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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Lars

So let's talk QB:

Rodgers, Goff, Fields? No thanks.
Dak?
Tua?

Hell, even Burrow threw for 1 TD and 200 yards at home yesterday. Epic fumble by BAL saved them from losing.

I'm no Cousins fan. I start with the fact that he is a Sparty - LOL. But there are much bigger issues than him. I would give him a B to B+ as a QB. I given the defense an F - at every level.

So if you do cut Cousins, you DO need to put someone else under center. Who would that be???

People can say what they want, but the best season the Vikings have had in recent memory was with Case Keenum at the helm. And he had one of the worst offensive lines in football.

You never know how a guy is going to turn out.

Was just going to post that. Case freaking Keenum has done more for the Vikings than Cousins ever will.

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

I would spend this offseason building a new defense - even though I am not a huge Cousins fan. Also, there is no excuse for 1 pass for 4 yards for Jefferson.

Other teams with star WRs somehow manage to get them the ball even with the other team focusing on him.

The amazing decline in Thielen perhaps contributed to that

BUT

The defense and the DC are atrocious. Both must go

Jefferson isn't above criticism either. In the biggest games this season he was a no show. Exception being the Bills game.

Jefferson is a good player. The offense ran through him this season, which is why his numbers were so big. Way too much is made of his numbers.

Frankly, I'd like to see a more balanced offense so when we play a big game the other team doesn't know where it is coming from.

He had 128 catches for 1,800+ yards and eight scores.

They could be a better team if he had 100 catches, 1,400 yards and six scores. In fact, his scores may go up if we spread around the ball more.

I agree

Balance is the key for a great offense

For as much hype has Jerry Rice gets, the 1989 49ers had another great WR John Taylor, a very good TE Brent Jones, and 2 RBs who both could catch 75 balls a year in Craig and Rathman. They could literally run or throw very well out of their base set which made them almost impossible to defend.

The current Eagles have a stud in AJ Brown but when teams double him, Devonta Smith can bust out big plays. Thielen really seems to have slowed down - or is it just me?

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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As I see it, these are the teams that definitely should be looking for a quarterback in the off-season.

Las Vegas (Carr will be somewhere else)
Tampa
Indianapolis
Washington
Rams
New Orleans
Green Bay (I think Rodgers is done with football)
Dolphins (too many headaches for Tua, he needs to retire or be brain dead)
LA Rams

These are teams that should consider looking for a new quarterback next season.

Atlanta (has an unproven rookie)
New York Jets
Houston
Carolina
New England (Mac Jones will lose the internal battle with Belichick)

These are teams that are screwed because they are hooked into a crazy deal.

Dallas
Minnesota
Arizona
Tennessee
Cleveland
Denver

These teams are totally comfortable with their quarterback situation.

Kansas City
Buffalo
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Chargers
Philadelphia
NY Giants
San Francisco
Seattle
Detroit
Chicago (for one more year)
Baltimore

For JC. This was my post earlier.

Pretty darn accurate!

Is the guy behind Rodgers any good?

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

I would spend this offseason building a new defense - even though I am not a huge Cousins fan. Also, there is no excuse for 1 pass for 4 yards for Jefferson.

Other teams with star WRs somehow manage to get them the ball even with the other team focusing on him.

The amazing decline in Thielen perhaps contributed to that

BUT

The defense and the DC are atrocious. Both must go

Jefferson isn't above criticism either. In the biggest games this season he was a no show. Exception being the Bills game.

Jefferson is a good player. The offense ran through him this season, which is why his numbers were so big. Way too much is made of his numbers.

Frankly, I'd like to see a more balanced offense so when we play a big game the other team doesn't know where it is coming from.

He had 128 catches for 1,800+ yards and eight scores.

They could be a better team if he had 100 catches, 1,400 yards and six scores. In fact, his scores may go up if we spread around the ball more.

I agree

Balance is the key for a great offense

For as much hype has Jerry Rice gets, the 1989 49ers had another great WR John Taylor, a very good TE Brent Jones, and 2 RBs who both could catch 75 balls a year in Craig and Rathman. They could literally run or throw very well out of their base set which made them almost impossible to defend.

The current Eagles have a stud in AJ Brown but when teams double him, Devonta Smith can bust out big plays. Thielen really seems to have slowed down - or is it just me?

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This will be a big year for our young GM

He came in with a lot of fancy words, and talk of callobaration, etc.

This is a win now business. And if your aren't winning, then you better have clear roadmap the fanbase can see to getting better

Oak just did this with Carr, they realize they have no chance with paying a good, not great QB while trying to have. a complete roster good enough to win.

The Wilfs got their "Division Title" and home play-off game, but reality hit hard and fast, that this team was likely more lucky than good.
A lot of us saw it, and warned the most optimistic fans the NFL experts were not wrong about this team. They don't "hate" the Vikings, they just saw a team with a bad defense who had a lot of breaks at the end of games, and were greatly outplaying their metrics.

Now we've got a soon to be 35 year old QB with 1 playoff win in his career. A roster that will likely lose Smith, Cook, Kendricks, Peterson, Thielen, etc.
No idea why will happen with Hunter. Some claim he's still elite, playing out of postion, but he clearly is not the guy who wen thought 2 major surgeries.
He's likely going to get his last big pay day at his age. Can you do it? Do you franchise him? Sign and trade him?

It's not clear we havre any young players to build a defense around. The 2022 class is.a major incomplete with most of the class injured.
We only have 4 picks this draft.
I believe I read with expected cuts the team will be $30 million under the cut. A decent number, but hardly a windfall to back up the brinks truck.

It's time Kwesit/KOC build their team, the Spielman roster just couldn't get it done. They were close, but just fell short.

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

Sad how fast football careers can end....

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

I would spend this offseason building a new defense - even though I am not a huge Cousins fan. Also, there is no excuse for 1 pass for 4 yards for Jefferson.

Other teams with star WRs somehow manage to get them the ball even with the other team focusing on him.

The amazing decline in Thielen perhaps contributed to that

BUT

The defense and the DC are atrocious. Both must go

Jefferson isn't above criticism either. In the biggest games this season he was a no show. Exception being the Bills game.

Jefferson is a good player. The offense ran through him this season, which is why his numbers were so big. Way too much is made of his numbers.

Frankly, I'd like to see a more balanced offense so when we play a big game the other team doesn't know where it is coming from.

He had 128 catches for 1,800+ yards and eight scores.

They could be a better team if he had 100 catches, 1,400 yards and six scores. In fact, his scores may go up if we spread around the ball more.

Add in the fact that we simply can't run the ball. Personally I'm a bit skeptical of KOC as some brilliant offensive mind. I don't recall if any play designs or play calls that wowed me this season. In fact, more boneheaded play calling than anything. Esp the 3rd and one pass back to Cousins from JJ. That was flat out stupid.

Agree entirely. He won a bunch of close games against backup quarterbacks. If he was 9-8 to finish the season (which is what they should have been), nobody would be talking about him being a great offensive mind.

Kliff Kingsbury went 11-6 in 2021. Now he's living in Thailand.

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Sad how fast football careers can end....

But in Minnesota their contracts live on after they are gone! At least on paper.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

This will be a big year for our young GM

He came in with a lot of fancy words, and talk of callobaration, etc.

This is a win now business. And if your aren't winning, then you better have clear roadmap the fanbase can see to getting better

Oak just did this with Carr, they realize they have no chance with paying a good, not great QB while trying to have. a complete roster good enough to win.

The Wilfs got their "Division Title" and home play-off game, but reality hit hard and fast, that this team was likely more lucky than good.
A lot of us saw it, and warned the most optimistic fans the NFL experts were not wrong about this team. They don't "hate" the Vikings, they just saw a team with a bad defense who had a lot of breaks at the end of games, and were greatly outplaying their metrics.

Now we've got a soon to be 35 year old QB with 1 playoff win in his career. A roster that will likely lose Smith, Cook, Kendricks, Peterson, Thielen, etc.
No idea why will happen with Hunter. Some claim he's still elite, playing out of postion, but he clearly is not the guy who wen thought 2 major surgeries.
He's likely going to get his last big pay day at his age. Can you do it? Do you franchise him? Sign and trade him?

It's not clear we havre any young players to build a defense around. The 2022 class is.a major incomplete with most of the class injured.
We only have 4 picks this draft.
I believe I read with expected cuts the team will be $30 million under the cut. A decent number, but hardly a windfall to back up the brinks truck.

It's time Kwesit/KOC build their team, the Spielman roster just couldn't get it done. They were close, but just fell short.

I would argue they weren't close at all. I never bought into the idea that this club was going anywhere. They were a few breaks from being 8-9.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

This will be a big year for our young GM

He came in with a lot of fancy words, and talk of callobaration, etc.

This is a win now business. And if your aren't winning, then you better have clear roadmap the fanbase can see to getting better

Oak just did this with Carr, they realize they have no chance with paying a good, not great QB while trying to have. a complete roster good enough to win.

The Wilfs got their "Division Title" and home play-off game, but reality hit hard and fast, that this team was likely more lucky than good.
A lot of us saw it, and warned the most optimistic fans the NFL experts were not wrong about this team. They don't "hate" the Vikings, they just saw a team with a bad defense who had a lot of breaks at the end of games, and were greatly outplaying their metrics.

Now we've got a soon to be 35 year old QB with 1 playoff win in his career. A roster that will likely lose Smith, Cook, Kendricks, Peterson, Thielen, etc.
No idea why will happen with Hunter. Some claim he's still elite, playing out of postion, but he clearly is not the guy who wen thought 2 major surgeries.
He's likely going to get his last big pay day at his age. Can you do it? Do you franchise him? Sign and trade him?

It's not clear we havre any young players to build a defense around. The 2022 class is.a major incomplete with most of the class injured.
We only have 4 picks this draft.
I believe I read with expected cuts the team will be $30 million under the cut. A decent number, but hardly a windfall to back up the brinks truck.

It's time Kwesit/KOC build their team, the Spielman roster just couldn't get it done. They were close, but just fell short.

I would argue they weren't close at all. I never bought into the idea that this club was going anywhere. They were a few breaks from being 8-9.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

I would spend this offseason building a new defense - even though I am not a huge Cousins fan. Also, there is no excuse for 1 pass for 4 yards for Jefferson.

Other teams with star WRs somehow manage to get them the ball even with the other team focusing on him.

The amazing decline in Thielen perhaps contributed to that

BUT

The defense and the DC are atrocious. Both must go

Jefferson isn't above criticism either. In the biggest games this season he was a no show. Exception being the Bills game.

Jefferson is a good player. The offense ran through him this season, which is why his numbers were so big. Way too much is made of his numbers.

Frankly, I'd like to see a more balanced offense so when we play a big game the other team doesn't know where it is coming from.

He had 128 catches for 1,800+ yards and eight scores.

They could be a better team if he had 100 catches, 1,400 yards and six scores. In fact, his scores may go up if we spread around the ball more.

Add in the fact that we simply can't run the ball. Personally I'm a bit skeptical of KOC as some brilliant offensive mind. I don't recall if any play designs or play calls that wowed me this season. In fact, more boneheaded play calling than anything. Esp the 3rd and one pass back to Cousins from JJ. That was flat out stupid.

Agree entirely. He won a bunch of close games against backup quarterbacks. If he was 9-8 to finish the season (which is what they should have been), nobody would be talking about him being a great offensive mind.

Kliff Kingsbury went 11-6 in 2021. Now he's living in Thailand.

Drafting Kyler Murray may have a lot to do with it...I think he wanted out.

Anyone still on the Tua (3-5 concussions), Kyler (knee), Lamar (knee), Lance (Broken Ankle), etc. train?
That is why I would be out on Fields also...they have to be a passer first, runner second.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

This will be a big year for our young GM

He came in with a lot of fancy words, and talk of callobaration, etc.

This is a win now business. And if your aren't winning, then you better have clear roadmap the fanbase can see to getting better

Oak just did this with Carr, they realize they have no chance with paying a good, not great QB while trying to have. a complete roster good enough to win.

The Wilfs got their "Division Title" and home play-off game, but reality hit hard and fast, that this team was likely more lucky than good.
A lot of us saw it, and warned the most optimistic fans the NFL experts were not wrong about this team. They don't "hate" the Vikings, they just saw a team with a bad defense who had a lot of breaks at the end of games, and were greatly outplaying their metrics.

Now we've got a soon to be 35 year old QB with 1 playoff win in his career. A roster that will likely lose Smith, Cook, Kendricks, Peterson, Thielen, etc.
No idea why will happen with Hunter. Some claim he's still elite, playing out of postion, but he clearly is not the guy who wen thought 2 major surgeries.
He's likely going to get his last big pay day at his age. Can you do it? Do you franchise him? Sign and trade him?

It's not clear we havre any young players to build a defense around. The 2022 class is.a major incomplete with most of the class injured.
We only have 4 picks this draft.
I believe I read with expected cuts the team will be $30 million under the cut. A decent number, but hardly a windfall to back up the brinks truck.

It's time Kwesit/KOC build their team, the Spielman roster just couldn't get it done. They were close, but just fell short.

I would argue they weren't close at all. I never bought into the idea that this club was going anywhere. They were a few breaks from being 8-9.

Sorry, meant the tenure in general. I think they had a short window when the defense was elite, you had Barr/Kendricks/Smith/Hunter/Rhodes all in their prime
Yes, they 2022 team was living on fumes. The Lions outplayed them 7 of 8 quarter. Someone would have to be blind, not to see that Det has a more talented roster at this point.
They thought they were a QB away. Cousins blew it in his first season. Maybe had a chance after they beat NO but downhill from there really.

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Danny Dones has 4 games this year where he passed over 300 yards.

Two of them are against Vikings.

His inevitable mega extension might blow up in their face.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

I would spend this offseason building a new defense - even though I am not a huge Cousins fan. Also, there is no excuse for 1 pass for 4 yards for Jefferson.

Other teams with star WRs somehow manage to get them the ball even with the other team focusing on him.

The amazing decline in Thielen perhaps contributed to that

BUT

The defense and the DC are atrocious. Both must go

Jefferson isn't above criticism either. In the biggest games this season he was a no show. Exception being the Bills game.

Jefferson is a good player. The offense ran through him this season, which is why his numbers were so big. Way too much is made of his numbers.

Frankly, I'd like to see a more balanced offense so when we play a big game the other team doesn't know where it is coming from.

He had 128 catches for 1,800+ yards and eight scores.

They could be a better team if he had 100 catches, 1,400 yards and six scores. In fact, his scores may go up if we spread around the ball more.

Add in the fact that we simply can't run the ball. Personally I'm a bit skeptical of KOC as some brilliant offensive mind. I don't recall if any play designs or play calls that wowed me this season. In fact, more boneheaded play calling than anything. Esp the 3rd and one pass back to Cousins from JJ. That was flat out stupid.

He's not an offensive genius. That's for sure. I like some qualities about him but there seems to be a reason he wasn't calling plays in LA.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: JC2022

I would spend this offseason building a new defense - even though I am not a huge Cousins fan. Also, there is no excuse for 1 pass for 4 yards for Jefferson.

Other teams with star WRs somehow manage to get them the ball even with the other team focusing on him.

The amazing decline in Thielen perhaps contributed to that

BUT

The defense and the DC are atrocious. Both must go

Jefferson isn't above criticism either. In the biggest games this season he was a no show. Exception being the Bills game.

Jefferson is a good player. The offense ran through him this season, which is why his numbers were so big. Way too much is made of his numbers.

Frankly, I'd like to see a more balanced offense so when we play a big game the other team doesn't know where it is coming from.

He had 128 catches for 1,800+ yards and eight scores.

They could be a better team if he had 100 catches, 1,400 yards and six scores. In fact, his scores may go up if we spread around the ball more.

Add in the fact that we simply can't run the ball. Personally I'm a bit skeptical of KOC as some brilliant offensive mind. I don't recall if any play designs or play calls that wowed me this season. In fact, more boneheaded play calling than anything. Esp the 3rd and one pass back to Cousins from JJ. That was flat out stupid.

He's not an offensive genius. That's for sure. I like some qualities about him but there seems to be a reason he wasn't calling plays in LA.

Seems he was the Rams passing game coordinator. McVay called the plays right? And I hope we wasn't involved with the Rams running game because they sucked.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

This will be a big year for our young GM

He came in with a lot of fancy words, and talk of callobaration, etc.

This is a win now business. And if your aren't winning, then you better have clear roadmap the fanbase can see to getting better

Oak just did this with Carr, they realize they have no chance with paying a good, not great QB while trying to have. a complete roster good enough to win.

The Wilfs got their "Division Title" and home play-off game, but reality hit hard and fast, that this team was likely more lucky than good.
A lot of us saw it, and warned the most optimistic fans the NFL experts were not wrong about this team. They don't "hate" the Vikings, they just saw a team with a bad defense who had a lot of breaks at the end of games, and were greatly outplaying their metrics.

Now we've got a soon to be 35 year old QB with 1 playoff win in his career. A roster that will likely lose Smith, Cook, Kendricks, Peterson, Thielen, etc.
No idea why will happen with Hunter. Some claim he's still elite, playing out of postion, but he clearly is not the guy who wen thought 2 major surgeries.
He's likely going to get his last big pay day at his age. Can you do it? Do you franchise him? Sign and trade him?

It's not clear we havre any young players to build a defense around. The 2022 class is.a major incomplete with most of the class injured.
We only have 4 picks this draft.
I believe I read with expected cuts the team will be $30 million under the cut. A decent number, but hardly a windfall to back up the brinks truck.

It's time Kwesit/KOC build their team, the Spielman roster just couldn't get it done. They were close, but just fell short.

I would argue they weren't close at all. I never bought into the idea that this club was going anywhere. They were a few breaks from being 8-9.

Sorry, meant the tenure in general. I think they had a short window when the defense was elite, you had Barr/Kendricks/Smith/Hunter/Rhodes all in their prime
Yes, they 2022 team was living on fumes. The Lions outplayed them 7 of 8 quarter. Someone would have to be blind, not to see that Det has a more talented roster at this point.
They thought they were a QB away. Cousins blew it in his first season. Maybe had a chance after they beat NO but downhill from there really.

Kwesi had 28 million in dead cap this year. New Coach. New Defense. They still went 13-4.

A lot of things went right. They were entertaining and they have building blocks at both OT, TE, #1 WR, #2 WR. Start there.

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A big part of the problem with this roster right now, is you had a GM and HC completely disconnected from each other.

They had not plan. Zimmer was upset they signed Cousins, he didn't like him, he lost Spielman. and their was. not coordination road map after. that.

Other. than Jefferson and Darrisaw, the last few drafts between the 2 were pretty bad,
You can't have your GM and HC basically ignoring each other.

So here we were tying to get one more year out of some of these guys. Was destined to fail.

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If this team would have won, they would have gotten beaten by at least 30 this weekend in San Francisco. Those boys ain't messin around out there right now.

San Francisco 48
Vikings 16

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

If this team would have won, they would have gotten beaten by at least 30 this weekend in San Francisco. Those boys ain't messin around out there right now.