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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:22:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		So a D-lineman falls on the sword forthe timeout in the Jets game.

New York Jets defensive end Sheldon Richardson said he called the timeout before Geno Smith threw a game-tying touchdown during the fourth quarter against the Green Bay Packers, NJ.com's Darryl Slater reports.

Someone tell me what PI is any more. I saw so many called Sunday in 2 games, I have no idea what it is any longer. I don't think the refs know either.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:28:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		Peterson or no Peterson, the "distraction of it all" will be a convenient excuse when the Saints crush them Sunday.

The part I saw was a team going thru the motions. I'd bench Wright and go with Smith/Thielen, guys that actually can catch a ball thrown to them.

QB? try giving him some time. And he has to make better passes too.

D? uninspired.

They were schooled.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:52:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:53:42 AM   
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How'd you like to be Morninwheg, the OC of the Jets who ran in and called a timeout on the tying TD pass in GB??

Lucky to have a job after this.


According to the Packer players they heard the whistle and let up. Wouldn't have necessarily been a touchdown at least according to what the palyers themselves said.

Shocking that our resident Packer Backer saw it this way.
The receiver and DBack were battling. Receiver won.
Easy to say after .... Umm, yeah, wasn't trying.
Smith got clocked on the throw as well .... More let-up? Me no think so.
But it was called, no doubt about it.
A lucky Packer break.
That RARELY happens.


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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 11:56:15 AM   
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Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.

I still get pissed at this whole "I'm a practicing Christian with all my tweets and statements and post game prayers."
All the while impregnating every female possible.
Something doesn't mesh, all you perfect people.
Being a Dad isn't the ability to make someone pregnant.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:02:54 PM   
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How'd you like to be Morninwheg, the OC of the Jets who ran in and called a timeout on the tying TD pass in GB??

Lucky to have a job after this.


According to the Packer players they heard the whistle and let up. Wouldn't have necessarily been a touchdown at least according to what the palyers themselves said.

Shocking that our resident Packer Backer saw it this way.
The receiver and DBack were battling. Receiver won.
Easy to say after .... Umm, yeah, wasn't trying.
Smith got clocked on the throw as well .... More let-up? Me no think so.
But it was called, no doubt about it.
A lucky Packer break.
That RARELY happens.




Never said I saw it that way. Just passing on what a couple of Packer players said. I guess you're just cranky cause you're forced to go watch the Twins play tonight.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:06:41 PM   
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Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.

I still get pissed at this whole "I'm a practicing Christian with all my tweets and statements and post game prayers."
All the while impregnating every female possible.
Something doesn't mesh, all you perfect people.
Being a Dad isn't the ability to make someone pregnant.


Bingo.

When are men going to assume some of the responsibility of avoiding an unwanted pregnancy rather than expecting the woman to be the one practicing birth control.

Adrian already had a child with a woman and didn't even know about the kid. The kid dies after getting a beating from the woman's boyfriend.

Wouldn't that have been a wake up call about the dangers of beating a kid?

And corporal punishment with the hand on a butt also called a spanking is a whole lot different than spanking with a weapon.

This is a bad situation but no one talks about why do these athletes have sex and not protect themselves.....

Use a condom. Don't leave it up to the woman.

All it does is bring more children into the world that end up suffering from having been born to stupid parents.

I don't know the details of this childs birth, whether or not Adrian and the boys mother were in a relationship, etc. But I do know the child in Sioux Falls that was beaten to death.....Adrian knew nothing of the child's existence. Meaning sex w/o protection.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:09:01 PM   
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Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.

I still get pissed at this whole "I'm a practicing Christian with all my tweets and statements and post game prayers."
All the while impregnating every female possible.
Something doesn't mesh, all you perfect people.
Being a Dad isn't the ability to make someone pregnant.


As a Christian, I would hardly say that Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell are men that I would look up to or look at as exemplifying Christianity.

While we are ALL far from perfect, don't hold those guys against us, guys.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:17:37 PM   
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Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.


Not in direct response to this, but kind of a funny story on this cross-cultural point. My brother went to a Minnesota liberal-arts school and had a class with a professor who was, shall we say, very attuned to multiculturalism and diversity and acceptance. This professor went on a rant about corporal punishment -- how barbaric it was, how vicious, how utterly out of place it was in modern society. One of my brother's friends in the class -- a Filipino -- calmly asked her, "In my culture, it is an accepted social practice. Are you suggesting that your culture is somehow more enlightened and 'better' than mine is?" Another person from an ethnic minority chimed in to like effect. The professor was reduced to stammering and backtracking faster than an NFL CB, needless to say.
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:24:29 PM   
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Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.


Not in direct response to this, but kind of a funny story on this cross-cultural point. My brother went to a Minnesota liberal-arts school and had a class with a professor who was, shall we say, very attuned to multiculturalism and diversity and acceptance. This professor went on a rant about corporal punishment -- how barbaric it was, how vicious, how utterly out of place it was in modern society. One of my brother's friends in the class -- a Filipino -- calmly asked her, "In my culture, it is an accepted social practice. Are you suggesting that your culture is somehow more enlightened and 'better' than mine is?" Another person from an ethnic minority chimed in to like effect. The professor was reduced to stammering and backtracking faster than an NFL CB, needless to say.


If she felt strongly about this maybe she should have said yes. Is anything then acceptable if you say it is acceptable in my culture? Forced marriages of young girls? Beheadings? Genocide?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:27:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the end of the day, we need to break this mindset from that culture (and it doesn't just exist in the African American community). Besides, spanking a child is one thing. Using a switch to the point of cuts/possible scars on a 4-year old is quite another. While I don't have kids yet, I have 2 nephews a little younger than that. I can't imagine 1) anything they could possibly do to merit that, ever. 2) that doing that would change their behavior in the best way.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:44:36 PM   
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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.


You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?


Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."


I did note that, Pete, but I don't see how AD's situation leads to the NFL saying "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension." That is simply not AD's case. Here, there are far more than allegations: he admitted he did it and we've seen evidence of the injuries. That's a far cry from "allegations of corporal punishment."

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:45:28 PM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


Not sure I agree, Dave. At some point, the players' union is going to not put up with non-suspension suspensions without due process. I think the league's best player would be an impetus for that.


You can deactivate a player for four games with pay per league rules, I believe. NFLPA can bark if they don't like it, but they have no recourse; they are the idiots who signed the awful CBA.


What does deactivating accomplish? It doesn't cost Peterson any money.


All football players -- in particular AD -- live to play on Sundays. It's not all about the money.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 12:46:59 PM   
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Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.


Not in direct response to this, but kind of a funny story on this cross-cultural point. My brother went to a Minnesota liberal-arts school and had a class with a professor who was, shall we say, very attuned to multiculturalism and diversity and acceptance. This professor went on a rant about corporal punishment -- how barbaric it was, how vicious, how utterly out of place it was in modern society. One of my brother's friends in the class -- a Filipino -- calmly asked her, "In my culture, it is an accepted social practice. Are you suggesting that your culture is somehow more enlightened and 'better' than mine is?" Another person from an ethnic minority chimed in to like effect. The professor was reduced to stammering and backtracking faster than an NFL CB, needless to say.


If she felt strongly about this maybe she should have said yes. Is anything then acceptable if you say it is acceptable in my culture? Forced marriages of young girls? Beheadings? Genocide?


Agree. If you think something crossed the line, stand up for it, even if it means suggesting another culture is simply getting it wrong.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 1:03:45 PM   
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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.


You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?


Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."


I did note that, Pete, but I don't see how AD's situation leads to the NFL saying "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension." That is simply not AD's case. Here, there are far more than allegations: he admitted he did it and we've seen evidence of the injuries. That's a far cry from "allegations of corporal punishment."


I agree that this isn't AP's case, and I'm not in any way defending AP here, believe me. But isn't the point that, as an entity, the NFL can't just be concerned about "this case" when it's deciding on suspensions? (And good point: I shouldn't have said "allegations" of corporal punishment, I should have said "evidence.")

If the NFL decides this case merits immediate suspension before the criminal process plays out, don't they have to consider what their response will be in the next case where the evidence is, say, a 10-year-old with mild bruising, a couple welts, or one cut? Will they decide what injury merits immediate suspension and what injury is insufficient? Or will any corporal punishment deemed substantial enough to merit an indictment come with a suspension? Or will they simply wait to see how bad the public outcry is? I'm interested to see how they handle this.
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 1:04:47 PM   
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Someone explain to me the excuse by Peterson (and others) is that this is how punishment has been done in the black community for years. Has anyone heard anyone say that's not how it's done in our community? I'd like to hear Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton speak up about this and say it's not acceptable - especially with the history of whippings and beatings that have happened to blacks in the not too recent past. I guess I don't get it.


Not in direct response to this, but kind of a funny story on this cross-cultural point. My brother went to a Minnesota liberal-arts school and had a class with a professor who was, shall we say, very attuned to multiculturalism and diversity and acceptance. This professor went on a rant about corporal punishment -- how barbaric it was, how vicious, how utterly out of place it was in modern society. One of my brother's friends in the class -- a Filipino -- calmly asked her, "In my culture, it is an accepted social practice. Are you suggesting that your culture is somehow more enlightened and 'better' than mine is?" Another person from an ethnic minority chimed in to like effect. The professor was reduced to stammering and backtracking faster than an NFL CB, needless to say.


If she felt strongly about this maybe she should have said yes. Is anything then acceptable if you say it is acceptable in my culture? Forced marriages of young girls? Beheadings? Genocide?


Agree. If you think something crossed the line, stand up for it, even if it means suggesting another culture is simply getting it wrong.


Seems intellectually honest to me.
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 1:44:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Today’s decision was made after significant thought, discussion and consideration. As evidenced by our decision to deactivate Adrian from yesterday’s game, this is clearly a very important issue. On Friday, we felt it was in the best interests of the organization to step back, evaluate the situation, and not rush to judgment given the seriousness of this matter. At that time, we made the decision that we felt was best for the Vikings and all parties involved.

To be clear, we take very seriously any matter that involves the welfare of a child. At this time, however, we believe this is a matter of due process and we should allow the legal system to proceed so we can come to the most effective conclusions and then determine the appropriate course of action. This is a difficult path to navigate, and our focus is on doing the right thing. Currently we believe we are at a juncture where the most appropriate next step is to allow the judicial process to move forward.

We will continue to monitor the situation closely and support Adrian’s fulfillment of his legal responsibilities throughout this process.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 2:10:48 PM   
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Vikings running back Adrian Peterson released a statement Monday. Here it is:

My attorney has asked me not to discuss the facts of my pending case. I hope you can respect that request and help me honor it. I very much want the public to hear from me but I understand that it is not appropriate to talk about the facts in detail at this time. Nevertheless, I want everyone to understand how sorry I feel about the hurt I have brought to my child.

I never wanted to be a distraction to the Vikings organization, the Minnesota community or to my teammates. I never imagined being in a position where the world is judging my parenting skills or calling me a child abuser because of the discipline I administered to my son.

I voluntarily appeared before the grand jury several weeks ago to answer any and all questions they had. Before my grand jury appearance, I was interviewed by two different police agencies without an attorney. In each of these interviews I have said the same thing, and that is that I never ever intended to harm my son. I will say the same thing once I have my day in court.

I have to live with the fact that when I disciplined my son the way I was disciplined as a child, I caused an injury that I never intended or thought would happen. I know that many people disagree with the way I disciplined my child. I also understand after meeting with a psychologist that there are other alternative ways of disciplining a child that may be more appropriate.

I have learned a lot and have had to reevaluate how I discipline my son going forward. But deep in my heart I have always believed I could have been one of those kids that was lost in the streets without the discipline instilled in me by my parents and other relatives. I have always believed that the way my parents disciplined me has a great deal to do with the success I have enjoyed as a man. I love my son and I will continue to become a better parent and learn from any mistakes I ever make.

I am not a perfect son. I am not a perfect husband. I am not a perfect parent, but I am, without a doubt, not a child abuser. I am someone that disciplined his child and did not intend to cause him any injury. No one can understand the hurt that I feel for my son and for the harm I caused him. My goal is always to teach my son right from wrong and that’s what I tried to do that day.

I accept the fact that people feel very strongly about this issue and what they think about my conduct. Regardless of what others think, however, I love my son very much and I will continue to try to become a better father and person.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 2:14:18 PM   
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The fan is a moron. My favorite line is:

Zubaz pants. Flip-flops. Mardi Gras beads. I mean… I’d be offended even if she weren’t proudly advertising violence towards children.

I don't have a huge problem with what the Vikings did, because they are in a no-win situation with the players' union. In this situation, they probably have to let the NFL process play out.


They could have deactivated him for four games and the NFLPA wouldn't have had a thing to say about it.


Not sure I agree, Dave. At some point, the players' union is going to not put up with non-suspension suspensions without due process. I think the league's best player would be an impetus for that.


You can deactivate a player for four games with pay per league rules, I believe. NFLPA can bark if they don't like it, but they have no recourse; they are the idiots who signed the awful CBA.


What does deactivating accomplish? It doesn't cost Peterson any money.


All football players -- in particular AD -- live to play on Sundays. It's not all about the money.


They live to play on Sundays mostly because they get paid a shitload of money to do it.

AD is one of the highest paid. Missing one game check would be a substantial amount of money.

You think that has no effect on him? or would effect him as much as just not playing?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 2:26:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Spielman was getting hammered that press conference.

now way he was gonna calm the masses on this one, or even come close. some of the questioners were out for blood.

and

after spielman's part was over the 1st question zimmer got was:

what does this say to abuse victims in the world that adrian peterson gets to play this sunday?
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 2:41:25 PM   
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Spielman was getting hammered that press conference.

now way he was gonna calm the masses on this one, or even come close. some of the questioners were out for blood.

and

after spielman's part was over the 1st question zimmer got was:

what does this say to abuse victims in the world that adrian peterson gets to play this sunday?



Would love to see Gardenhire get that treatment.
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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 3:16:21 PM   
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Spielman was getting hammered that press conference.

now way he was gonna calm the masses on this one, or even come close. some of the questioners were out for blood.

and

after spielman's part was over the 1st question zimmer got was:

what does this say to abuse victims in the world that adrian peterson gets to play this sunday?


As Doogie is noting...one of the Wilfs should be answering questions. He believes they made the call.

Not suprised they aren't; not like they have proven themselves to have any sort of leadership skills.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 3:22:36 PM   
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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.


You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?


Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."



Since the trial is in Texas, where I believe teachers can still punish in schools, he might get off with a not guilty of abuse.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 3:30:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Pete M.

Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.


You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?


Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."


I did note that, Pete, but I don't see how AD's situation leads to the NFL saying "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension." That is simply not AD's case. Here, there are far more than allegations: he admitted he did it and we've seen evidence of the injuries. That's a far cry from "allegations of corporal punishment."


He admitted that he did it because that is the way they were raised. And we are finding out that it still an on going practice. Just because we wouldn't do that, are we to judge their culture?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 9/15/2014 3:32:38 PM   
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Spielman was getting hammered that press conference.

now way he was gonna calm the masses on this one, or even come close. some of the questioners were out for blood.

and

after spielman's part was over the 1st question zimmer got was:

what does this say to abuse victims in the world that adrian peterson gets to play this sunday?


As Doogie is noting...one of the Wilfs should be answering questions. He believes they made the call.

Not suprised they aren't; not like they have proven themselves to have any sort of leadership skills.

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Would love to see Gardenhire get that treatment.


Agreed w/all. The Wilfs don't WANT to be in this mess.

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