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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.

You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?

Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."

I did note that, Pete, but I don't see how AD's situation leads to the NFL saying "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension." That is simply not AD's case. Here, there are far more than allegations: he admitted he did it and we've seen evidence of the injuries. That's a far cry from "allegations of corporal punishment."

He admitted that he did it because that is the way they were raised. And we are finding out that it still an on going practice. Just because we wouldn't do that, are we to judge their culture?

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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.

You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?

Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."

I did note that, Pete, but I don't see how AD's situation leads to the NFL saying "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension." That is simply not AD's case. Here, there are far more than allegations: he admitted he did it and we've seen evidence of the injuries. That's a far cry from "allegations of corporal punishment."

He admitted that he did it because that is the way they were raised. And we are finding out that it still an on going practice. Just because we wouldn't do that, are we to judge their culture?

Hitting a child repeatedly producing the level of bruising that was in the pictures as well as breaking the skin......yes, we can judge their culture. They are wrong.

This is not saying no to corporal punishment. A spanking with an open hand on a kid's butt is a far cry from hitting a kid until bruises are clearly visible and skin has been broken.

That may have been how Adrian was raised but that doesn't mean it is right to continue the practice.

If they do that in the south, they are wrong.

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I agree that this isn't AP's case, and I'm not in any way defending AP here, believe me. But isn't the point that, as an entity, the NFL can't just be concerned about "this case" when it's deciding on suspensions? (And good point: I shouldn't have said "allegations" of corporal punishment, I should have said "evidence.")

If the NFL decides this case merits immediate suspension before the criminal process plays out, don't they have to consider what their response will be in the next case where the evidence is, say, a 10-year-old with mild bruising, a couple welts, or one cut? Will they decide what injury merits immediate suspension and what injury is insufficient? Or will any corporal punishment deemed substantial enough to merit an indictment come with a suspension? Or will they simply wait to see how bad the public outcry is? I'm interested to see how they handle this.

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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.

You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?

Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."

I did note that, Pete, but I don't see how AD's situation leads to the NFL saying "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension." That is simply not AD's case. Here, there are far more than allegations: he admitted he did it and we've seen evidence of the injuries. That's a far cry from "allegations of corporal punishment."

He admitted that he did it because that is the way they were raised. And we are finding out that it still an on going practice. Just because we wouldn't do that, are we to judge their culture?

Hitting a child repeatedly producing the level of bruising that was in the pictures as well as breaking the skin......yes, we can judge their culture. They are wrong.

This is not saying no to corporal punishment. A spanking with an open hand on a kid's butt is a far cry from hitting a kid until bruises are clearly visible and skin has been broken.

That may have been how Adrian was raised but that doesn't mean it is right to continue the practice.

If they do that in the south, they are wrong.

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@donnelly612
Mike Priefer did not appear at the Vikings press conference. Also not appearing: Onterrio Smith, Fred Smoot, Lance Rentzel (look it up).

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Very interesting to see what the NFL does on this front. The pictures and admissions are impossible to ignore, especially after the Ray Rice fiasco -- so they'll have to drop the boom in at least some way.

But, they also probably recognize that if the precedent set is, "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension," they might as well get ready to suspend two-thirds or more of NFL players.

You think two thirds of NFL players have beaten their children to the point that a doctor's mandatory reporting requirements were triggered -- a week after the abuse?

Honestly, Dave, I don't know, but I know this is a systemic issue way deeper than AP. (Look, e.g., at all the tweets from NFL players supporting him.)

But note from my post that I referred to "corporal punishment," which would include any form of spanking or physical punishment. The legal standard set under every state's law is whether the corporal punishment was "reasonable."

My point is, if the NFL jumps in to peremptorily suspend AP (and not expressing any opinion on whether they should or shouldn't), it seems to me they'll need some kind of policy for distinguishing between, "Let's wait and see whether a jury said this was reasonable or not," and "Let's not wait and see, let's suspend immediately."

I did note that, Pete, but I don't see how AD's situation leads to the NFL saying "allegations of corporal punishment = NFL suspension." That is simply not AD's case. Here, there are far more than allegations: he admitted he did it and we've seen evidence of the injuries. That's a far cry from "allegations of corporal punishment."

He admitted that he did it because that is the way they were raised. And we are finding out that it still an on going practice. Just because we wouldn't do that, are we to judge their culture?

Hitting a child repeatedly producing the level of bruising that was in the pictures as well as breaking the skin......yes, we can judge their culture. They are wrong.

This is not saying no to corporal punishment. A spanking with an open hand on a kid's butt is a far cry from hitting a kid until bruises are clearly visible and skin has been broken.

That may have been how Adrian was raised but that doesn't mean it is right to continue the practice.

If they do that in the south, they are wrong.

Not saying it's right, but I bet he didn't plan on it being that bad either. Marks like those show up a while later. I've been through it myself from my dad.

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Mike Priefer did not appear at the Vikings press conference. Also not appearing: Onterrio Smith, Fred Smoot, Lance Rentzel (look it up).

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what got Lance in trouble?

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As noted in many places, the Vikings are clearly saying that AD can play because he is good. They had no problem cutting Jefferson or telling Cook to stay away. Pathetic to claim the reasoning is "due process" when it is so obviously a lie.