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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

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ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

Defense is unbelievable.

The book is out on Darnold. A good defense can pressure him and give him happy feet. Running game and defense could carry SEA to one playoff victory.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

Defense is unbelievable.

The book is out on Darnold. A good defense can pressure him and give him happy feet. Running game and defense could carry SEA to one playoff victory.

You gotta protect him. Same with Jared Goff, who is averaging $53-million over four years. I don't see the Lions trying to part with Goff.

Like I said, your guys' expectations are unreasonable.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

Defense is unbelievable.

The book is out on Darnold. A good defense can pressure him and give him happy feet. Running game and defense could carry SEA to one playoff victory.

You gotta protect him. Same with Jared Goff, who is averaging $53-million over four years. I don't see the Lions trying to part with Goff.

Like I said, your guys' expectations are unreasonable.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

Defense is unbelievable.

The book is out on Darnold. A good defense can pressure him and give him happy feet. Running game and defense could carry SEA to one playoff victory.

You gotta protect him. Same with Jared Goff, who is averaging $53-million over four years. I don't see the Lions trying to part with Goff.

Like I said, your guys' expectations are unreasonable.

quote:

ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

Defense is unbelievable.

The book is out on Darnold. A good defense can pressure him and give him happy feet. Running game and defense could carry SEA to one playoff victory.

You gotta protect him. Same with Jared Goff, who is averaging $53-million over four years. I don't see the Lions trying to part with Goff.

Like I said, your guys' expectations are unreasonable.

That's BS. He generated most of the sacks yesterday by holding the ball forever.

Seattle has done everything possible to protect him.

He was sacked only 11 times in 11 games before yesterday.

He was sacked twice total the previous 4 games - including 0 times when he shit the bed against the Rams.

Sam is a front runner. Looks all world when everything is clicking. But he reverts to the old "seeing ghosts" version of himself when things aren't perfect.

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

Alec Lewis summed up the Vikings in one sentence.
On Sunday, a young, explosive and disciplined Seattle Seahawks team blanked a Vikings squad that featured none of those characteristics.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Seattle has been a great situation for Sam, but I am sure Brad will agree, Sam likely wouldn't have had the Vikings any better than 6-6 this year, making his price not worthwhile.

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ORIGINAL: marty

As much as I like Marty's idea from 2 years ago, making Brian Flores the HC (there is Bernardo Harris and David Boston), there are questions about veteran QBs beating his bend but eventually break defense, and he doesn't handle people in the great way a guy like KOC can do it, just ask Tua.

What about the Browns DC, Jim Schwartz ? Or is he too old school, too reliant on Myles Garrett, and probably wouldn't elevate the offense to a high level ??

What about bringing back Mike Tomlin for HC ? The same red flags as Schwartz?

Any great, disciplined, OCs going to be available for HC next year ?

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

Defense is unbelievable.

The book is out on Darnold. A good defense can pressure him and give him happy feet. Running game and defense could carry SEA to one playoff victory.

You gotta protect him. Same with Jared Goff, who is averaging $53-million over four years. I don't see the Lions trying to part with Goff.

Like I said, your guys' expectations are unreasonable.

We obviously can't protect any of the QBs we have playing this year. Sam would be 6-6 with this outfit we have. Probably 8-10 lost fumbles.

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ORIGINAL: marty

Seattle has been a great situation for Sam, but I am sure Brad will agree, Sam likely wouldn't have had the Vikings any better than 6-6 this year, making his price not worthwhile.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Adam Thielen has his freedom.

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lars

For anyone who thought this was just a JJM problem and Brosmer would be the salve, need to see more? Hot garbage. That pick 6 was straight out of a HS game.

This is a KOC and KAM problem. Running an offense like you have a 10 year vet out there. KOC is not a developer of young QB. He can put a little polish on an old turd with some weapons around him (KFC, Darnold, etc.) And KAM's draft are shite.

This offense and team has no identity. That goes straight to the top.

And sorry, but Darnold looked the same to me. Sacked how many times? Two fumbles? One lost? Like 150 yards passing? For $100M+? No thanks.

And if the skill guys like JJ wanna pout and cry, catch the ****ing ball.

On one bright note, Turner seems to be getting better each week, IMHO.

9-3

Not sure what you guys have against winning. It's a puzzling phenomenon with you people.

Not every game can be perfect. Your expectations are unreasonable. The guy still has the #7 passer rating and #9 QB rating in the league. His team is 9-3. He's 23-6 (.793) during the regular season since the beginning of last season.

For $33-million, that's a huge bargain.

Defense is unbelievable.

The book is out on Darnold. A good defense can pressure him and give him happy feet. Running game and defense could carry SEA to one playoff victory.

You gotta protect him. Same with Jared Goff, who is averaging $53-million over four years. I don't see the Lions trying to part with Goff.

Like I said, your guys' expectations are unreasonable.

We obviously can't protect any of the QBs we have playing this year. Sam would be 6-6 with this outfit we have. Probably 8-10 lost fumbles.

He had a worse o-line last season

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

And while we are speaking of lines, how about adding some young talent to the D-line too!
I think we all knew going old in the trenches wasn't going to work but we had no choice but to hope for the best....which we didn't get.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: stfrank

And while we are speaking of lines, how about adding some young talent to the D-line too!
I think we all knew going old in the trenches wasn't going to work but we had no choice but to hope for the best....which we didn't get.

We've started to.

Turner has really come on of late.

And then the late round/undrafted guys have been showing.

Jalen Redmond has been a highlight this year and he's played 73% of the defensive snaps.

Levi Drake Rodriguez has looked good at times as well (45%).

Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins has shown some flashes too (20%).

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ORIGINAL: marty

You like your own idea and speak in 3rd person?

Yes, I was being silly, and it seems to sound less like bragging then saying someone is now suggesting MY idea, the idea that was rejected by most people on this board, the idea of making Flore's the HC, which I am now backing off a tad on, as there are some mentionable red flags:

1) His defenses bend, but seem to eventually break
2) Veteran QBs seem to figure out the way to attack it
3) There might be some character questions with him, if you ask Tua
4) How quickly can you find an up and coming OC, one that doesn't only design plays, but is also good at play calling during a game