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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:03:45 PM

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An offensive guy runs on the field while the D in on to bitch = 15 yarder

A guy runs on the field without a helmet = 15 yarder

An offensive guy runs on to the field, with his helmet off, while the D is to bitch = no call

Will anyone in the media have the balls to demand explanations? Just a mockery.

Of course not.
Just more stupid excuses.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:09:11 PM

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Morelli heads up an "all-star" crew that completely blows it.

Morelli has had at least 2 post-season eff ups. How about the NFC championship where N.O. Got to beat the crap outta Favre with no penalties?

Guess who was the ref standing there afraid to pull out a flag on the home team in front of a raucous crowd?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:12:33 PM

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An offensive guy runs on the field while the D in on to bitch = 15 yarder

A guy runs on the field without a helmet = 15 yarder

An offensive guy runs on to the field, with his helmet off, while the D is to bitch = no call

Will anyone in the media have the balls to demand explanations? Just a mockery.

Of course not.
Just more stupid excuses.

Agree, I'm an asshat for even asking that dumb ass question. I'm so close to saying "f-it" but I love the team so much

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:12:52 PM

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Wow. NEVER heard of that before.

of course, BLANDINO was on the Dallas Party bus in August too.

Wow. what a coincidence.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:13:48 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

An offensive guy runs on the field while the D in on to bitch = 15 yarder

A guy runs on the field without a helmet = 15 yarder

An offensive guy runs on to the field, with his helmet off, while the D is to bitch = no call

Will anyone in the media have the balls to demand explanations? Just a mockery.

Of course not.
Just more stupid excuses.

Get a load of this

As for Bryant's action, Blandino confirmed that the officials have "discretion" in those cases; Bryant being without a helmet was a non-factor since he was not involved in the play. Morelli did not address the lack of a call on Bryant during his interview Sunday night.

"It's not an automatic penalty," Blandino said. "The helmet removal only applies to a player who is in the game and takes his helmet off to confront an official or opponent or some kind of demonstration. They have discretion. Is he confronting me? Is he confronting an opponent?

"Certainly, I would have supported a call had it been made, but in the heat of the moment, they gave the sideline some leeway."

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:17:55 PM

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Well .... Im gonna expect "discretion" from now on then, right? (when our idiot does it)

Rigggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggght.

Do they just think we are morons?

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:19:24 PM

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Don't answer that ..........

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 9:53:56 PM

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WWF/NFL ..... same thing ......

It has really become blatant. And it is present in all aspects of professional sports. Teams that will generate the highest TV ratings are the recipients of favoritism in calls.

The NBA must be freakin out right now with its top teams right now......Cleveland isn't where so many thought they would be....no Lakers, No Boston but instead, teams like Memphis are pretty good or Atlanta.

To throw a flag and then to pick it up and dismiss the initial call would have been in the past, an action consistent with throwing a game because of gambling.

These days, it isn't the gambling money driving calls......it is TV ratings.

Very true Miles. Good post.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 10:00:48 PM

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An offensive guy runs on the field while the D in on to bitch = 15 yarder

A guy runs on the field without a helmet = 15 yarder

An offensive guy runs on to the field, with his helmet off, while the D is to bitch = no call

Will anyone in the media have the balls to demand explanations? Just a mockery.

The entire officiating crew should not only be reprimanded by the league but also fired. That is equivalent to a police officer witnessing an armed robbery and instead of stopping and intervening, simply watching and driving by.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/5/2015 10:05:07 PM

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And yet I get laughed at every time I suggest that the NFL hire full-time officials instead of weekend warriors.

Like the league cant afford it or something.
Pay a bunch of frustrated jocks who don't want to quit $60 grand a year and make them make it their job. Their ONLY job.
Its really not that silly of an idea.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 10:15:34 AM

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And yet I get laughed at every time I suggest that the NFL hire full-time officials instead of weekend warriors.

Like the league cant afford it or something.
Pay a bunch of frustrated jocks who don't want to quit $60 grand a year and make them make it their job. Their ONLY job.
Its really not that silly of an idea.

BINGO......a multi billion dollar industry where key on field decisions affecting teams financial fortunes are made by part timers.

The game is so fast, it requires refs with similar reflexes as the players.

They could easily pay these guys over $100K per year to be full time and expenses covered. They should start reviewing film on Wed through the end of the week. Included in that a very physical regimen to insure the refs are in tip top shape. And constantly review the rules.

And here is idea, if they constantly review the rules, find those that have significant ambiguities and ask the rules committee for clarification and modification.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 10:20:54 AM

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I could go either way on it, though I think most of these guys do make close to $100K for "part-time" work. At least the best ones do.

I don't have a huge problem with the part-time element because most of these guys are highly successful in their own fields; doctors, lawyers, superintendents, etc. Aren't those the type of guys we want in those positions? I think it may be. I also think these guys do a pretty damn good job overall. We have to remember that we have ridiculous HD tv's, TiVO, etc. now all the time. Our job is a lot easier than theirs. We saw that when we had replacement refs for a few games. So I don't think it's a big problem overall. I think these guys know the rules extremely well and not sure what they would actually do for 40 hours/week.

The two things I would change:

1) Don't mash crews together for the playoffs. That was the problem here. Simply bring the best, intact crews along for the playoffs. Continuity.
2) For reviews, have all reviews, for all games, determined by a single source in the league office in NY. Again, consistency and continuity. I'd so the same for all sports reviews really.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 10:26:37 AM

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Spend a little money. Goal line cameras at every game. Stop the angle crap, just have one at each goal line.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 10:27:49 AM

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Spend a little money. Goal line cameras at every game. Stop the angle crap, just have one at each goal line.

Bingo here too. That always made no sense to me. Pretty easy fix.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 10:47:46 AM

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I could go either way on it, though I think most of these guys do make close to $100K for "part-time" work. At least the best ones do.

I don't have a huge problem with the part-time element because most of these guys are highly successful in their own fields; doctors, lawyers, superintendents, etc. Aren't those the type of guys we want in those positions? I think it may be. I also think these guys do a pretty damn good job overall. We have to remember that we have ridiculous HD tv's, TiVO, etc. now all the time. Our job is a lot easier than theirs. We saw that when we had replacement refs for a few games. So I don't think it's a big problem overall. I think these guys know the rules extremely well and not sure what they would actually do for 40 hours/week.

The two things I would change:

1) Don't mash crews together for the playoffs. That was the problem here. Simply bring the best, intact crews along for the playoffs. Continuity.
2) For reviews, have all reviews, for all games, determined by a single source in the league office in NY. Again, consistency and continuity. I'd so the same for all sports reviews really.

Why does a doctor or lawyer make for a better official? Because they went to school longer? Because they make more money outside of football?

The problem with the replacement refs were lack of training/experience.

Why not full-time refs? The actually games from preseason to Super Bowl is a full 6 months. Give them a couple months off after the SB, but then send them to inter-team scrimmages and have them rotate through training camps to "get in game shape", but also to learn the teams and their plays more. During the offseason make them study the rules and test them on them - both on paper and in simulations.

And make them earn their jobs each year. Too many negative reviews by their bosses and suspensions/terminations can occur.

And keep crews together week-in and week-out. And reward postseason games to the crews that performed the best during the year - not the ones with the most seniority.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 10:51:43 AM

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Like I said, not a big deal to me either way. I don't see major issues in officiating I guess in the NFL. I'm just saying that most of these guys are very smart, accomplished guys who have a very firm grasp of the rules. Those are the guys we want in bigger roles IMO.

I can see the argument the other way too though; full-time and simulations, etc. I just don't know how much of that would legitimately help. And keep in mind that there would certainly be a lag for a few years because many of these best guys would quit if they were forced to do it full-time.

I do agree that they should have to earn their jobs each year by way of reviews. The umpire/ref unions have become as strong as teachers' unions in many ways in that light. Totally agree on postseason crews as well.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 10:55:20 AM

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I could go either way on it, though I think most of these guys do make close to $100K for "part-time" work. At least the best ones do.

I don't have a huge problem with the part-time element because most of these guys are highly successful in their own fields; doctors, lawyers, superintendents, etc. Aren't those the type of guys we want in those positions? I think it may be. I also think these guys do a pretty damn good job overall. We have to remember that we have ridiculous HD tv's, TiVO, etc. now all the time. Our job is a lot easier than theirs. We saw that when we had replacement refs for a few games. So I don't think it's a big problem overall. I think these guys know the rules extremely well and not sure what they would actually do for 40 hours/week.

The two things I would change:

1) Don't mash crews together for the playoffs. That was the problem here. Simply bring the best, intact crews along for the playoffs. Continuity.
2) For reviews, have all reviews, for all games, determined by a single source in the league office in NY. Again, consistency and continuity. I'd so the same for all sports reviews really.

Why does a doctor or lawyer make for a better official? Because they went to school longer? Because they make more money outside of football?

The problem with the replacement refs were lack of training/experience.

Why not full-time refs? The actually games from preseason to Super Bowl is a full 6 months. Give them a couple months off after the SB, but then send them to inter-team scrimmages and have them rotate through training camps to "get in game shape", but also to learn the teams and their plays more. During the offseason make them study the rules and test them on them - both on paper and in simulations.

And make them earn their jobs each year. Too many negative reviews by their bosses and suspensions/terminations can occur.

And keep crews together week-in and week-out. And reward postseason games to the crews that performed the best during the year - not the ones with the most seniority.

The theory may be that they are already independently wealthy, so less susceptible to bribing.

I don't buy that though. The more money you have, it's possibly more likely you'll take a bribe. Gotta keep up with the Joneses.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 2:35:03 PM

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i dont normally interfere with you guys and gals posting here, but i will say this:

The referee system is broken.

On one hand you have part timers deciding games on arbitrary and subjective opinions of plays, on the other you would have "professional referees" bought and paid for by the NFL, doing the same.

Neither is ideal, because I already see people complaining about "sway" and the commissioner "getting the playoff matchups he wants for tv" as complaints about the NFL, particularly referees, being involved in the outcome of games.

The NFL and the NFLPA need to work out a system of impartial and incorruptible officiating crews that includes peer review, background checking, constant training and film study to improve their craft.

Big money and big influence is in play every NFL weekend, and it has an insidious effect on everything about the game from players stats and incentives to coaches careers and the bottom lines of every type of legal or not, gambling in the world.

I can't imagine a lot of bookies were happy with the Dallas/Detroit outcome because of the total change in spread and outcome that occurred.

the problem is that certain penalty circumstances, as written by the rules , occur on EVERY PLAY.

Holding, offensive and defensive.
Block in the back
Blocking below the knees
Pass Interference, offensive and defensive.

I'm sure i could find more that occur every play if i actually tried and knew all the rules, but those stand out to me as glaring.

It needs to be fixed, and it needs to be fixed in a way that maintains integrity of the game by getting all calls, including penalty calls, right.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/6/2015 4:04:42 PM

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Typical NFL response. Feel the heat, dodge the real issue, and then come up with an apology that doesn't address the more glaring issue:

The NFL admitted to the Detroit Lions on Tuesday that officials missed a blatant hold on Ndamukong Suh on a crucial fourth-down conversion from Tony Romo to Jason Witten with six minutes left in Sunday's wild-card game.

The conversion happened after the disputed Brandon Pettigrew play and before the Cowboys' go-ahead touchdown.

Had holding been called, it would have put the Cowboys in a fourth-and-16 hole on Detroit's side of the field. Dallas likely would have punted and Detroit still would have had the lead.

NFL head of officials Dean Blandino said Monday that the non-call on pass interference against Pettigrew by Cowboys linebacker Anthony Hitchens was debatable, but holding definitely should have been called on the later play.

Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford wore a microphone for Sunday's game, and the audio will air Tuesday night on "Inside the NFL" on Showtime.

"Can we explain that or no?" Stafford reportedly said after the officials picked up the penalty flag on the Pettigrew incompletion. "Just flat-out overturning a pass interference call?"

Stafford later could be heard yelling, "Hooome cookin!"

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/7/2015 10:38:10 AM

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Typical NFL response. Feel the heat, dodge the real issue, and then come up with an apology that doesn't address the more glaring issue:

The NFL admitted to the Detroit Lions on Tuesday that officials missed a blatant hold on Ndamukong Suh on a crucial fourth-down conversion from Tony Romo to Jason Witten with six minutes left in Sunday's wild-card game.

The conversion happened after the disputed Brandon Pettigrew play and before the Cowboys' go-ahead touchdown.

Had holding been called, it would have put the Cowboys in a fourth-and-16 hole on Detroit's side of the field. Dallas likely would have punted and Detroit still would have had the lead.

NFL head of officials Dean Blandino said Monday that the non-call on pass interference against Pettigrew by Cowboys linebacker Anthony Hitchens was debatable, but holding definitely should have been called on the later play.

Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford wore a microphone for Sunday's game, and the audio will air Tuesday night on "Inside the NFL" on Showtime.

"Can we explain that or no?" Stafford reportedly said after the officials picked up the penalty flag on the Pettigrew incompletion. "Just flat-out overturning a pass interference call?"

Stafford later could be heard yelling, "Hooome cookin!"

Blatant holding penalties are missed mutliple times in every NFL game - I don't understand why they felt the need to point this one out when they were already taking tons of heat over the non-pass interference call.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/7/2015 11:05:45 AM

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Typical NFL response. Feel the heat, dodge the real issue, and then come up with an apology that doesn't address the more glaring issue:

The NFL admitted to the Detroit Lions on Tuesday that officials missed a blatant hold on Ndamukong Suh on a crucial fourth-down conversion from Tony Romo to Jason Witten with six minutes left in Sunday's wild-card game.

The conversion happened after the disputed Brandon Pettigrew play and before the Cowboys' go-ahead touchdown.

Had holding been called, it would have put the Cowboys in a fourth-and-16 hole on Detroit's side of the field. Dallas likely would have punted and Detroit still would have had the lead.

NFL head of officials Dean Blandino said Monday that the non-call on pass interference against Pettigrew by Cowboys linebacker Anthony Hitchens was debatable, but holding definitely should have been called on the later play.

Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford wore a microphone for Sunday's game, and the audio will air Tuesday night on "Inside the NFL" on Showtime.

"Can we explain that or no?" Stafford reportedly said after the officials picked up the penalty flag on the Pettigrew incompletion. "Just flat-out overturning a pass interference call?"

Stafford later could be heard yelling, "Hooome cookin!"

Blatant holding penalties are missed mutliple times in every NFL game - I don't understand why they felt the need to point this one out when they were already taking tons of heat over the non-pass interference call.

Because they're the NFL.

They're like physicians. Rarely will they admit to making a mistake.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/7/2015 11:25:50 AM

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I know the number of Packer fans on this forum is rather low....but I grew up following the Packers until 1968 when I switched to the Vikings.

Read all the books I could on Bart Starr, Jerry Kramer, etc.

Here is a good article on the ice bowl when the Pack beat the Cowboys for the NFL championship.

http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_27273583/ice-bowl-green-bays-memories-1967-classic-are

The interview with Bart Starr at the end is interesting and the interviewer is rather pleasant to look at.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/7/2015 11:39:35 AM

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Great stuff people
Without the usual screaming and name-calling of another ahem thread.

The NFL just looks stupid .... Again.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/7/2015 1:12:47 PM

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Final, definitive proof that the people who run Da Raiders are Knucking Futs.
Looking at Shanahan, Rexy, or Trestman.
Are
You
Serious
I was a proud Raider lover in the glory days. They've been more embarassing than the TWolves the last decade however.
Hard to believe you can screw up the good thing they had going there.
Great fan base
Great location
Great legacy
That they've basically erased frm memory. Idiots. And now they're gonna make it even worse.

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RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans - 1/7/2015 1:19:48 PM

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Final, definitive proof that the people who run Da Raiders are Knucking Futs.
Looking at Shanahan, Rexy, or Trestman.
Are
You
Serious
I was a proud Raider lover in the glory days. They've been more embarassing than the TWolves the last decade however.
Hard to believe you can screw up the good thing they had going there.
Great fan base
Great location
Great legacy
That they've basically erased frm memory. Idiots. And now they're gonna make it even worse.

Whomever has the final say has no idea what kind of team he/she wants. They are a joke. Should keep the guy they had, at least they played hard for him.

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