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As much as I'd love to see Harris extended I don't think it will happen. I think the talk of extending him is to flush out any team that's sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I imagine we'll end up taking a 4th or 5th rounder for him which is still better than nothing. Zimmer sabotaged the trade effort before the whole thing even began by saying safety wasn't a priority or 'important' or whatever his comment was.

If Harris goes I like the amount of cap space it opens up but that's it. The four best players on our team were Hunter, Kendricks, Diggs, and Harris. It seems like poor management to lose two of your best players. I understand Diggs might not have been salvageable but really we'll never know.

Its as clear cut as can be, he had to go ... unless you think we should have altered the team to appease a diva-ish WR.

No, Zimmer didnt sabotage the Harris trade prospects ... safeties, guards and fullbacks simply are valued under CBs, OTs and RBs for obvious reasons. That and the fact we already have a top caliber, highly paid safety on the roster has more to do with our lack of trade leverage than Zimmer opening his mouth.

Diggs had to go given the current environment that's for sure. Is the environment of 'run and stop the run' a great idea for today's game? I know, I know it is what it is. It just seems to me that a team should look to keep it's best players and build around that rather than establish an identity and then try to fit the pieces that way. We fell back-asswards into two elite talents in Diggs and Harris and we barely got to use them. Why can't there be two elite safeties? Earl Thomas and Kam Chancellor want to know. Can you imagine if Seattle had let half the legion of boom move on because they didn't want too much invested in one area?

'Run and stop the run' is over-blown in here as a criticism. All NFL coaches not named Andy Reid would prefer to be able to 'run and stop the run', its a tremendous advantage. My apologies to Diggs if he wanted a return to the 2018 DeFilippo one dimensional passing attack – its fun for WRs but not for fans that have to watch their team get abused by more balanced, better coached teams.

Every team is trying to keep its best players and trying to adapt what they do to those player's strengths. Every team. Including the 1-15 and 14-2 teams.

I never said there can't be 2 elite safeties – since we had that last year (and still might in 2020), the point is moot. But the variables are different from year to year, and paying a Harris premier money (even for the safety position) will make it difficult to address other needs and work ourselves out of cap hell.

Our situation, roster, cap structure, etc. has nothing to do with that Seattle team from several years ago. That's neither here nor there.

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As much as I'd love to see Harris extended I don't think it will happen. I think the talk of extending him is to flush out any team that's sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I imagine we'll end up taking a 4th or 5th rounder for him which is still better than nothing. Zimmer sabotaged the trade effort before the whole thing even began by saying safety wasn't a priority or 'important' or whatever his comment was.

If Harris goes I like the amount of cap space it opens up but that's it. The four best players on our team were Hunter, Kendricks, Diggs, and Harris. It seems like poor management to lose two of your best players. I understand Diggs might not have been salvageable but really we'll never know.

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Harris is a good example of a guy that should have been extended last year, before the season. Could have locked him up for around six million a year and been done with it. Lets remember, although he did have a couple of nice picks, a couple of them were flat out gifts too. He's a good player, I've always thought it was a very good pickup in UDFA, but he's simply not worth the contract that is being hyped up by the media and his agent. Because of the good year, his only really good year, he's set to make twice what he is really worth and many teams know this and won't pay it. I'd be disappointed in the Vikings if they ink him for over 9 million a year average. Love the kid, just don't love him enough to by him a mansion.

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As much as I'd love to see Harris extended I don't think it will happen. I think the talk of extending him is to flush out any team that's sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I imagine we'll end up taking a 4th or 5th rounder for him which is still better than nothing. Zimmer sabotaged the trade effort before the whole thing even began by saying safety wasn't a priority or 'important' or whatever his comment was.

If Harris goes I like the amount of cap space it opens up but that's it. The four best players on our team were Hunter, Kendricks, Diggs, and Harris. It seems like poor management to lose two of your best players. I understand Diggs might not have been salvageable but really we'll never know.

I just release him before accepting a 4 or 5. Somebody will sign him and we will get a 3rd compensatory pick I still think. That of course would have been more likely if we had just released him in the first place.

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As much as I'd love to see Harris extended I don't think it will happen. I think the talk of extending him is to flush out any team that's sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I imagine we'll end up taking a 4th or 5th rounder for him which is still better than nothing. Zimmer sabotaged the trade effort before the whole thing even began by saying safety wasn't a priority or 'important' or whatever his comment was.

If Harris goes I like the amount of cap space it opens up but that's it. The four best players on our team were Hunter, Kendricks, Diggs, and Harris. It seems like poor management to lose two of your best players. I understand Diggs might not have been salvageable but really we'll never know.

I just release him before accepting a 4 or 5. Somebody will sign him and we will get a 3rd compensatory pick I still think. That of course would have been more likely if we had just released him in the first place.

If we are going to get rid of him, use him on a trade up to get a Blue Chipper.

#22, Harris and whatever to get Wirfs, Jeudy, Kinlaw, CJ Henderson

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As much as I'd love to see Harris extended I don't think it will happen. I think the talk of extending him is to flush out any team that's sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I imagine we'll end up taking a 4th or 5th rounder for him which is still better than nothing. Zimmer sabotaged the trade effort before the whole thing even began by saying safety wasn't a priority or 'important' or whatever his comment was.

If Harris goes I like the amount of cap space it opens up but that's it. The four best players on our team were Hunter, Kendricks, Diggs, and Harris. It seems like poor management to lose two of your best players. I understand Diggs might not have been salvageable but really we'll never know.

I just release him before accepting a 4 or 5. Somebody will sign him and we will get a 3rd compensatory pick I still think. That of course would have been more likely if we had just released him in the first place.

If we are going to get rid of him, use him on a trade up to get a Blue Chipper.

#22, Harris and whatever to get Wirfs, Jeudy, Kinlaw, CJ Henderson

I agree

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As much as I'd love to see Harris extended I don't think it will happen. I think the talk of extending him is to flush out any team that's sitting back and waiting to see what happens. I imagine we'll end up taking a 4th or 5th rounder for him which is still better than nothing. Zimmer sabotaged the trade effort before the whole thing even began by saying safety wasn't a priority or 'important' or whatever his comment was.

If Harris goes I like the amount of cap space it opens up but that's it. The four best players on our team were Hunter, Kendricks, Diggs, and Harris. It seems like poor management to lose two of your best players. I understand Diggs might not have been salvageable but really we'll never know.

I just release him before accepting a 4 or 5. Somebody will sign him and we will get a 3rd compensatory pick I still think. That of course would have been more likely if we had just released him in the first place.

If we are going to get rid of him, use him on a trade up to get a Blue Chipper.

#22, Harris and whatever to get Wirfs, Jeudy, Kinlaw, CJ Henderson

I agree

Yeah that's a super good idea. Otherwise I'd still take a 4th. A 3rd round comp pick will be at the end of the round anyway.

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Harris is a good example of a guy that should have been extended last year, before the season. Could have locked him up for around six million a year and been done with it. Lets remember, although he did have a couple of nice picks, a couple of them were flat out gifts too. He's a good player, I've always thought it was a very good pickup in UDFA, but he's simply not worth the contract that is being hyped up by the media and his agent. Because of the good year, his only really good year, he's set to make twice what he is really worth and many teams know this and won't pay it. I'd be disappointed in the Vikings if they ink him for over 9 million a year average. Love the kid, just don't love him enough to by him a mansion.

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Bottom line, if you pay Harris $13 million a year, you will have over $23 million tied up in the safety positions. Although it is an important position, as many have pointed out, it's down there on the list and that much money invested in these two positions is very poor cap management. I just don't see it happening. Something will happen with Harris in the next few weeks, well, him or Smith!

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

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Bottom line, if you pay Harris $13 million a year, you will have over $23 million tied up in the safety positions. Although it is an important position, as many have pointed out, it's down there on the list and that much money invested in these two positions is very poor cap management. I just don't see it happening. Something will happen with Harris in the next few weeks, well, him or Smith!

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.