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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

Do you really think their motivation is to 'look good' short term? Hopefully, they are still trying to win short term.

IMO Spielman and Zimmer made a plan for a 5-6 year window – let's call it 2014-2019 – they drafted, signed and assembled a core group to the best of the regime's ability, paid them handsomely to keep them together for as long as possible, tossed in a huge franchise QB salary (because drafting didn't work out for them) ... but failed to reach the main goal.

Not only did the plan fail but variables including but not limited to carrying too many high paid salaries, under-performing core players, top talent wanting to jump ship – and SF pounding a stake through the competitive heart of the plan (that the Eagles had first inserted) – and it is simply time to move on and retool. I prefer not gutting the whole thing and starting a new 5-6 year plan.

I have no confidence that Spielman and Zimmer can break new ground or even augment the old plan and come up with a more competitive playoff version.

But what the hell, been here before, done that. Can't wait for the offseason to unfold! "You never know" is a grand curse and copyrighted by Vikings fans everywhere.

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The draft is always huge. The Steelers 1974 draft was a gold standard. But now we need multiple great drafts, say equal to the Steelers 1969 and 1974 drafts.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

What about Brezinski? Is he lame duck?

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

Do you really think their motivation is to 'look good' short term? Hopefully, they are still trying to win short term.

IMO Spielman and Zimmer made a plan for a 5-6 year window – let's call it 2014-2019 – they drafted, signed and assembled a core group to the best of the regime's ability, paid them handsomely to keep them together for as long as possible, tossed in a huge franchise QB salary (because drafting didn't work out for them) ... but failed to reach the main goal.

Not only did the plan fail but variables including but not limited to carrying too many high paid salaries, under-performing core players, top talent wanting to jump ship – and SF pounding a stake through the competitive heart of the plan (that the Eagles had first inserted) – and it is simply time to move on and retool. I prefer not gutting the whole thing and starting a new 5-6 year plan.

I have no confidence that Spielman and Zimmer can break new ground or even augment the old plan and come up with a more competitive playoff version.

But what the hell, been here before, done that. Can't wait for the offseason to unfold! "You never know" is a grand curse and copyrighted by Vikings fans everywhere.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

What about Brezinski? Is he lame duck?

Speaking of which, where is Jeff Diamond? That guy knew how to get into cap hell.

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

What about Brezinski? Is he lame duck?

Speaking of which, where is Jeff Diamond? That guy knew how to get into cap hell.

Back in the late 90s, early 2000s it must have been all the rage, because teams kept hiring him.

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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

This is disappointing. I was looking forward to extending him or at least having him this season on the franchise tag. If we were to trade him that would not count against the team that's trading for him's compensatory formula where as if they signed him FA it would right. Seems like that should be some incentive for a team to make a trade. Or a team could wait until the compensatory window closes than they could sign him without penalty. Is that after the draft or when?

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Actually Harris had 2 consecutive very good seasons.

Depends on how you look at it. I see it as one good season then a very good season.

Harris played very well in both 2018 and 2019.

In some ways (solo tackles), he played better with fewer opportunities in 2018 (9GS in 2018, 14GS in 2019).

I agree with KG here, 2018 was a good season, nothing to be ashamed of and his 2019 campaign was his best yet, but lets remember, he's a safety playing opposite of an all pro. Sandejo looked good too, although not the level of Harris, but with Sandejo we had a top tier defense, better than the last two years. Before anyone starts going crazy with "it wasn't Sandejo" I get that, but it was the same players and they were pretty damn good. My point is that safeties get a lot of tackles, it's the nature of the position. I really like Harris a lot, I just don't want to invest $23 million in the two safety spots when you can get solid production out of the spots for around $14 or $15. That's just me, but I can understand how many feel about Harris, we were blessed to get him, I loved it when we did, I just wish we could have signed him for $6 million a year a season ago! I would never pay him $13 million, period!

There were a few of us pointing out that Harris should have been extended after the 2018 season. But the problem was many of our core players were getting extended (some shouldn't have) and we had little to no money to get out in front of some of our young players when they could be extended early at huge savings.

What bothers me a lot is that we use to do this. We also never back loaded contracts like we have been the last 2 years. But this is what an owner gets when he has a GM and HC on lame duck contracts.

So you're saying that Wilf should extend Spiels and Zimmer.

One or the other.

But anyone can see they are kicking a lot of money down the road in an effort to look good short term.

If that was the case, we would have signed Waynes and Griffen to 1st year low cap deals and never traded Diggs. It looks to me like we are trying to get younger and get our cap back to a manageable state. And still try to remain competitive.

It looks to me like your argument would have been better last year or year before.

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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

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Wolfson is the source for Borman. He has a good track record for reliability. Personally I don't think we can get a third for Harris. That is my thinking and I have no source.

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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

Putting a 3-4 guy on the staff is a change. And it isn't some young buck he can dismiss.

Another newsflash, balanced offenses are back in vogue. The Rams high flying offense came and gone faster than the 'Run and Shoot".

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Sean Borman@SeanBormanNFL
"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

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"On Anthony Harris... Negotiations [with the #Vikings] didn't go quite so well... I would say a trade is back on the table. He could get moved on draft weekend... I think playing out the season on the franchise tag is off the table."

The big problem here is that the Vikings "KNOW" what Harris is worth and Harris and his agent have a different idea. Bummer, I like that kid. The Vikings could be looking at bringing a Safety FA real soon. Lots of guys not having a problem leaving Zimmer, he's old school and that doesn't go well with today's young men, they have a different idea on how to treat people. Look at the difference between Pete Carol and Zimmer, both solid coaches, totally different philosophy. both about the same age, just one grew with the job and the other feels the players need to adapt to him. That worked 30 years ago, today, not so much, look at the coaches in todays NFL.

Agreed. Zim's "get the hell off of my lawn" attitude doesn't fly with today's young people.

One thing about "time". It's always changing so you either change with it or fall in it's wake.

People are making a lot of assumptions about Zimmer being a dinosaur and all that. We don't know.

It's pretty obvious to those paying attention.