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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:08:21 AM   
Mark Anderson

 

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Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:10:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:14:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 11:41:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.


5 first rounders - eventually reduced to 3.

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.

Fines.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 12:58:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.


5 first rounders - eventually reduced to 3.

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.

Fines.

I wasn't very clear in my post.

The 2nd statement was what I project for the Clippers.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 9/18/2025 1:40:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Is there any precedent on what the Clippers allegedly did to go around salary cap?

What should be the penalty if true? Lose draft picks? No FAs for a period of time.


Its significantly worse than the Joe Smith deal...

I forgot about that. Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?

Probably 5 first rounders and no FAs for 3-5 years.


5 first rounders - eventually reduced to 3.

Smith banned from signing with MN.

1 year bans for Taylor and McHale.

Fines.

I wasn't very clear in my post.

The 2nd statement was what I project for the Clippers.


I got that. I was just responding to the first part: "Was that 5 first rounders TWolves lost?"
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/22/2025 4:45:41 PM   
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OKC again this year? Houston will be a problem!
Two teams that are loaded, but it always comes down to which teams stay healthy.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/22/2025 7:56:42 PM   
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NBA Today or whatever it's called shifted from TBS (?) to ESPN this evening. How much did they have to pay Shaq to actually speak and engage like a normal 'host' vs sitting there like a lump? Or maybe they threatened to fire his ass. He was certainly jovial.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/22/2025 8:04:42 PM   
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I guess Kawhi's sister is still in prison?

A sister of LA Clippers star Kawhi Leonard was one of two women sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of an elderly woman in a Southern California casino in 2019.

Kimesha Williams, one of Leonard's sisters, and Candace Townsel were convicted in February for the murder of 84-year-old Afaf Assad in a bathroom at Pechanga Resort Casino in Temecula, California. Sentencing for the first-degree murder convictions was handed down Friday.


According to reports, Williams and Townsel went to the casino on Aug. 31, 2019, and Assad and her husband entered with a purse containing approximately $1,000 for gambling. When Assad went into a bathroom, Williams allegedly followed her and Townsel stayed outside to be the lookout.

A short time later, a woman in another stall heard a loud thud. Williams and Townsel were seen fleeing to the exit. Assad was found bleeding on the floor. She had a fractured skull and died four days later.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 3:55:51 PM   
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Damon Jones wasn't employed by the Lakers but had restricted access to the team in 2022-23 as he was on the court with LeBron James' during pregame workouts. Source tells The Athletic James was unaware Jones was allegedly selling/sharing info about his status.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 4:01:22 PM   
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The FBI is holding a press conference right now on the details around this morning's sports gambling bust.

Here are some of the highlights:

1. Current and former NBA players and coaches Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, and Damon Jones have been arrested.

2. This was an illegal gambling and sports rigging operation that spanned years across 11 states. In total, 30 individuals have been arrested (13 mafia members).

3. The case involves La Cosa Nostra (the Italian mafia).

4. Charges include illegal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion.

5. There are two separate indictments. The first involves six defendants accused of participating in a sports corruption scheme that exploited insider information involving NBA players and teams. The defendants leveraged their connections to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, winning tens of thousands of dollars per bet.

The second indictment involves 31 defendants charged with participating in a nationwide scheme to rig illegal poker games. The FBI says they used high-tech cheating technology to steal millions of dollars from victims in underground poker games that were secretly fixed.

6. The two cases are separate, but there are three overlapping defendants, including former NBA player and coach Damon Jones.

7. The FBI says that NBA player Terry Rozier told the defendants that he was going to leave a game early on March 23, 2023, with an injury. The defendants then placed more than $200,000 of wagers on the unders for his prop bets, with Rozier leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets paid out tens of thousands of dollars in profits, and the defendants and Rozier counted the money at his house.

8 The FBI says that former Raptors player Jontay Porter was threatened to participate in the sports gambling scheme because of his gambling debts.

9. Teams that were bet on during the sports gambling scheme include the Charlotte Hornets, Portland Trail Blazers, Los Angeles Lakers, and the Toronto Raptors.

10. The rigged poker games occurred in the Hamptons, Miami, Las Vegas, and Manhattan.

11. The poker scheme targeted victims who were lured to participate in rigged poker games by the chance to play alongside former professional athletes. These athletes included Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones.

12. The FBI says that the defendants utilized altered shuffling machines to read the cards in the deck and then relayed that information to an off-site operator. The offsite operator — known as the "quarterback" — then sent that information to someone at the table.

13. The FBI also says that the defendants utilized other cheating technologies, including poker chip trays that read cards through hidden cameras, special contact lenses and glasses that could read marked cards, and x-ray poker tables that could read cards face down.

14. The FBI says that the defendants robbed a victim at gunpoint to acquire a rigged shuffling machine.

15. The sports gambling investigation is called "Operation Nothing But Net," while the poker investigation is called "Operation Royal Flush."

16. The FBI has been working on this investigation for four years, with victims losing at least $7 million.

17. One specific victim lost at least $1.8 million.

18. The FBI reviewed thousands of hours of video evidence and executed more than two dozen search warrants.

These are just accusations at this point. I am just pointing out details from the FBI's investigation.

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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 8:30:36 PM   
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OKC again this year? Houston will be a problem!
Two teams that are loaded, but it always comes down to which teams stay healthy.


I say yes, Steve.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 9:41:25 PM   
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And OKC is now going into their 4th overtime of the season, two games in.
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RE: NBA Talk 2020 - 10/23/2025 10:30:46 PM   
Mark Anderson

 

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer



Joe Pompliano
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The FBI is holding a press conference right now on the details around this morning's sports gambling bust.

Here are some of the highlights:

1. Current and former NBA players and coaches Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier, and Damon Jones have been arrested.

2. This was an illegal gambling and sports rigging operation that spanned years across 11 states. In total, 30 individuals have been arrested (13 mafia members).

3. The case involves La Cosa Nostra (the Italian mafia).

4. Charges include illegal gambling, wire fraud, and extortion.

5. There are two separate indictments. The first involves six defendants accused of participating in a sports corruption scheme that exploited insider information involving NBA players and teams. The defendants leveraged their connections to place prop bets based on confidential insider information, winning tens of thousands of dollars per bet.

The second indictment involves 31 defendants charged with participating in a nationwide scheme to rig illegal poker games. The FBI says they used high-tech cheating technology to steal millions of dollars from victims in underground poker games that were secretly fixed.

6. The two cases are separate, but there are three overlapping defendants, including former NBA player and coach Damon Jones.

7. The FBI says that NBA player Terry Rozier told the defendants that he was going to leave a game early on March 23, 2023, with an injury. The defendants then placed more than $200,000 of wagers on the unders for his prop bets, with Rozier leaving the game after nine minutes. Those bets paid out tens of thousands of dollars in profits, and the defendants and Rozier counted the money at his house.

8 The FBI says that former Raptors player Jontay Porter was threatened to participate in the sports gambling scheme because of his gambling debts.

9. Teams that were bet on during the sports gambling scheme include the Charlotte Hornets, Portland Trail Blazers, Los Angeles Lakers, and the Toronto Raptors.

10. The rigged poker games occurred in the Hamptons, Miami, Las Vegas, and Manhattan.

11. The poker scheme targeted victims who were lured to participate in rigged poker games by the chance to play alongside former professional athletes. These athletes included Chauncey Billups and Damon Jones.

12. The FBI says that the defendants utilized altered shuffling machines to read the cards in the deck and then relayed that information to an off-site operator. The offsite operator — known as the "quarterback" — then sent that information to someone at the table.

13. The FBI also says that the defendants utilized other cheating technologies, including poker chip trays that read cards through hidden cameras, special contact lenses and glasses that could read marked cards, and x-ray poker tables that could read cards face down.

14. The FBI says that the defendants robbed a victim at gunpoint to acquire a rigged shuffling machine.

15. The sports gambling investigation is called "Operation Nothing But Net," while the poker investigation is called "Operation Royal Flush."

16. The FBI has been working on this investigation for four years, with victims losing at least $7 million.

17. One specific victim lost at least $1.8 million.

18. The FBI reviewed thousands of hours of video evidence and executed more than two dozen search warrants.

These are just accusations at this point. I am just pointing out details from the FBI's investigation.

For more updates, join 135,000 others who read my 3x weekly newsletter: https://huddleup.substack.com

The NBA already had their hands full sweeping the Clippers cheating under the rug. Now this.
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