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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/20/2025 5:24:54 PM

Bill Johanesen

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And another notable difference is Ohtani has pitched and hit almost his entire career. Ruth pitched for about 5 years, at the beginning of his career.

It's tough to compare era's. Mantle, Mays, Dimaggio, Aaron are all in the conversation.

Today you have specialized pitchers all throwing gas. Back then it was probably 80-85 MPH fastball.

But, today if you throw inside too much, you can get ejected. Back then they threw at people's heads and it was part of the game. The deterrent was the other team would return the favor.

I'm not dismissing Ohtani at all. Love to watch him play.

Bad part about baseball right now is it looks like a work stoppage is on the horizon. Most teams(Owners) want hard salary cap and the players say no way.

One other thing. Ruth's "miniscule" ERA (2.28) isn't miniscule considering scoring was relatively low when he pitched (in the dead ball era):

This was a period when all major-league teams combined to hit .254/.316/.332 (batting average/on-base average/slugging average), and the average game featured only 3.9 runs, 8.4 hits, and 0.15 home runs per team.

Now it is 4.5 runs per team. 2.28 then equates to 2.63 now. Very good but it's not like he shut out everyone; that ERA would have placed 7th this past regular season.

Once that era changed, Ruth bailed on pitching and became an outfielder.

Ruth's career accomplishments are defined by the dead & live ball eras:
- Dead Ball: Pitched while doing next to nothing as a hitter (Ohtani's at bats in just 2025 was about equal to Ruth's at bats for his first 5 years combined).
- Live Ball: Hit while doing nothing as a pitcher because he basically stopped pitching.

Clearly, Ruth being a simultaneous/same game dual threat didn't occur much at all. His career has distinct divisions WRT pitching to batting. I didn't know this until now.

Meanwhile, Ohtani does both simultaneously.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/20/2025 5:58:57 PM

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As an aside, discounting Ruth's first 5 years when he didn't produce much as a hitter he averaged 40 HRs a year over his last 17 years. Ohtani is averaging 35.

MVP Awards:
Ruth - 1 (in his 10th year of a 22 year career, thought he'd have a ton)
Othani - 3 (likely 4 very soon as his 8th year concludes)

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/20/2025 6:03:05 PM

David Levine

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As an aside, discounting Ruth's first 5 years when he didn't produce much as a hitter he averaged 40 HRs a year over his last 17 years. Ohtani is averaging 35.

That 35 jumps to 47 if you go by his last 5 seasons - which is when he became a full-time player. The 3 previous years he played in 104, 106 and 44 games.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/20/2025 10:14:00 PM

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I kinda like the Dodgers. But I can't wait for the anti-Trump stuff if Toronto wins. Not that he knows anything about baseball. But at least Canada can stick it to him.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/21/2025 8:06:47 AM

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As an aside, discounting Ruth's first 5 years when he didn't produce much as a hitter he averaged 40 HRs a year over his last 17 years. Ohtani is averaging 35.

That 35 jumps to 47 if you go by his last 5 seasons - which is when he became a full-time player. The 3 previous years he played in 104, 106 and 44 games.

Ah.

Otherworldly.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/21/2025 8:23:23 AM

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I kinda like the Dodgers. But I can't wait for the anti-Trump stuff if Toronto wins. Not that he knows anything about baseball. But at least Canada can stick it to him.

Go to Los Angeles. You'll see more Anti-Trump stuff there than in Toronto.

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/21/2025 9:59:51 AM

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Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

Not just for baseball. He's in the conversation for GOAT Pro Athlete.

Even though his career was cut short, does anyone top Bo Jackson?

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RE: MLB General Information PT 4 - 10/21/2025 11:35:34 AM

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Far more than a generational player. He's in the conversation for GOAT, and it's a slim list.

Not just for baseball. He's in the conversation for GOAT Pro Athlete.

Even though his career was cut short, does anyone top Bo Jackson?

I'd think a lot of guys do.

It was really impressive that he played 2 sports, but he was never close to the best player in either.

In football he played in only 38 games and had 2800 yards and 16 TDs. 40 receptions, 350 yards, 2 TDs.

In baseball he was a .250 hitter that hit a good amount of HRs, but struck out a TON. In his 13 career postseason PAs he had 0 hits, 3 BBs and 6 Ks.

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