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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 6:45:22 PM

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Bryant is good but there is no prospect in the minors I'd trade Buxton for.

He is at the head of the class.

Again, it's not really close according to most. The tools are off the charts (Mike Trout-esque, who is by far the best player in the game) and he plays a premium position. No other prospect can compete with that. For instance, Kris Bryant may be #2, but he's a lot close to Miguel Sano than he is close to Buxton. IMO. The difference is that great.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 6:47:50 PM

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Love ya Skilz, but I wish you'd pump the Buxton brakes just a tad.
Simply can't be as easy as you're making it sound.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 6:51:02 PM

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Bryant is good but there is no prospect in the minors I'd trade Buxton for.

He is at the head of the class.

Oscar Taveras has been a huge bust so far.

He won't be for long.

He's got it.

Two years from now he will be a premium bat.

Even Trout took awhile to adjust to the talent level his first taste of the bigs.

Came back he next season and took off.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:01:34 PM

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Yep. It's amazing organizations that, you know, show patience with their young players and actually play them through slumps, etc. Twins have royally f'ed up with all of Pinto/Hicks/Arcia.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:07:16 PM

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And Hicks sucks BTW.

Nope. He's excelling at AA.

He's destined to re-try AAA.

Hopefully the bigs when management has changed.

That's the hope we should have for that kid.

Big difference between AA and ML baseball. Arcia is struggling mightily and he was pounding AAA pitching. Some players cannot make the leap.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:07:24 PM

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Yep. It's amazing organizations that, you know, show patience with their young players and actually play them through slumps, etc. Twins have royally f'ed up with all of Pinto/Hicks/Arcia.

Cannot agree more
All the while force feeding us a guy who had no business in the majors.
That's all Gardys doing, btw. Anyone who thought Florimon had it .... Should not be managing a MLB team IMO.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:11:56 PM

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And Hicks sucks BTW.

Nope. He's excelling at AA.

He's destined to re-try AAA.

Hopefully the bigs when management has changed.

That's the hope we should have for that kid.

Big difference between AA and ML baseball. Arcia is struggling mightily and he was pounding AAA pitching. Some players cannot make the leap.

He's 22, Mark. Your impatience is unreal. You ARE Gardy.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:13:39 PM

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And Hicks sucks BTW.

Nope. He's excelling at AA.

He's destined to re-try AAA.

Hopefully the bigs when management has changed.

That's the hope we should have for that kid.

This
Why quit on someone with tools?

Hicks is missing the most important tool-a brain.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:15:02 PM

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Ewen, if you don't fully believe in a guy like Buxton, then we really can't have a meaningful discussion on prospects. He's the best prospect in the sport and the best prospect many (including myself) have ever seen. Yes, only about 10% of minor leaguers pan out. But a much larger percentage of "top 50" prospects that are at middle to higher levels pan out. Much higher. Not all of these guys will pan out of course. But many of them will. And again, this is by far the best group of prospects the Twins have ever had. It's not even close really. And it's not some conspiracy theory from MLB talent evaluators that they're ranked that high. They're ranked that high for a reason.

Kris Bryant is actually baseball's #1 prospect now. But that's splitting hairs. Buxton is #2. Let's hope he doesn't fall any further.

$5 will get you $20 that Buxton doesn't pan out. Easy call.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:16:12 PM

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Bryant is good but there is no prospect in the minors I'd trade Buxton for.

He is at the head of the class.

Again, it's not really close according to most. The tools are off the charts (Mike Trout-esque, who is by far the best player in the game) and he plays a premium position. No other prospect can compete with that. For instance, Kris Bryant may be #2, but he's a lot close to Miguel Sano than he is close to Buxton. IMO. The difference is that great.

I thought Joe Mauer was the best player on the planet?

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:16:24 PM

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And Hicks sucks BTW.

Nope. He's excelling at AA.

He's destined to re-try AAA.

Hopefully the bigs when management has changed.

That's the hope we should have for that kid.

This
Why quit on someone with tools?

Hicks is missing the most important tool-a brain.

Ya, because that's supported by facts.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:17:05 PM

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Bryant is good but there is no prospect in the minors I'd trade Buxton for.

He is at the head of the class.

Again, it's not really close according to most. The tools are off the charts (Mike Trout-esque, who is by far the best player in the game) and he plays a premium position. No other prospect can compete with that. For instance, Kris Bryant may be #2, but he's a lot close to Miguel Sano than he is close to Buxton. IMO. The difference is that great.

I thought Joe Mauer was the best player on the planet?

At one point he absolute was. 2009.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:17:50 PM

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Ewen, if you don't fully believe in a guy like Buxton, then we really can't have a meaningful discussion on prospects. He's the best prospect in the sport and the best prospect many (including myself) have ever seen. Yes, only about 10% of minor leaguers pan out. But a much larger percentage of "top 50" prospects that are at middle to higher levels pan out. Much higher. Not all of these guys will pan out of course. But many of them will. And again, this is by far the best group of prospects the Twins have ever had. It's not even close really. And it's not some conspiracy theory from MLB talent evaluators that they're ranked that high. They're ranked that high for a reason.

Kris Bryant is actually baseball's #1 prospect now. But that's splitting hairs. Buxton is #2. Let's hope he doesn't fall any further.

$5 will get you $20 that Buxton doesn't pan out. Easy call.

What shall we bet, Mark, and what is your threshold for not "panning out"? I'll be you Buxton makes at least a couple of All Star games in his career. That's his absolute floor IMO.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:18:03 PM

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And Hicks sucks BTW.

Nope. He's excelling at AA.

He's destined to re-try AAA.

Hopefully the bigs when management has changed.

That's the hope we should have for that kid.

Big difference between AA and ML baseball. Arcia is struggling mightily and he was pounding AAA pitching. Some players cannot make the leap.

He's 22, Mark. Your impatience is unreal. You ARE Gardy.

22,32,42 makes no difference. Hicks is stupid. You can't fix stupid.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:19:36 PM

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Ewen, if you don't fully believe in a guy like Buxton, then we really can't have a meaningful discussion on prospects. He's the best prospect in the sport and the best prospect many (including myself) have ever seen. Yes, only about 10% of minor leaguers pan out. But a much larger percentage of "top 50" prospects that are at middle to higher levels pan out. Much higher. Not all of these guys will pan out of course. But many of them will. And again, this is by far the best group of prospects the Twins have ever had. It's not even close really. And it's not some conspiracy theory from MLB talent evaluators that they're ranked that high. They're ranked that high for a reason.

Kris Bryant is actually baseball's #1 prospect now. But that's splitting hairs. Buxton is #2. Let's hope he doesn't fall any further.

$5 will get you $20 that Buxton doesn't pan out. Easy call.

What shall we bet, Mark, and what is your threshold for not "panning out"? I'll be you Buxton makes at least a couple of All Star games in his career. That's his absolute floor IMO.

I would feel guilty making that bet. I don't want to get arrested for stealing.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:22:03 PM

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One thing that you have to realize Dustin is the environment these players are exposed to within the Twins system. It is not healthy except maybe now at FM where Dougie Baseball is the manager. The Twins suppress talent at all levels. They do not get the most out of their players. If you don't realize this you have not been paying attention for the past ten years.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:24:35 PM

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Hicks will be 25 in October:
http://pitchfx.texasleaguers.com/charts/gen/4080452014033120140729AAAAAspray-chart.png

If that is a fact....am I lying?

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:24:57 PM

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And Hicks sucks BTW.

Nope. He's excelling at AA.

He's destined to re-try AAA.

Hopefully the bigs when management has changed.

That's the hope we should have for that kid.

Big difference between AA and ML baseball. Arcia is struggling mightily and he was pounding AAA pitching. Some players cannot make the leap.

He's 22, Mark. Your impatience is unreal. You ARE Gardy.

I may be impatient Dustin but the Gardy name-calling is simply wrong. That is like being told you are a POS. But then again, I would rather be Gardy stupid than Hicks stupid.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:25:32 PM

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One thing that you have to realize Dustin is the environment these players are exposed to within the Twins system. It is not healthy except maybe now at FM where Dougie Baseball is the manager. The Twins suppress talent at all levels. They do not get the most out of their players. If you don't realize this you have not been paying attention for the past ten years.

I have hope Buxton will be as good as Torii Hunter

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:25:52 PM

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Willingham with the dinger.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:26:14 PM

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Willingham with the dinger.

ooops, wrong thread.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:26:58 PM

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One thing that you have to realize Dustin is the environment these players are exposed to within the Twins system. It is not healthy except maybe now at FM where Dougie Baseball is the manager. The Twins suppress talent at all levels. They do not get the most out of their players. If you don't realize this you have not been paying attention for the past ten years.

I have hope Buxton will be as good as Torii Hunter

I am tired of hope in this organization. Show me.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:28:10 PM

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Ewen, if you don't fully believe in a guy like Buxton, then we really can't have a meaningful discussion on prospects. He's the best prospect in the sport and the best prospect many (including myself) have ever seen. Yes, only about 10% of minor leaguers pan out. But a much larger percentage of "top 50" prospects that are at middle to higher levels pan out. Much higher. Not all of these guys will pan out of course. But many of them will. And again, this is by far the best group of prospects the Twins have ever had. It's not even close really. And it's not some conspiracy theory from MLB talent evaluators that they're ranked that high. They're ranked that high for a reason.

Kris Bryant is actually baseball's #1 prospect now. But that's splitting hairs. Buxton is #2. Let's hope he doesn't fall any further.

$5 will get you $20 that Buxton doesn't pan out. Easy call.

What shall we bet, Mark, and what is your threshold for not "panning out"? I'll be you Buxton makes at least a couple of All Star games in his career. That's his absolute floor IMO.

I would feel guilty making that bet. I don't want to get arrested for stealing.

I'm not worried. Let's bet.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:29:17 PM

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And Hicks sucks BTW.

Nope. He's excelling at AA.

He's destined to re-try AAA.

Hopefully the bigs when management has changed.

That's the hope we should have for that kid.

Big difference between AA and ML baseball. Arcia is struggling mightily and he was pounding AAA pitching. Some players cannot make the leap.

He's 22, Mark. Your impatience is unreal. You ARE Gardy.

I may be impatient Dustin but the Gardy name-calling is simply wrong. That is like being told you are a POS. But then again, I would rather be Gardy stupid than Hicks stupid.

I am just telling it like it is. You feel EXACTLY the same way about this young guys as Gardy does. You would have the same development model.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 7/30/2014 7:33:58 PM

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Ewen, if you don't fully believe in a guy like Buxton, then we really can't have a meaningful discussion on prospects. He's the best prospect in the sport and the best prospect many (including myself) have ever seen. Yes, only about 10% of minor leaguers pan out. But a much larger percentage of "top 50" prospects that are at middle to higher levels pan out. Much higher. Not all of these guys will pan out of course. But many of them will. And again, this is by far the best group of prospects the Twins have ever had. It's not even close really. And it's not some conspiracy theory from MLB talent evaluators that they're ranked that high. They're ranked that high for a reason.

I'm not saying he is not going to make it. I'm just not ready to say he is a superstar until he actually produces at this level. That's all.

And the stat about first rounders was 66% play a game in the majors. Not even saying "pan out"
This is the historical data. I did not make up these numbers. I researched it.

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