows the NFL will suspend him eventually. Might as well play him until then.

This will get pled down, he will do community service, and hopefully learn to temper the punishment of kids.


God forbid the Vikings do something beyond the minimum.



What do you think they should do?

Cut him?
Trade him?

He's going to play football again. Let's benefit from his abilities until the league suspends him. Let the league do the league's job.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:14:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

AD reinstated for Sunday. Way to take a strong stand, Vikes.


League will eventually suspend him.
Let's see how this all plays out.
I'm sure they discussed it with him and are satisfied with his current course of action.

Let's not kneejerk the guy out of town.


There's no question he did it; he's admitted it.

I've seen the pictures.

Feeling that a single game on the sidelines is not sufficient punishment is not "knee jerk."


And the team knows the NFL will suspend him eventually. Might as well play him until then.

This will get pled down, he will do community service, and hopefully learn to temper the punishment of kids.


God forbid the Vikings do something beyond the minimum.



What do you think they should do?

Cut him?
Trade him?

He's going to play football again. Let's benefit from his abilities until the league suspends him. Let the league do the league's job.


I'd like the Vikings to make a real statement that they do not approve of child abuse. One game sitting and passing the buck does not do that. Not saying they need to cut or trade him, but I'm damn sure they haven't done enough.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:14:32 AM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


Not sure I agree, Dave. At some point, the players' union is going to not put up with non-suspension suspensions without due process. I think the league's best player would be an impetus for that.


You can deactivate a player for four games with pay per league rules, I believe. NFLPA can bark if they don't like it, but they have no recourse; they are the idiots who signed the awful CBA.


What does deactivating accomplish? It doesn't cost Peterson any money.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:14:32 AM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


They couldnt have done it without pay.

So, let's pay a guy a very large sum of money to do nothing when he's physically capable of doing it?


Yes.

That's just financially Stupid.

Do you really think he will learn anything by not playing and continuing to collect a paycheck. It wont help anyone until he loses the paychecks too.

Vikings are paying a lot for his services. Let's get value from them.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:14:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm indifferent. I just think the Vikings are in a tough spot. Certainly not condoning what he did, which is despicable.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:15:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


They couldnt have done it without pay.

So, let's pay a guy a very large sum of money to do nothing when he's physically capable of doing it?


Yes.

That's just financially Stupid.

Do you really think he will learn anything by not playing and continuing to collect a paycheck. It wont help anyone until he loses the paychecks too.

Vikings are paying a lot for his services. Let's get value from them.


There are things more important than "maximizing value." Would be nice to see an NFL team acknoledge that, although I know it's a pipe dream.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:16:06 AM   
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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.


You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?


Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:16:59 AM   
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