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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 8:40:20 AM

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Hicks is on the Tori Hunter plane.....he'll be 25-26 before he gets it and he will be up for good and play for over 10 years. The kid couldn't hit a 70 mph changeup at the end of May from either side of the plate and then gave up switch hitting/began switch hitting again. The best thing they could do was send him to NB because he was even struggling at Rochester.

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Hicks with a double and HR tonight. 3 for 4. Probably pissed off about Vargas. There is NO reason for Hicks to be at NB other than ridiculous organizational spite. He is way too good for that level.

I see Rosario out tonight. Hmm.

He never even saw Rochester this year. He saw a whopping 72 ab's there in 2013. He dominated AA in 2012 as a 22 year old and is dominating it again this year (.844 OPS, .876 OPS, respectively, from CF). He has no reason being there other than Twins' spite. He should be at Rochester or (more likely) the majors. He's the only true CF that is major league ready right now unless you want to count Eddie Rosario. Santana is a SS, period.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 8:42:29 AM

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In the majors, on a horrendous team, he's been given 400 ab's total as a top prospect guy. That's basically 2/3 of a season. And yet the Twins/others are basically writing him off. That's insane. The kid has immense talent at a premium position and is 24 years old.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 8:56:23 AM

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We have gone is this circle before....the kid struggled mightily at the big leagues earlier...the Twins gave him the spot by letting all the backups that could compete with him go this year and trading away Span and Revere the year before. What more could they do to annoit him CF? He isn't ready to hit major league pitching yet and won't for a year or two (like I said he is on the Tori Hunter/Carlos Gomez plane)...

I agree with Sweens, he hit a HR last night and hopefully his confidence will be up and they can move him to AAA and maybe get a callup. The kid at least hit 8 HR last year but the power and everything was in the shitter this year. He'll be back---he needs time and not at the Major League level yet as he isn't ready. I am guessing he will be a September callup and won't look back.

I still think they should have platooned him against lefties this year...

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In the majors, on a horrendous team, he's been given 400 ab's total as a top prospect guy. That's basically 2/3 of a season. And yet the Twins/others are basically writing him off. That's insane. The kid has immense talent at a premium position and is 24 years old.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 9:34:22 AM

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I would just like to see him get a month's worth of confidence at AAA under his belt before he comes back here and gets Gardied.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 9:44:45 AM

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I would just like to see him get a month's worth of confidence at AAA under his belt before he comes back here and gets Gardied.

This is a good point.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 9:54:41 AM

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I'm not thrilled with it, but I could get on board with that plan Sweens. Especially if there's a legitimate shot that Gardy is finally fired after this season.

But he has no business being at AA. He's too good for that league.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 9:55:59 AM

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In the majors, on a horrendous team, he's been given 400 ab's total as a top prospect guy. That's basically 2/3 of a season. And yet the Twins/others are basically writing him off. That's insane. The kid has immense talent at a premium position and is 24 years old.

But in all fairness Dustin, Hicks has shown to have a bad attitude, not want to put in the extra time, and generally be stupid. Those are three strikes against him right off the bat. (no pun intended)

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 9:58:58 AM

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In the majors, on a horrendous team, he's been given 400 ab's total as a top prospect guy. That's basically 2/3 of a season. And yet the Twins/others are basically writing him off. That's insane. The kid has immense talent at a premium position and is 24 years old.

But in all fairness Dustin, Hicks has shown to have a bad attitude, not want to put in the extra time, and generally be stupid. Those are three strikes against him right off the bat. (no pun intended)

OK Gardy.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:32:27 AM

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Hudson Boyd, a high draft pick in 2011 who hasn't risen above Low A ball and has been relegated to relief work in Cedar Rapids, was suspended indefinitely for unspecified violation of team rules. The Twins had four picks by the end of the second round of that draft: Levi Michael, Boyd, Travis Harrison and Madison Boer.
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Hudson Boyd, a 2011 Bishop Verot High School graduate and the 55th overall pick in that year's draft, has been suspended indefinitely by the Minnesota Twins.

Boyd, 21, is a relief pitcher this season for the Cedar Rapids (Iowa) Kernels, the low Class A affiliate of the Twins. He violated a team rule during his team's most recent road trip, said Twins director of minor leagues Brad Steil, who declined to disclose the violation.

"We're just going to handle this internally," Steil said.

Asked how confident he was that Boyd could turn things around and get back into good standing, Steil said: "I think that's up to him. We want to see him follow the rules going forward."

Boyd last pitched July 24. For the season, he has a 4-2 record and a 4.53 ERA with 35 strikeouts and 25 walks in 43 and two-thirds innings. He also has seven saves.

"He's been doing OK," Steil said of Boyd's on-field performance. "He's a little bit up and down. He probably wasn't throwing ball as well as he was earlier in the year."

Boyd could not be reached for comment.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:37:43 AM

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Mike, there's been some conflicting info on Hicks and his hitting. Some believe he's been all RH.

I don't believe so. What have you seen?

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:50:47 AM

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Mike, there's been some conflicting info on Hicks and his hitting. Some believe he's been all RH.

I don't believe so. What have you seen?

Mike has probably seen him more, and I totally forgot about that actually. But I'm pretty sure he was hitting lefty at least some last weekend when I was there Ed.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:52:21 AM

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Hicks is on the Tori Hunter plane.....he'll be 25-26 before he gets it and he will be up for good and play for over 10 years. The kid couldn't hit a 70 mph changeup at the end of May from either side of the plate and then gave up switch hitting/began switch hitting again. The best thing they could do was send him to NB because he was even struggling at Rochester.

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Hicks with a double and HR tonight. 3 for 4. Probably pissed off about Vargas. There is NO reason for Hicks to be at NB other than ridiculous organizational spite. He is way too good for that level.

I see Rosario out tonight. Hmm.

He never even saw Rochester this year. He saw a whopping 72 ab's there in 2013. He dominated AA in 2012 as a 22 year old and is dominating it again this year (.844 OPS, .876 OPS, respectively, from CF). He has no reason being there other than Twins' spite. He should be at Rochester or (more likely) the majors. He's the only true CF that is major league ready right now unless you want to count Eddie Rosario. Santana is a SS, period.

I think the Twins did the right thing putting him back to where he last had success. He lost so much confidence that he gave up SH. They needed him to get back to feeling good about himself. I would not think about having him up this year, but would let him go to AAA

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:55:00 AM

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I'm not thrilled with it, but I could get on board with that plan Sweens. Especially if there's a legitimate shot that Gardy is finally fired after this season.

But he has no business being at AA. He's too good for that league.

It has nothing to do with talent level, right now it's mental

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:56:07 AM

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Hicks is on the Tori Hunter plane.....he'll be 25-26 before he gets it and he will be up for good and play for over 10 years. The kid couldn't hit a 70 mph changeup at the end of May from either side of the plate and then gave up switch hitting/began switch hitting again. The best thing they could do was send him to NB because he was even struggling at Rochester.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Hicks with a double and HR tonight. 3 for 4. Probably pissed off about Vargas. There is NO reason for Hicks to be at NB other than ridiculous organizational spite. He is way too good for that level.

I see Rosario out tonight. Hmm.

He never even saw Rochester this year. He saw a whopping 72 ab's there in 2013. He dominated AA in 2012 as a 22 year old and is dominating it again this year (.844 OPS, .876 OPS, respectively, from CF). He has no reason being there other than Twins' spite. He should be at Rochester or (more likely) the majors. He's the only true CF that is major league ready right now unless you want to count Eddie Rosario. Santana is a SS, period.

I think the Twins did the right thing putting him back to where he last had success. He lost so much confidence that he gave up SH. They needed him to get back to feeling good about himself. I would not think about having him up this year, but would let him go to AAA

Promote the hitting coach with him

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:59:51 AM

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Hicks is on the Tori Hunter plane.....he'll be 25-26 before he gets it and he will be up for good and play for over 10 years. The kid couldn't hit a 70 mph changeup at the end of May from either side of the plate and then gave up switch hitting/began switch hitting again. The best thing they could do was send him to NB because he was even struggling at Rochester.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Hicks with a double and HR tonight. 3 for 4. Probably pissed off about Vargas. There is NO reason for Hicks to be at NB other than ridiculous organizational spite. He is way too good for that level.

I see Rosario out tonight. Hmm.

He never even saw Rochester this year. He saw a whopping 72 ab's there in 2013. He dominated AA in 2012 as a 22 year old and is dominating it again this year (.844 OPS, .876 OPS, respectively, from CF). He has no reason being there other than Twins' spite. He should be at Rochester or (more likely) the majors. He's the only true CF that is major league ready right now unless you want to count Eddie Rosario. Santana is a SS, period.

I think the Twins did the right thing putting him back to where he last had success. He lost so much confidence that he gave up SH. They needed him to get back to feeling good about himself. I would not think about having him up this year, but would let him go to AAA

It'll never happen because Gardenhire isn't going anywhere , but if Aaron Hicks were to show up for spring training in 2015 and a new manager was in place he would be a different player. Given a clean slate Hicks would probably take off and re start his MLB career as a solid regular and never see the minors again. He has nothing to build upon right now, just a mgr. who thinks he is a ditz and a GM who listens to him.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 11:07:32 AM

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Hicks is on the Tori Hunter plane.....he'll be 25-26 before he gets it and he will be up for good and play for over 10 years. The kid couldn't hit a 70 mph changeup at the end of May from either side of the plate and then gave up switch hitting/began switch hitting again. The best thing they could do was send him to NB because he was even struggling at Rochester.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Hicks with a double and HR tonight. 3 for 4. Probably pissed off about Vargas. There is NO reason for Hicks to be at NB other than ridiculous organizational spite. He is way too good for that level.

I see Rosario out tonight. Hmm.

He never even saw Rochester this year. He saw a whopping 72 ab's there in 2013. He dominated AA in 2012 as a 22 year old and is dominating it again this year (.844 OPS, .876 OPS, respectively, from CF). He has no reason being there other than Twins' spite. He should be at Rochester or (more likely) the majors. He's the only true CF that is major league ready right now unless you want to count Eddie Rosario. Santana is a SS, period.

I think the Twins did the right thing putting him back to where he last had success. He lost so much confidence that he gave up SH. They needed him to get back to feeling good about himself. I would not think about having him up this year, but would let him go to AAA

It'll never happen because Gardenhire isn't going anywhere , but if Aaron Hicks were to show up for spring training in 2015 and a new manager was in place he would be a different player. Given a clean slate Hicks would probably take off and re start his MLB career as a solid regular and never see the minors again. He has nothing to build upon right now, just a mgr. who thinks he is a ditz and a GM who listens to him.

This.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 11:16:28 AM

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In the majors, on a horrendous team, he's been given 400 ab's total as a top prospect guy. That's basically 2/3 of a season. And yet the Twins/others are basically writing him off. That's insane. The kid has immense talent at a premium position and is 24 years old.

The Next Carlos Gomez,

He'll end up on some other team and starting in All Star games.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 2:09:01 PM

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GCL Twins lost 3-2 Friday

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 3:59:33 PM

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Hicks with a double and HR tonight. 3 for 4. Probably pissed off about Vargas. There is NO reason for Hicks to be at NB other than ridiculous organizational spite. He is way too good for that level.

I see Rosario out tonight. Hmm.

Hicks should certainly be at AAA Rochester. Not sure why he was demoted to New Britain?

Because the Twins are spiteful jackasses who have no idea how to develop players.

No doubt about that.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 4:03:47 PM

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Hicks is on the Tori Hunter plane.....he'll be 25-26 before he gets it and he will be up for good and play for over 10 years. The kid couldn't hit a 70 mph changeup at the end of May from either side of the plate and then gave up switch hitting/began switch hitting again. The best thing they could do was send him to NB because he was even struggling at Rochester.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Hicks with a double and HR tonight. 3 for 4. Probably pissed off about Vargas. There is NO reason for Hicks to be at NB other than ridiculous organizational spite. He is way too good for that level.

I see Rosario out tonight. Hmm.

He never even saw Rochester this year. He saw a whopping 72 ab's there in 2013. He dominated AA in 2012 as a 22 year old and is dominating it again this year (.844 OPS, .876 OPS, respectively, from CF). He has no reason being there other than Twins' spite. He should be at Rochester or (more likely) the majors. He's the only true CF that is major league ready right now unless you want to count Eddie Rosario. Santana is a SS, period.

IMO, the Twins F-ed up Hicks from the beginning. They forced him to come up when he clearly was not ready by virtue of our brain GM trading away both Span and Revere in the same Winter. Mastro and Parsley were not CF of the future. So they insert a guy who barely even played at AAA. Hicks should have spent the entire season at Rochester last year and his call-up should have been last September. The Twins put this guy over a year behind his development because they are stupid.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 4:05:32 PM

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I would just like to see him get a month's worth of confidence at AAA under his belt before he comes back here and gets Gardied.

This is a good point.

Getting Gardied is pretty much like getting shit on directly in your face.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 4:58:46 PM

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Hicks definitely batted left-handed on 7/31 vs. righthanded pitching (and did have several hard-hit balls). He also batted left against RHP in prior game a week or so ago. - before then I can't remember this year what he was doing. Erie (Tigers) announced starter for this Sunday is a lefty, so I'll be sure to see what he does.
--When Hicks was here in 2012, I don't remember any real difference in quality of his ABs from L or R side.
As far as Hicks moving up: he is NOT dominating Eastern Lg. pitchers now; in 2012, he started slow (maybe in the .230s) and gradually improved by end of year to .280s. That's the only year before or after where he had good statistical numbers. They should leave him in AA rest of this year and let him get some confidence.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 8:46:44 PM

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 8:47:43 PM

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/1/2014 10:37:43 PM

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Johnson 9-5 3.2IP 7H/5R/BB/3K
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Ibarra 2IP
Thompson IP BB/2K

NB was routed 9-2/ Just 3 hits, 3 Errors
Koch 1-3/2R HR(2)

Salcedo 4IP 3H/2R/1ER/BB/3K
Turpen IP 2K
O'rourke 1-3 IP 2H/3R/2ER/3K/HR
Summers 2IP 2h/2R/2BB/5K
Johnson IP 3H/2R/1ER/2K

FTM lost 6-3, just 4 hits

Walker 2-4/double/R/2RBI(77), Turner 1-4/R, Buxton 1-4

Mildren 6IP 6H/R/3BB/3K
Gilbert 2-4 1.2IP 5H/5R/4BB/3K
Muren .1IP 0-3 IRS K

CRapids suspended early due to storms

Eliz split 2

1-0 loss in game 1, 4 hits

Curtiss 0-1 4IP 4H/R/BB/3K
Irby 2IP H/2K

3-1 win in game 2

Schmit 1-4/RBI, Real/Kelly 1-3/R

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