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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/16/2018 9:09:14 PM

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It's the FOMKERS [Friends of Mike Preifer] that don't get that it has nothing to do with Kluwe, and all to do with very poor performing special teams.

Phil checked the stats of our special teams last year and overall they were above average. We just see the things that go wrong and forget about what goes right.
Today without a doubt our overall special teams effort was pathetic. I find it hard to believe that Carlson missed three out of three FGs because of Priefer. The blocking scheme that led to the blocked punt would be on Priefer.
If Zimmer decides it is time to part with Priefer I would have no issue with that.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/16/2018 9:10:52 PM

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/16/2018 9:37:33 PM

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That was one year, ignores the missed extra points, Blair Walsh project, shaky coverage, and now Carlson today, and punting doesn't have stability. A disturbing pattern, I am sure there is more.

I don't see excellence in the special teams area, and Patterson may have covered up deficiencies, and kept Preifer from getting fired awhile ago.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/16/2018 9:46:36 PM

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FOCKERs was just too funny.

The best I can do, is: WHIMPERS [Whatever Helps Ignore Mike Priefer].

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/16/2018 10:19:47 PM

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That was one year, ignores the missed extra points, Blair Walsh project, shaky coverage, and now Carlson today, and punting doesn't have stability. A disturbing pattern, I am sure there is more.

I don't see excellence in the special teams area, and Patterson may have covered up deficiencies, and kept Preifer from getting fired awhile ago.

Marty go ahead and check our overall performance on special teams over the last 5 years then. No throwing out the KR cat because we had Patterson. Just check the totality of the ST stats and you see we have been at least average as whole.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:44:06 AM

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I want better than average, I want excellence.

I don't want average as a whole, special teams being a weakness IS a hole.

I don't want numbers that are propped up by a freak like Patterson, I want them playing as a unit with consistent excellence, not shakiness and fear of making mistakes.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 7:30:19 AM

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You would think that a roster that has "quality depth" should be good at special teams. I'm not talking about the kickers themselves, but the rest of special teams. On that blocked punt, the blocker went after the outside guy and let the inside guy have a clean shot at the punter. They have to know that if you have two guys you always block the inside guy. They surprised him by bringing the outside guy at the last moment. I bet he doesn't make that mistake again.

I don't blame the Vikings for drafting a kicker. Yesterday's game showed how important a kicker is. They were trying to hit a home run in the fifth round- somebody that could help the team right now. It looks like a swing and a miss, right now.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 9:33:59 AM

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You would think that a roster that has "quality depth" should be good at special teams. I'm not talking about the kickers themselves, but the rest of special teams. On that blocked punt, the blocker went after the outside guy and let the inside guy have a clean shot at the punter. They have to know that if you have two guys you always block the inside guy. They surprised him by bringing the outside guy at the last moment. I bet he doesn't make that mistake again.

I don't blame the Vikings for drafting a kicker. Yesterday's game showed how important a kicker is. They were trying to hit a home run in the fifth round- somebody that could help the team right now. It looks like a swing and a miss, right now.

The problem is Priefer's coverage teams are prone to that mental mistake. The guy yesterday made a whopper and likely won't repeat it, but somebody else will leave his lane or go out of bounds and come back into play.

Kickers in general should be filled by guys who have experience. They tend to fail early before hitting their stride. Drafting Carlson was flushing a 5th round pick down the toilet. I don't think there is anyone who wouldn't take Forbath back in a heart beat.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 9:48:38 AM

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You would think that a roster that has "quality depth" should be good at special teams. I'm not talking about the kickers themselves, but the rest of special teams. On that blocked punt, the blocker went after the outside guy and let the inside guy have a clean shot at the punter. They have to know that if you have two guys you always block the inside guy. They surprised him by bringing the outside guy at the last moment. I bet he doesn't make that mistake again.

I don't blame the Vikings for drafting a kicker. Yesterday's game showed how important a kicker is. They were trying to hit a home run in the fifth round- somebody that could help the team right now. It looks like a swing and a miss, right now.

The problem is Priefer's coverage teams are prone to that mental mistake. The guy yesterday made a whopper and likely won't repeat it, but somebody else will leave his lane or go out of bounds and come back into play.

Kickers in general should be filled by guys who have experience. They tend to fail early before hitting their stride. Drafting Carlson was flushing a 5th round pick down the toilet. I don't think there is anyone who wouldn't take Forbath back in a heart beat.

I think you draft Carlson if you are a team rebuilding. The young kicker can have his ups & downs.

As a true contender, there is no way we should be wet nursing a raw rookie kicker through his growing pains.

I’ll admit, bad move by Spiels unless this guy (Carlson) just came out of the gate smoking.

I’m not sold on Forbath either, but he actually had a very good camp.

However as telling as anything about Priefer is the fact that we’re still auditioning KR’s? WTF? It’s the second game of the year.

Let alone seemingly having a punt blocked, or almost blocked every freaking game since the playoffs.

What in the hell is going on in the Special teams room? Horrific

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 9:53:17 AM

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Priefer is shaky, and should be fired.

That might be a good nickname, Shaky Mikey

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 11:34:42 AM

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I want better than average, I want excellence.

I don't want average as a whole, special teams being a weakness IS a hole.

I don't want numbers that are propped up by a freak like Patterson, I want them playing as a unit with consistent excellence, not shakiness and fear of making mistakes.

Every fan, player, and staff of every team wants excellence. You don't always get what you want. We could replace Priefer and our special teams could go from slightly above average to below average.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get better, but this perception that our special teams have sucked under Priefer is simply flawed perception.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 11:36:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: marty

I want better than average, I want excellence.

I don't want average as a whole, special teams being a weakness IS a hole.

I don't want numbers that are propped up by a freak like Patterson, I want them playing as a unit with consistent excellence, not shakiness and fear of making mistakes.

Every fan, player, and staff of every team wants excellence. You don't always get what you want. We could replace Priefer and our special teams would go from slightly above average to below average.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get better, but this perception that our special teams have sucked under Priefer is simply flawed perception.

Our special teams suck right now. This is a superbowl contending team. We can't afford to have speical teams losing games for us.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 11:39:55 AM

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I want better than average, I want excellence.

I don't want average as a whole, special teams being a weakness IS a hole.

I don't want numbers that are propped up by a freak like Patterson, I want them playing as a unit with consistent excellence, not shakiness and fear of making mistakes.

Every fan, player, and staff of every team wants excellence. You don't always get what you want. We could replace Priefer and our special teams would go from slightly above average to below average.
I'm not saying we shouldn't try to get better, but this perception that our special teams have sucked under Priefer is simply flawed perception.

Our special teams suck right now. This is a superbowl contending team. We can't afford to have speical teams losing games for us.

Extremely small sample size. Yes we sucked on punt blocking and FG kicking yesterday. No question. I wish we had never drafted Carlson and just kept Kai. If Zimmer decides to fire Priefer, it wouldn't hurt my feelings.
However, there is nothing to back up this idea that our special teams have sucked under Priefer.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:11:13 PM

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I tried watching the short cuts at work but my app is failing.

Zim said in his press conf that the center was pulled to the ground (illegal). I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. If true doesn't that excuse the blocked punt for a td if act was successful based on a grossly illegal play?

- - I'd be surprised if Zim isn't fined for his comments regarding officiating. Coaches aren't all of a sudden able to criticize officials in press conferences now days are they?

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:18:50 PM

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I just googled the punt. Zim's full of shit on this one. The guy came around the end, between the guy off the line of scrimmage.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:25:09 PM

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I just googled the punt. Zim's full of shit on this one. The guy came around the end, between the guy off the line of scrimmage.

He wasn't talking about that guy. He was talking about the guy who pulled the C down.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:28:03 PM

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I just googled the punt. Zim's full of shit on this one. The guy came around the end, between the guy off the line of scrimmage.

He wasn't talking about that guy. He was talking about the guy who pulled the C down.

Which from the videos I see had nothing to do with the punt being blocked. Pull him down all you want if it didn't influence the play it means nothing to me or should it to you.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:31:34 PM

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I just googled the punt. Zim's full of shit on this one. The guy came around the end, between the guy off the line of scrimmage.

He wasn't talking about that guy. He was talking about the guy who pulled the C down.

Which from the videos I see had nothing to do with the punt being blocked. Pull him down all you want if it didn't influence the play it means nothing to me or should it to you.

The bottom line is that the punt got blocked because of a mental mistake, not because the center got pulled down. If a flag had been thrown it certainly would covered up the mental mistake, but is was none the less a mental mistake at the worst part of the field to make one in that situation.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:46:33 PM

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I just googled the punt. Zim's full of shit on this one. The guy came around the end, between the guy off the line of scrimmage.

He wasn't talking about that guy. He was talking about the guy who pulled the C down.

Which from the videos I see had nothing to do with the punt being blocked. Pull him down all you want if it didn't influence the play it means nothing to me or should it to you.

The bottom line is that the punt got blocked because of a mental mistake, not because the center got pulled down. If a flag had been thrown it certainly would covered up the mental mistake, but is was none the less a mental mistake at the worst part of the field to make one in that situation.

What Zim is talking about is that a penalty should have been called and that play would've been negated.

You guys are right about the mental mistake though.

Zim isn't full of shit. He knows his shit on this part. And the officials blew that shit.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 12:46:54 PM

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I just googled the punt. Zim's full of shit on this one. The guy came around the end, between the guy off the line of scrimmage.

He wasn't talking about that guy. He was talking about the guy who pulled the C down.

Which from the videos I see had nothing to do with the punt being blocked. Pull him down all you want if it didn't influence the play it means nothing to me or should it to you.

The bottom line is that the punt got blocked because of a mental mistake, not because the center got pulled down. If a flag had been thrown it certainly would covered up the mental mistake, but is was none the less a mental mistake at the worst part of the field to make one in that situation.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 1:34:05 PM

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I'm still baffled why Sherels fair caught the first two punts with 20+ yards of open space around him, the 1st one being inside the 10. I blame him for the TD (not the block) as much as anyone on the punt team.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 5:09:07 PM

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I just googled the punt. Zim's full of shit on this one. The guy came around the end, between the guy off the line of scrimmage.

He wasn't talking about that guy. He was talking about the guy who pulled the C down.

Which from the videos I see had nothing to do with the punt being blocked. Pull him down all you want if it didn't influence the play it means nothing to me or should it to you.

I was just clarifying what Zimmer had to say. He was saying a penalty should have been called.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 8:56:09 PM

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I'm still baffled why Sherels fair caught the first two punts with 20+ yards of open space around him, the 1st one being inside the 10. I blame him for the TD (not the block) as much as anyone on the punt team.

And Hughes was returning punts later.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 9/17/2018 9:00:55 PM

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I'm still baffled why Sherels fair caught the first two punts with 20+ yards of open space around him, the 1st one being inside the 10. I blame him for the TD (not the block) as much as anyone on the punt team.

And Hughes was returning punts later.

Sherels suffered a chest injury and wasn't available after that.

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RE: Mike Priefer must GO - 11/4/2018 11:39:30 PM

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The Vikings almost had a punt blocked, and Detroits' successful fake punt almost costed the Vikings the game. Thankfully Tate went to the Eagles, and thankfully the D put down the clamps.

And thankfully the Vikings have players playing well on special teams that can keep the weakness of Richard Solomon [my nickname for Mike Prayfor] at bay.

Let's hope Sherels, Wile and Bailey can all stay healthy, so the Vikes' 2nd greatest weakness to Waynes isn't exposed.

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