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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 9:05:53 AM   
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How's that guy(who throws 100 MPH) we picked up off the street doing?


Muddling around in Rook Ball.Not dominating, for sure.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 9:08:47 AM   
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I think he'll be up by midseason this year. He could have been an "average" major league player THIS year already with his skills.


You are talking about Kohl Stewart. He's a 19 year old kid. No chance at all he'll be called up this year or next.


No. I was talking about Buxton. Which is why I talked about Stewart's timetable right after that.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 9:12:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great to see Michael doing well at AA. All about health for him. He's still just 23 and has plenty of talent. Jed Lowrie-esque. The change in depth in the MI for this organization is really starting to look amazing. We went from basically "nothing" to:

Dozier
Santana
Escobar
Nunez (decent MI utility guy)
Polanco
Rosario
Gordon
Michael

Not bad at all. Still need a longterm 3b (Sano won't be that IMO) and pitching.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 10:17:44 AM   
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Great to see Michael doing well at AA. All about health for him. He's still just 23 and has plenty of talent. Jed Lowrie-esque. The change in depth in the MI for this organization is really starting to look amazing. We went from basically "nothing" to:

Dozier
Santana
Escobar
Nunez (decent MI utility guy)
Polanco
Rosario
Gordon
Michael

Not bad at all. Still need a longterm 3b (Sano won't be that IMO) and pitching.


With Michael hitting .414 since getting to AA, really muddles up the SS position. Someone will be traded, but I hated writing that because that position has been so bad in the past.

Knowing the Twins management, they'll trade the wrong pieces

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 11:13:11 AM   
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Great to see Michael doing well at AA. All about health for him. He's still just 23 and has plenty of talent. Jed Lowrie-esque. The change in depth in the MI for this organization is really starting to look amazing. We went from basically "nothing" to:

Dozier
Santana
Escobar
Nunez (decent MI utility guy)
Polanco
Rosario
Gordon
Michael

Not bad at all. Still need a longterm 3b (Sano won't be that IMO) and pitching.


What about Florimon? You forgot Florimon.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 11:27:29 AM   
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Great to see Michael doing well at AA. All about health for him. He's still just 23 and has plenty of talent. Jed Lowrie-esque. The change in depth in the MI for this organization is really starting to look amazing. We went from basically "nothing" to:

Dozier
Santana
Escobar
Nunez (decent MI utility guy)
Polanco
Rosario
Gordon
Michael

Not bad at all. Still need a longterm 3b (Sano won't be that IMO) and pitching.


What about Florimon? You forgot Florimon.


He's not a MI. They'll move him to RF next year.
It's the Gardy plan. Have all three OF positions manned by Shortstops.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 11:32:59 AM   
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Great to see Michael doing well at AA. All about health for him. He's still just 23 and has plenty of talent. Jed Lowrie-esque. The change in depth in the MI for this organization is really starting to look amazing. We went from basically "nothing" to:

Dozier
Santana
Escobar
Nunez (decent MI utility guy)
Polanco
Rosario
Gordon
Michael

Not bad at all. Still need a longterm 3b (Sano won't be that IMO) and pitching.


What about Florimon? You forgot Florimon.


He's not a MI. They'll move him to RF next year.
It's the Gardy plan. Have all three OF positions manned by Shortstops.



Well then praise the Lord Gardy was a Shortstop and not a Catcher.
The last time we moved a player from Catcher to another position, he ended up being among the lowest rated players at First Base by any measure.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 11:37:03 AM   
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http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=1b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2014&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 11:37:30 AM   
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Great to see Michael doing well at AA. All about health for him. He's still just 23 and has plenty of talent. Jed Lowrie-esque. The change in depth in the MI for this organization is really starting to look amazing. We went from basically "nothing" to:

Dozier
Santana
Escobar
Nunez (decent MI utility guy)
Polanco
Rosario
Gordon
Michael

Not bad at all. Still need a longterm 3b (Sano won't be that IMO) and pitching.


With Michael hitting .414 since getting to AA, really muddles up the SS position. Someone will be traded, but I hated writing that because that position has been so bad in the past.

Knowing the Twins management, they'll trade the wrong pieces


Yep. It's only been 8 games so it's an incredibly small sample and I'm trying not to get excited. But he's been pretty solid all year really WHEN healthy. Hopefully he keeps it up. Health has dogged him since his college days.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 11:40:49 AM   
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Great to see Michael doing well at AA. All about health for him. He's still just 23 and has plenty of talent. Jed Lowrie-esque. The change in depth in the MI for this organization is really starting to look amazing. We went from basically "nothing" to:

Dozier
Santana
Escobar
Nunez (decent MI utility guy)
Polanco
Rosario
Gordon
Michael

Not bad at all. Still need a longterm 3b (Sano won't be that IMO) and pitching.


With Michael hitting .414 since getting to AA, really muddles up the SS position. Someone will be traded, but I hated writing that because that position has been so bad in the past.

Knowing the Twins management, they'll trade the wrong pieces


Yep. It's only been 8 games so it's an incredibly small sample and I'm trying not to get excited. But he's been pretty solid all year really WHEN healthy. Hopefully he keeps it up. Health has dogged him since his college days.



I like the Jed Lowrie comparison, that would be nice.
One of these MI may bulk up and be a good third baseman as well.
I see Sano at First as well.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 11:46:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe Harrison will eventually get it at 3b, though he's been bad there when I've seen him and he's been much more comfortable in LF. Or Niko will have his tools translate into performance at the plate there. Those are the two biggest hopes at this point IMO.

Wouldn't doubt that Polanco maybe ends up at 3b; not sure he'll hit enough to be a "good" 3b there though, personally.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 1:51:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Michael has only played 2B since he's been in NB. I've seen him maybe 3 games, to soon to form full opinion. A little better than average foot speed; decent line-drive hitter. I assume he will start 2015 at AA; hopefully that will be in NB.
--Polanco has only played SS; I've seen him for maybe 6 or 7 games. aggressive base runner; hitting so-so; defensively better than average - but Santana is a better defensive SS.
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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 2:21:33 PM   
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I think he'll be up by midseason this year. He could have been an "average" major league player THIS year already with his skills.


You are talking about Kohl Stewart. He's a 19 year old kid. No chance at all he'll be called up this year or next.


No. I was talking about Buxton. Which is why I talked about Stewart's timetable right after that.


Well OK then....how are you saying he'll be called up midseason "this year" when A) we've long since passed midseason and B) the Twins are shutting him down after that injury?? And the other thing from your comment in that post....no way in heck Buxton would have been an average mlb player THIS year. It's one thing to have optimism and quite another to make a statement like that

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 2:24:20 PM   
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Maybe Harrison will eventually get it at 3b, though he's been bad there when I've seen him and he's been much more comfortable in LF. Or Niko will have his tools translate into performance at the plate there. Those are the two biggest hopes at this point IMO.

Wouldn't doubt that Polanco maybe ends up at 3b; not sure he'll hit enough to be a "good" 3b there though, personally.


"Tools" speak to athletic ability. You either can hit or you can't. I don't see any evidence that Goodrum is a potential major league hitter.
And there is the problem. The Twins are so hung up on "tools" where they need to be looking for ballplayers. Specifically guys who can hit.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 2:51:29 PM   
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Florimon is hot at AAA.Trade bait for an awesome glove that hits .250 in AAA.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 2:55:23 PM   
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I think he'll be up by midseason this year. He could have been an "average" major league player THIS year already with his skills.


You are talking about Kohl Stewart. He's a 19 year old kid. No chance at all he'll be called up this year or next.


No. I was talking about Buxton. Which is why I talked about Stewart's timetable right after that.


Well OK then....how are you saying he'll be called up midseason "this year" when A) we've long since passed midseason and B) the Twins are shutting him down after that injury?? And the other thing from your comment in that post....no way in heck Buxton would have been an average mlb player THIS year. It's one thing to have optimism and quite another to make a statement like that


My bad. Obviously I was talking "next" year. Disagree on this year. He'd already be one of the very best defensive OF'ers in baseball if not THE best and one of the very best baserunners in baseball. And I think he'd at least hit at a Ben Revere level. Low bar, yes, but that combination would make him at least an average major league player already. And I'm not alone in thinking that. There have been several scouts/analysts on record saying the same thing this year. The kid is that special.

He'll be up by middle of the season next year (likely after super 2 cutoff in June) and will be an impact player immediately. Assuming health of course.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 2:56:48 PM   
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Maybe Harrison will eventually get it at 3b, though he's been bad there when I've seen him and he's been much more comfortable in LF. Or Niko will have his tools translate into performance at the plate there. Those are the two biggest hopes at this point IMO.

Wouldn't doubt that Polanco maybe ends up at 3b; not sure he'll hit enough to be a "good" 3b there though, personally.


"Tools" speak to athletic ability. You either can hit or you can't. I don't see any evidence that Goodrum is a potential major league hitter.
And there is the problem. The Twins are so hung up on "tools" where they need to be looking for ballplayers. Specifically guys who can hit.


Hitting is one of the tools. The most important one, but it's not like the other ones don't matter. Defense/baserunning/arm strength all matter a lot.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 3:03:54 PM   
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Twins were concerned about SS depth. A lot has changed in 1 year.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 3:04:09 PM   
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Maybe Harrison will eventually get it at 3b, though he's been bad there when I've seen him and he's been much more comfortable in LF. Or Niko will have his tools translate into performance at the plate there. Those are the two biggest hopes at this point IMO.

Wouldn't doubt that Polanco maybe ends up at 3b; not sure he'll hit enough to be a "good" 3b there though, personally.


"Tools" speak to athletic ability. You either can hit or you can't. I don't see any evidence that Goodrum is a potential major league hitter.
And there is the problem. The Twins are so hung up on "tools" where they need to be looking for ballplayers. Specifically guys who can hit.


Hitting is one of the tools. The most important one, but it's not like the other ones don't matter. Defense/baserunning/arm strength all matter a lot.


Its like Gardy just hacked your account...
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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 3:07:55 PM   
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Keep in mind that Polanco was moved back to SS this year, played 2nd with Michael at SS nearly all last year.

Twins were concerned about SS depth. A lot has changed in 1 year.


No doubt. And Gordon, while he's a ways away, I'm confident will pan out eventually and be an impact player. His bloodlines are just too good and he's the best of them. We went from "need to trade for MI" to "we have excess MI to trade" in a very short time. Which is great news.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 3:08:57 PM   
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Maybe Harrison will eventually get it at 3b, though he's been bad there when I've seen him and he's been much more comfortable in LF. Or Niko will have his tools translate into performance at the plate there. Those are the two biggest hopes at this point IMO.

Wouldn't doubt that Polanco maybe ends up at 3b; not sure he'll hit enough to be a "good" 3b there though, personally.


"Tools" speak to athletic ability. You either can hit or you can't. I don't see any evidence that Goodrum is a potential major league hitter.
And there is the problem. The Twins are so hung up on "tools" where they need to be looking for ballplayers. Specifically guys who can hit.


Hitting is one of the tools. The most important one, but it's not like the other ones don't matter. Defense/baserunning/arm strength all matter a lot.


Its like Gardy just hacked your account...


You know I like offense as much as the next guy. I just don't think we can discount everything else. If we only count hitting, Miggy is a better player than Trout the last couple years. But in reality Trout is a WAAAAYYYYY better player because of all the other ways that he accounts for run differential for a team.

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 3:10:27 PM   
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Maybe Harrison will eventually get it at 3b, though he's been bad there when I've seen him and he's been much more comfortable in LF. Or Niko will have his tools translate into performance at the plate there. Those are the two biggest hopes at this point IMO.

Wouldn't doubt that Polanco maybe ends up at 3b; not sure he'll hit enough to be a "good" 3b there though, personally.


"Tools" speak to athletic ability. You either can hit or you can't. I don't see any evidence that Goodrum is a potential major league hitter.
And there is the problem. The Twins are so hung up on "tools" where they need to be looking for ballplayers. Specifically guys who can hit.


Hitting is one of the tools. The most important one, but it's not like the other ones don't matter. Defense/baserunning/arm strength all matter a lot.


Its like Gardy just hacked your account...


To Gardy Hitting is for tools, not a tool.

He'd rather have Nine banjo hitting SSs on the field than anyone that can thump it, but has trouble framing pitches or picking it...

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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 3:19:35 PM   
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Maybe Harrison will eventually get it at 3b, though he's been bad there when I've seen him and he's been much more comfortable in LF. Or Niko will have his tools translate into performance at the plate there. Those are the two biggest hopes at this point IMO.

Wouldn't doubt that Polanco maybe ends up at 3b; not sure he'll hit enough to be a "good" 3b there though, personally.


"Tools" speak to athletic ability. You either can hit or you can't. I don't see any evidence that Goodrum is a potential major league hitter.
And there is the problem. The Twins are so hung up on "tools" where they need to be looking for ballplayers. Specifically guys who can hit.


Hitting is one of the tools. The most important one, but it's not like the other ones don't matter. Defense/baserunning/arm strength all matter a lot.


Its like Gardy just hacked your account...


You know I like offense as much as the next guy. I just don't think we can discount everything else. If we only count hitting, Miggy is a better player than Trout the last couple years. But in reality Trout is a WAAAAYYYYY better player because of all the other ways that he accounts for run differential for a team.


Except Trout is pretty good at that hitting thing too...

If Trout was a .230, 10 HR guy, he wouldn't be anywhere near the best player discussion.
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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 3:21:36 PM   
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RE: Players and prospects III - 8/20/2014 5:52:18 PM   
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Me thinks we won't be seeing Buxton in a Twins uniform until 2016.

When is it reasonable to project kohl stewarts ml debut?


I think he'll be up by midseason this year. He could have been an "average" major league player THIS year already with his skills. He'll be ready quickly. Not worried about the injuries. All of these are of the "freak" variety this year and he's never really been hurt in his life before this year. If this continues next year, maybe time to be concerned.

If Stewart keeps progressing like he is 2016 is not outside the realm of possibility. Though I'd probably project 2017. The rotation even by the end of 2015 is looking pretty full:

Meyer
Berrios
Gibson
Hughes
Nolasco
Milone
Pelfrey (through 2015)
May

By the way, everyone will be starting to talk about our other stud Lewis Thorpe by then. He's going to be a top 20 MLB prospect very soon if he keeps doing what he's doing at this crazy young age.


Is there a #1 or #2 in that group?

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